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I think one day the porn industry will realize, "You know what, porn is free, wtf are we doing spending money on producing this shit." At that time, content producers and studios will gradually begin to disappear. I mean virtually go extinct. One day the porn industry won't even be a billion dollar a year industry (maybe not even half that.) And with all that being said, it won't even matter to surfers because there is already enough free porn on the internet to last them a lifetime.

"Originally Posted by stocktrader23"


You keep using this argument and it's getting stupid. iTunes didn't stop piracy, nothing will. What it did is allow people that are not paying $15 a fucking CD to download shit for $0.99 and made it fairly easy. This has resulted in billions of dollars in sales, a large chunk of which they never would have gotten by not having cheap access points.

You can get mad and reminisce but the paysites people are slinging are not worth the fucking price being charged. Not to me and not to 99.9% of surfers.

Adapt or die, we can't even get off the POS fucking ICQ."

No shit!

http://www.videosz.com/ - Alexa Traffic Rank 1,427

Most paysites are like a handful of these DVD's. Instead of paying for that I can get 8,000 and growing of them for the same $29.95 per month. I can watch it or download it without trouble. Looks like it's popular, wonder why that is?

pricing *wasn't* the issue in the past. People didn't mind paying for it before because they had no choice but to pay for it or they couldn't see it. It is simple supply and demand. The demand was high but the supply (free) was virtually non existent. Now the demand is still high but the supply (free) is 10x higher.

now that money is tighter for a lot of customers and your entire member's area is free blasted across the net... pricing is now an issue. It's the issue of why pay to join this site to see her videos when i can go to this tube site or torrent and see them for free. People have options now free or pay. Before they never had options. Their only options before was a couple 30 second soft core clips and a hand full of pictures for free or an entire member's area with 1000's of hour long hardcore videos for $30 a month. They had no choice but to pay to see the good stuff and lots of it.

You really can't compare music theft to porn theft. People can't steal concert tickets, they not stealing the dvd jacket and art work, the merchandise the band's name on it etc. Porn is a lot different. The member loses very little if any "experience" watching the video clip in your member's area or on a tube site. You buy a CD for $20 and you own it for life and can listen to it as many times as you want opposed to paying $30 to see 98% of the porn your site offers at one time and then paying $30 every month just to get 1% - 2% more in updates.

The laws wont change anytime for porn, maybe (maybe) for music but not for porn. The people who could change the laws don't care about porn and the people getting it for free certainly aren't going to be pushing for it.


maybe 10 - 15 - 20 years from now. How many people will be able to hang on that long as sales continue to drop each year ?

There is so much quality porn (videos) out there for free right now if someone started watching it 24/7 it would take them 50 years to watch it all if not longer.

Would that be the same members that are rapidly abandoning you? Also the same members with twenty to thirty percent retention?

I run a social femdom site with over 15k more or less active members. The site provides traditional amateur photo and video content in addition to modern interactive tools like member to member videochat and capture. Rest assured, when those tools for some reason fails all hell breaks loose for me.

Btw, I am no interactivity prophet but I do recognize demand when I see it. The only advice I can give is to not add social elements to what is not a social site. Figure it out.

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one clip from $3.95 to at least $20.99 for only one at a time.

Yep. I and most others would pay $3.95 for a single clip before we would pay $30 for a membership to 100 of those clips. Since you brought it up, micro payments are one area that would see a boom by lowering the price. For an extra 2 cents in bandwidth you could sell to more customers for less money and end up with more profit, IF it were done correctly.

Actually I just tried that, worked on it today as a matter of fact. Tons of bargain basement content and tools, good micropayment processor with wide and diverse coverage = bumped to the top of my pipeline

Good luck. A few other industries have led the way showing us that this can be done. I hope it works out brilliantly for you.

OK let us know what's your version of the interaction that works and makes a difference for the bottomline.

Nothing, you should just put up another cookie cutter.

http://www.ferrocash.com/sites.shtml

Just thinking out loud here.

On the one hand you have people who will not pay for porn no matter how cheap it is. So no use adapting to fit their needs.

On the other hand, you have people growing up being educated that 'porn is free'. We could nip some of that in the bud. And that's where going against piracy comes in.

But then you get the attitude that all porn webmasters are either scum who don't deserve their money, or are selling crap you can get for free. And those attitudes tend to prevail in both groups.

People may say it's the way surfers have been ripped off by some porn companies, but it happens in mainstream too, but the whole mainstream industry doesn't get a bad name as a result.
No, I think the prevailing attitude is that we are scum and no one will help us but ourselves.

Then you get the price lowering argument. But if you are selling crap and people realize it's crap, there's no point in lowering the price when it's already out there on tubes or obtainable via rapidshare and co.

