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tonegawa · 11-08-2010, 04:47 AM

Hi everyone,

I'm building my own webcam site with a friend of mine.
We have a very good domain (like whore.com, but with the "whore" word in our language).

I need to know how to set up the payment processing.

Does the user prepay X amount of minutes and then he uses them? Or will he be charged after the private webcam session, depending how much time he spent on it?
Do you suggest to use ccbill or something else?
Is it possible to automate the split of the payment between the site and the girl? What I mean is that if we have an agreement with the girl where she gets X% and the site gets (100-X)%, can the payment processor automatically split the payment among us? Or does the user just pay the site and then we have to manually process the payment to the girl?

thanks for your help

cardinalvices · 11-08-2010, 06:55 AM

How about I simply set you up with a big cam site and you'll have like at least 300+ live models available 24 hours a day. Your domain, your design, your biller, and yes, your affiliate program too. Hit me up, there is no need to do a separate site, you'll never be able to have that many models online anyway.

Kiopa_Matt · 11-08-2010, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonegawa

Does the user prepay X amount of minutes and then he uses them? Or will he be charged after the private webcam session, depending how much time he spent on it?

They pay upfront. Give them X minutes free, then throw up an ad saying they need to pay if they want to continue. Obviously, don't let them pay after their session. That's like me walking into Walmart, grabbing a TV, and saying, "Ok, I'll pay after I watch my favorite show!".

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Originally Posted by tonegawa

Do you suggest to use ccbill or something else?

Something else. Get your own merchant account.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonegawa

Is it possible to automate the split of the payment between the site and the girl? What I mean is that if we have an agreement with the girl where she gets X% and the site gets (100-X)%, can the payment processor automatically split the payment among us? Or does the user just pay the site and then we have to manually process the payment to the girl?

You pay the girl. Get a software developer to help you out with that.

tonegawa · 11-08-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RDFrame

They pay upfront. Give them X minutes free, then throw up an ad saying they need to pay if they want to continue. Obviously, don't let them pay after their session. That's like me walking into Walmart, grabbing a TV, and saying, "Ok, I'll pay after I watch my favorite show!".

ok

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Originally Posted by RDFrame

Something else. Get your own merchant account.

I prefer not to manage money transactions directly. I'd like to use a third party website like ccbill.

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Originally Posted by RDFrame

You pay the girl. Get a software developer to help you out with that.

I am the software developer.
I wanted to avoid the hassle of manually transferring the money to the girl.
So, is it not possible to automatize the process?

thanks for the reply

tonegawa · 11-08-2010, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardinalvices

How about I simply set you up with a big cam site and you'll have like at least 300+ live models available 24 hours a day. Your domain, your design, your biller, and yes, your affiliate program too. Hit me up, there is no need to do a separate site, you'll never be able to have that many models online anyway.

We are making a site targeted to our country, not a generic one.

We are not interested.

alias · 11-08-2010, 10:38 AM

You definitely need the surfer to pay first, be cautious of fraud too [female buyers etc].

tonegawa · 11-08-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

You definitely need the surfer to pay first, be cautious of fraud too [female buyers etc].

What should I do? Prohibit female buyers from buying? And what else?

Flynn · 11-12-2010, 03:22 AM

Hey buddy, How is your project going? If you need consulting I'd be happy to help. You can read my history in my profile.

Regarding female buyers.. I'd set up a hot list with every female name there is. When someone signs up with a female name automatically fail them and blacklist that credit card. I'd say 95% of female signups end up a chargeback. Some kid stole his moms credit card etc etc.
You can get hit by models, members and webmasters. there are lots of card schemes these guys have and many times they are all in on it together.

There are several places you can get hit with fraud. Just set up the proper tools and you will catch a majority of it. You also need to keep an eye on your chat monitoring tools and watch your data.
Hit me up if you want more help.

Official Babe · 11-12-2010, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cardinalvices

How about I simply set you up with a big cam site and you'll have like at least 300+ live models available 24 hours a day. Your domain, your design, your biller, and yes, your affiliate program too. Hit me up, there is no need to do a separate site, you'll never be able to have that many models online anyway.

i might be interested in this. can you hit me up or post your ICQ here.

cardinalvices · 11-12-2010, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Official Babe

i might be interested in this. can you hit me up or post your ICQ here.

