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D'oh. Your response is evidence of why you don't understand how to turn a buck in 2010. You think middle aged men in the femdom niche with money sit in front of their screen and cam jerking off to each other? You sir have a fairly large femdom network and yet you don't understand what's embedded in the word femdom. Who do you think is on the other end cross selling and upselling all they can? It's a social network, social networks include commercial players in 2010.

Because you are not running any social sites. You run old school cookie cutter sites with large amounts of old rotated content. Your retention is awful.

That's like saying people won't pay for food.

Porn is a major part of human life. If there was no free porn available, everyone would be paying for it.

I was so damn tired this morning I skipped the whole "men don't want to jerk off with other men on cam" stuff. Thank you.

wow we agree, for once. I should play the lottery today.

Dead on. We've tried all of the above too with exactly the same results.

Again, nobody is saying otherwise you thick fuck. Read, read again.

I've tried all sorts of things, the members really didn't give a shit. I've tried building "communities" and it just didn't pay off. I've even tried having members direct the shoots so I could cater to THEIR fantasy. I've even offered trips to Thailand where they can come and fuck the girls. Almost all just want to beat off. Nothing more. You can't get much more interactive than blowing your load inside of the models, so if you have some magic tool that is better than that, I'm all eyes and ears. Nothing I have done has helped retain them, other than to keep giving them relevant updates.

You guys all have cocks I assume. When you rub one off, what do you think about? Whatever that is, there is your answer. For me, it has EVERYTHING to do with finding a video or photo that will help me play out the fantasy in my head at the moment. That's it. That simple.

As addressed earlier, it's not so easy to add social aspects to a standard site. First you have to get it there, then you have to market it as such. There is some overlap obviously but you are going after a completely different customer for the most part.

I tried making a few social sites. It didn't help my bottom line. Could be the niche, but I just don't see porn as being a social system. Freeloading, looking at pic profiles, yes! But something that makes money, I couldn't do it. Kudos to all of you who can.

It's an awful magic tool if you are basically selling the rights to view video clips online. It's sex tourism and probably not what your demographic is looking for.

However, if you can cater to a broad spectrum of ppl through a diverse site the link between the net and the real world do work, but probably not for all niches. Just be careful not to be on the wrong side of the law.

It's not the cost of production that binds us to the present day system. It's the cost of promoting a site. Until that's altered nothing will change. Tubes get millions of hits with no or little cost of promotion. That's the only reason they can afford to give porn away for free.

If too many move to the free model with the profit in advertising, the cost of promotion will sink many.

Start with the easy, vids and pics, but make it clear from the start that it is a social site. Then broaden out with social and interactive tools. Slowly you will get the ppl who likes this stuff to use it. Voila, you got activity you can monetize.

Which shows how the "Lock Down"solution won't work. 90% of the content on the Adult Internet isn't worth locking down.

This is where locking it down works. It won't turn the clock back to 2005 but it will save some.

Good luck getting affiliates to send traffic to a site that bills 99 cents a scene.

Most people know in spades what their affiliates need and churned out crap that only worked when the consumer HAD to buy. Few sites really understand customers needs or porn.

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The road ahead is rocky and for many will end soon. The irony is while most on the Adult Internet chuckled that free porn was hurting mainstream porn industries. They now are losing their jobs to free porn.

Piracy isn't the problem. Eliminating it will still leave the gate open for people to put up free legit movies, or do you think Manwin will give up and go away? The problem is the low cost of hosting, the high cost of promotion and the lack of innovation, imagination and skills of those who produce the product. Most people pay as little as possible for content and the result is boring porn that's cloned on site after site.

OK, I'm not clear on one thing. What is it that the tubes are doing to lower their promotion costs?

This is the easiest part of the equation, period.