So one answer here is to produce good quality content. But what's the point if it gets downloaded and put on rapidshare?
And even if you sell memberships for a lower 'value' price, it can still be obtained for free.

I don't think we can apply on a broad scale the same thinking that iTunes applied to their model either, unless someone comes up with the idea of an application similar to iTunes.

Buy an iPod and you have to download iTunes to transfer your own CDs as well as download new music. OK, you can find ways around the system, but basically, if you want a piece of music quick and it's cheap, then you probably go to iTunes rather than search for the same music on rapidshare, because you have to get around the system before you can use the download on your iPod.

But would porn industry leaders want to get together to make an application like this? Especially when most of their movies are out there for free already. Would there be any point?

Perhaps selling tangible goods alongside porn is the answer.
Things like showing ads for HD TVs alongside the HD video you are showing on your website. That's as long as the video really is HD. Many are not.

Then Nautilus makes a good point, despite being shouted down. There are still many people who actually want to buy porn, not join interactivity web 2.0 type sites, or simply watch cams.
And yes, I know there's more to interactivity than this, but arguing against his ideas on that and missing his other points is not doing his comments justice.
I will say that the porn sites that do best for me are those who have an active member's area, with forums and member requests actually being answered. That's the sort of interactivity those porn buyers want.
Perhaps we should all be emphasising this a bit more?

As I said. Just thinking out loud and trying to 'adapt or die' myself .

can i get any compensation for my time and ideas? serious question.

or am I just suppose to lay it all out here for gfy rep and "i told you so". Offer me something, and keep the information strictly between us if you decide to use it. If you don't think there is any value, keep your money. Hell you don't even have to pay me up front. If you don't see the value in it and you really don't use it then I wouldn't expect you to pay for it.

To do it right I would need an hour or so of your time so I could understand what your current philosophy is, long term planning, completely understand your current business model and how your sites are setup.
You might not want to make the changes I suggest. It will take, commitment and will cost you some money. Some people are already in the going out of business mode, where they just cut costs down to a bare minimum don't add any new content and live off of those rebills as long as they can. For someone like that obviously they not going to want to make any of the changes I would suggest. The person would have to be committed and want to do what it takes to turn their business around.

I would spend some time going through your sites. I would have a bunch of question for you to see if you are willing to make certain changes and if you have the resources to do it. It's not as simple as "go do x,y,z... this will work for everyone". I would be spending quit a few hours on an initial report for you. However the general logic is pretty much the same just applied differently to different sites based on the nature of the sites and what they are capable of doing.

its up to you or anyone else for that matter if they want to take a shot and get another perspective. Honestly, though if you banking on your only option to survive on fighting content theft and winning, i am sorry to say the chances of that happening are very very slim. I'd be exploring other options to try to get sales up instead.

I have A/B tested my sites TO DEATH over the past 6 months. With prices as low as $9.99 and as high as $39.99, and everything in the middle. Wanna know what overwhelmingly made the most sales and what price point retains the most? The winner is.... $29.99

A cheap price has very little to do with it. I have 6 months of data and 1000s of sales to back this up. A consumer is willing to pay for something he WANTS. Thus the trick, giving them what THEY WANT. If you can do that, you don't have to whore out your product.

I've tried making the sites interactive. It failed. Most members do not leave comments. Most do not want to talk to each other. Most do not want to be interactive. Most all of them just want to beat off and go about their day, and if you have what they want, they come back to beat off again and again. If they want friends, they will login to Facebook, not a porn site.

Porn is not rocket science. Piracy, saturation and credit issues are the main issues hurting this business. If you can deliver what your customers want, price has nothing to do with it.

you right not everyone wants interaction or (participation) they just want to log in watch the videos get off and go. Not a lot of people fit into this category but they are out there. Now if you added interaction to your site and I'm not just talking about live cams.... couldn't that same person who only wants to watch videos go still log in watch videos and go. Adding interaction to your site isn't going to cause you to lose anyone. It's not like you making the "loner" type guy walk through a crowed room where everyone tries to talk to him, its a porn site. He goes to the videos section instead of participating in the new stuff you added to the site.

I think there is a little rocket science to it, at least you need to have some these days. 10 years ago, you could have had 8th grade science and made millions.

Interaction isn't leaving comments ;) on videos. It isn't even web2.0. And you are right, members "typically" don't want to interact with *each other*or be friends with each other. You really don't know if they would like interaction or not because you haven''t added it yet.

I am convinced now that you guys have no clue what interaction is, or at least in the sense that I am using it. Maybe " interaction and participation" is a better phrase.