ICQ: 435412482
Tonegawa, what if I limit the cams on this site to your specific country only?

Flynn · 11-12-2010, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by alias

You definitely need the surfer to pay first, be cautious of fraud too [female buyers etc].

Yes. I personally like a system that collects CC up front rather than free signup systems. $1.00 join is fine. If you do free you will end up paying a processing charge so a buck is fine.

Collecting CC up front builds a clean database full of potential spending members. Your models will have more incentive to pay attention to all members because the potential to convert them is much greater.
I have lots of tricks to optimize member spending.

Flynn · 11-12-2010, 08:11 AM

Does the user prepay X amount of minutes and then he uses them? Or will he be charged after the private webcam session, depending how much time he spent on it?

>Set up a wallet type system. The member will purchase blocks of time for this example we will say $20, $50, $80, $100. Model will charge lets say $1.99 a minute. She will earn 35%. When private chat session ends, the system will settle the show. Your software will deduct the amount of time he was in private chat and 35% will be added to the models stats. What is left over will cover webmaster payment, processing fees. The rest is yours.

Do you suggest to use ccbill or something else?
>It?s OK for starters. I?d go with someone else though.
Is it possible to automate the split of the payment between the site and the girl? What I mean is that if we have an agreement with the girl where she gets X% and the site gets (100-X)%, can the payment processor automatically split the payment among us? Or does the user just pay the site and then we have to manually process the payment to the girl?
>Read above.
My advise I suggest you start off doing a block system. It has less risk potential, and it?s a good way to learn the ropes. Down the road when you are ready to handle more risky/complex billing you can do PPM. I?d suggest a hybrid type system. But this is putting the cart in front of the horse.
I?ve got lots of advise. You can contact me on messenger if you?d like to discuss my services.
Best!
Errol

seoguyzzz · 11-12-2010, 08:36 AM

well ccbill is good.
u can have membership plans like gold members get xx mints to chat and silver get yy mints to chat.
ohh yes if u want to use ccbill u can let me do it for u for very reasonable price.

seoguyzzz · 11-12-2010, 08:57 AM

well ccbill is good.
u can have membership plans like gold members get xx mints to chat and silver get yy mints to chat.
ohh yes if u want to use ccbill u can let me do it for u for very reasonable price.

Flynn · 11-12-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by seoguyzzz

well ccbill is good.
u can have membership plans like gold members get xx mints to chat and silver get yy mints to chat.
ohh yes if u want to use ccbill u can let me do it for u for very reasonable price.

Just keep it simple. No need to have gold or silver memberships. Can you do a $1 join, then inside allow member to purchase different amounts? Go $20, $40, $80, $100. Once member loads up on blocks he can have fun. If member fails on transaction, say $20 fails try to bill $10 if that fails lock the card for 24 hours so he doesn't get ding on fail transaction fees.
Ok I gotta stop giving up knowledge

will76 · 11-12-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RDFrame

They pay upfront. Give them X minutes free, then throw up an ad saying they need to pay if they want to continue. Obviously, don't let them pay after their session. That's like me walking into Walmart, grabbing a TV, and saying, "Ok, I'll pay after I watch my favorite show!"..

You do realize that is how two of the biggest cam sites do it, real pay per minute, not prepaid credits. I've always preferred real ppm vs credits, I want the person to go in have a good time and get carried away spending. Not have to go make a big purchase every step of the way reminding him how much money he is spending. Credits only help spenders have more discipline and self control. PPM is telling them go do what ever they want to do and we will figure out the costs later and charge you.

Your analogy sucks. Walmart would have the person's credit card and would charge them after they watched that tv show.

will76 · 11-12-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Flynn

Just keep it simple. No need to have gold or silver memberships. Can you do a $1 join, then inside allow member to purchase different amounts? Go $20, $40, $80, $100. Once member loads up on blocks he can have fun. If member fails on transaction, say $20 fails try to bill $10 if that fails lock the card for 24 hours so he doesn't get ding on fail transaction fees.
Ok I gotta stop giving up knowledge

Most people aren't listening on here anyway, so its ok to give out a lot of info

If you looking for cam help, Errol is a good person to help you.

will76 · 11-12-2010, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flynn

Just keep it simple. No need to have gold or silver memberships. Can you do a $1 join, then inside allow member to purchase different amounts? Go $20, $40, $80, $100. Once member loads up on blocks he can have fun. If member fails on transaction, say $20 fails try to bill $10 if that fails lock the card for 24 hours so he doesn't get ding on fail transaction fees.
Ok I gotta stop giving up knowledge

check out this thread I made about 6 months ago. Look at all of the positive responses I received and people wanting help.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/962664-cam-site-owners-cam-site-lot.html

Flynn · 11-12-2010, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

Most people aren't listening on here anyway, so its ok to give out a lot of info

If you looking for cam help, Errol is a good person to help you.

Hey man!! Dude, will76 is just as good!!

Flynn · 11-12-2010, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

check out this thread I made about 6 months ago. Look at all of the positive responses I received and people wanting help.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/962664-cam-site-owners-cam-site-lot.html

I'll def read this as soon as I'm done wrapping up some work. If you wrote it I'm sure it's a wealth of information.

ttys

2MuchMark · 11-12-2010, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonegawa

Hi everyone,

I'm building my own webcam site with a friend of mine.
We have a very good domain (like whore.com, but with the "whore" word in our language).

I need to know how to set up the payment processing.

Does the user prepay X amount of minutes and then he uses them? Or will he be charged after the private webcam session, depending how much time he spent on it?
Do you suggest to use ccbill or something else?
Is it possible to automate the split of the payment between the site and the girl? What I mean is that if we have an agreement with the girl where she gets X% and the site gets (100-X)%, can the payment processor automatically split the payment among us? Or does the user just pay the site and then we have to manually process the payment to the girl?

thanks for your help

You want this:

http://www.2Much.net

Agent 488 · 11-12-2010, 06:15 PM

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Flynn · 11-12-2010, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

You do realize that is how two of the biggest cam sites do it, real pay per minute, not prepaid credits. I've always preferred real ppm vs credits, I want the person to go in have a good time and get carried away spending. Not have to go make a big purchase every step of the way reminding him how much money he is spending. Credits only help spenders have more discipline and self control. PPM is telling them go do what ever they want to do and we will figure out the costs later and charge you.

Your analogy sucks. Walmart would have the person's credit card and would charge them after they watched that tv show.

Yeah, but this guy will get in over his head with that. Like we were talking the other night most people have no idea what their getting into when they want their own cam site and likely fail miserably. I'd tell this dude to just go with something like ccbill or dhd and let them handle all the fraud scrubbing on their side and just sell blocks.

I don't think most people know to do a $2 auth on a card so it submits the user's data to the bank so you can process additional transactions at a later date. Why is this done? You do this cause you can't store CVV because of PCI restrictions and this way the CVV is registered at the bank level and you dont need to send it on recurring transctions. The $2 auth expires after 3-7 days depending on the customers bank. This makes the signup essentially free while also validating the card is correct.

Also these dudes will probably get tons of cb's before they even know what to do about it. Kids, if you do true ppm make sure you put a limit on what can be purchased so you don't get raped 3 months later.
My suggestion is do blocks until you are uber pimpin. :D

will76 · 11-12-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Flynn

Yeah, but this guy will get in over his head with that. Like we were talking the other night most people have no idea what their getting into when they want their own cam site and likely fail miserably. I'd tell this dude to just go with something like ccbill or dhd and let them handle all the fraud scrubbing on their side and just sell blocks.

I don't think most people know to do a $2 auth on a card so it submits the user's data to the bank so you can process additional transactions at a later date. Why is this done? You do this cause you can't store CVV because of PCI restrictions and this way the CVV is registered at the bank level and you dont need to send it on recurring transctions. The $2 auth expires after 3-7 days depending on the customers bank. This makes the signup essentially free while also validating the card is correct.

My suggestion is do blocks. :D

oh no doubt for this guy, doing real ppm is not easy and has lots of risks but I think it does better over all then traditional "cam credits". My comments were to the guy making it sound like the concept of ppm was bad. There is also a hybrid you could do using credits in a way that it totally apprears like ppm without the negative aspects of it.

In all honestly, someone like this guy will fail 19 out of 20 times way before even coming close to launching the site muchless will they be succesful, and that is being nice. I've seen it so many times, people have no idea what they are getting into, don't have the resources to pull it off.

11-08-2010, 04:47 AM	#1
tonegawa Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 20	help with webcam site payment model Hi everyone, I'm building my own webcam site with a friend of mine. We have a very good domain (like whore.com, but with the "whore" word in our language). I need to know how to set up the payment processing. Does the user prepay X amount of minutes and then he uses them? Or will he be charged after the private webcam session, depending how much time he spent on it? Do you suggest to use ccbill or something else? Is it possible to automate the split of the payment between the site and the girl? What I mean is that if we have an agreement with the girl where she gets X% and the site gets (100-X)%, can the payment processor automatically split the payment among us? Or does the user just pay the site and then we have to manually process the payment to the girl? thanks for your help

11-08-2010, 06:55 AM	#2
cardinalvices Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,084	How about I simply set you up with a big cam site and you'll have like at least 300+ live models available 24 hours a day. Your domain, your design, your biller, and yes, your affiliate program too. Hit me up, there is no need to do a separate site, you'll never be able to have that many models online anyway. __________________ Cardinal Vices Studio - your one stop shop for webdesign! Paysites \| Consulting \| Tube sites \| TGPs \| Galleries/Banner ads \| Flash peel ads Start your own cam site - Get Live Cam Site Solution Last edited by cardinalvices; 11-08-2010 at 06:56 AM..

11-08-2010, 10:38 AM	#6
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11-12-2010, 03:22 AM	#8
Flynn pr0's goat screwed me Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,083	Hey buddy, How is your project going? If you need consulting I'd be happy to help. You can read my history in my profile. Regarding female buyers.. I'd set up a hot list with every female name there is. When someone signs up with a female name automatically fail them and blacklist that credit card. I'd say 95% of female signups end up a chargeback. Some kid stole his moms credit card etc etc. You can get hit by models, members and webmasters. there are lots of card schemes these guys have and many times they are all in on it together. There are several places you can get hit with fraud. Just set up the proper tools and you will catch a majority of it. You also need to keep an eye on your chat monitoring tools and watch your data. Hit me up if you want more help. __________________ blah blah blah

11-12-2010, 08:11 AM	#12
Flynn pr0's goat screwed me Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,083	Does the user prepay X amount of minutes and then he uses them? Or will he be charged after the private webcam session, depending how much time he spent on it? >Set up a wallet type system. The member will purchase blocks of time for this example we will say $20, $50, $80, $100. Model will charge lets say $1.99 a minute. She will earn 35%. When private chat session ends, the system will settle the show. Your software will deduct the amount of time he was in private chat and 35% will be added to the models stats. What is left over will cover webmaster payment, processing fees. The rest is yours. Do you suggest to use ccbill or something else? >It?s OK for starters. I?d go with someone else though. Is it possible to automate the split of the payment between the site and the girl? What I mean is that if we have an agreement with the girl where she gets X% and the site gets (100-X)%, can the payment processor automatically split the payment among us? Or does the user just pay the site and then we have to manually process the payment to the girl? >Read above. My advise I suggest you start off doing a block system. It has less risk potential, and it?s a good way to learn the ropes. Down the road when you are ready to handle more risky/complex billing you can do PPM. I?d suggest a hybrid type system. But this is putting the cart in front of the horse. I?ve got lots of advise. You can contact me on messenger if you?d like to discuss my services. Best! Errol __________________ blah blah blah

11-12-2010, 08:36 AM	#13
seoguyzzz Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 997	well ccbill is good. u can have membership plans like gold members get xx mints to chat and silver get yy mints to chat. ohh yes if u want to use ccbill u can let me do it for u for very reasonable price. __________________ icq:- 563619491 article submissions + directory submissions

11-12-2010, 08:57 AM	#14
seoguyzzz Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 997	well ccbill is good. u can have membership plans like gold members get xx mints to chat and silver get yy mints to chat. ohh yes if u want to use ccbill u can let me do it for u for very reasonable price. __________________ icq:- 563619491 article submissions + directory submissions

11-12-2010, 06:15 PM	#22
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	talk to the guy from camgirls.com he'll get you on the right path to riches. good luck.