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And to all of you interactivity prophets who think interactivity will save us, have you ever tried to read support e-mails at a real porn pay site? Because if you did you'd know that 99% of members care about PORN, not some interactivity they do not need and do not care about. PORN, meaning pre-made photos and videos, not live shows etc. They want more of this girl or more of that girl, to do this or to do that - that's what real members are asking for.

Sure having some interactivity would never hurt, but it's not going to change much either. If your entire member area is ripped and available for free to download from pornbb or empornium, having a fancy-wancy interactive website is not going to bring your lost sales back.

PORN is the main attraction for surfers, not live cams not interaction whatever. Sure some of them love live cams, but not the whole lot. If you think that is not so try making an free site with lots of intercation and zero free porn, and a site with lots of free porn and zero interaction, and then see what happens, which one of the two surfers will start flocking to. No need to waste your time though because we all know the answer.

Fighting piracy is the only way to bring our lost sales back, everything else is a waste of time and resources.

what a fucking joke - porn consumers as well as music consumers NEVER EVER and NOT NOW either had a problem with the price of music and porn sites. No more than any of us complain about the price of anything. I bought vinyl, cassettes and CD's I liked from 8.99 to 16.99 and didn't sit there feeling like the music industry screwed me over. Sometimes I'd buy a CD and yeah, two songs were good and the rest shitty - I blamed the band not the record company

The pricing issue is a NON ISSUE - it's an EXCUSE, A JUSTIFICATION, A LIE that thieves and brokeass losers use to take what isn't theirs.

Lower pricing isn't the solution to anything- ask the programs who tried selling porn memberships for 9.95 - Lensman and PlatinumBucks- how that worked out for them.

There is ONE problem that is destroying the paysite industry and that's PIRACY. And the law which was supposed to protect copyright owners is so fucked up that it does the complete opposite - it makes stealing content profitable and bulletproof liability wise.

Piracy needs to be fought. I'm surprised people actually think it is produced by thousands for free!
A person might make a utube video for free. To entertain themselves or try to impress their friends. Most have little thought or resources going into their production and their poor quality reflects that.
How many utube videos are done where they make hundreds of them and have tens of thousands of dollars into their production with no chance of revenue?
Costs nothing to try to sing on your cell phone camera and post it.
I need models to travel and work for free, so I can produce for free like some people think it is done. Any designers want to work for free? I need one.
Free promotion please, I could use that also. Free hosting and bandwith porfavor.
I'm still surprised the pirate sites and tubes can simply ignore 2257 along with the copyright stuff. I think that might be the angle to get some of the big server and tube sites offline. That would eliminate 90% of the problem, which would be probably enough to restore some balance.

and what Nautilus said- BANG FUCKING ON. This INTERACTIVITY bullshit is so overrated it's hysterical how out of touch some of you are. 90% of porn surfers couldn't give a shit about interacting with anybody - not a naked amateur, not a pornstar or a fellow porn surfer. they want to view/download porn and spank it.

I know solo girl sites - I had a VERY successful solo girl site WITHOUT ANY INTERACTIVITY WHATSOEVER - that site REBILLS better than 99% of solo girl sites with interactivity. Any teen solo girl site owner who wants to post their rebills up against mine and is willing to put 1K up let's do it.

NaughtyAmerica sunk a fortune into LIVE INTERACTIVE programming - guess fucking what - IT'S GONE. Because it's meaningless to the bottom line. I have a new solo girl site and the model is doing her Halloween webcam show as I type this. I regret making her go on webcam - IT'S USELESS ..... yes, USELESS ...... she has 600 active members, there *might* be 50 members watching. I saw the same thing on Ashley Brookes.

Met-Art which probably is the most successful paysite on the planet in terms of membership count felt they needed this INTERACTIVITY and had their own LIVE CAM shows - guess fucking what - GONE! They now just upsell their members to a Streamate white label.

Interactivity on a paysite means next to nothing.

If the whole meat of your site is interactivity- virtual world community,dating, a cam site - different story,different business.

You keep using this argument and it's getting stupid. iTunes didn't stop piracy, nothing will. What it did is allow people that are not paying $15 a fucking CD to download shit for $0.99 and made it fairly easy. This has resulted in billions of dollars in sales, a large chunk of which they never would have gotten by not having cheap access points.

You can get mad and reminisce but the paysites people are slinging are not worth the fucking price being charged. Not to me and not to 99.9% of surfers.

Adapt or die, we can't even get off the POS fucking ICQ.

Smartest thing I've read so far. Yeah I understand your making some profit from these tube sites, and yes I realize I haven't been in this industry as long as some of you, and even as a late comer I came in with the same build idea as many have done before. However with my fresh perspective I quickly realized that the current system was not working, how could it work when everything you was being provided for free. Not only is everything you sell being provided for free, but everything you sell is being provided for free by the people who advertise for you! The FHG's are not what I'm talking about here, but you can do a search and find thousands of sites that say on the side, "Join XXX pay site now only 30 bucks and see this whole set" in a banner, when it's right beside the whole set for free! Oh look at that, I guess I'm going to go with the free! Sure your getting sales now, but what about when they have everything.

The internet isn't about you and the cloud anymore, its about you and the millions of other people on the cloud, and a simple comments box on the bottom of each scene isn't exactly going to cut it. For that matter, I haven't even been in a chat room since 2003.

In this regards, and in my limited opinion webcam sites are rocking out there. The reason being is the interactivity. You can talk with the models, they talk to you, you can ask them to do things, they get happy when you tip them! That's the key right there isn't it... go ahead, make php happy when they buy a membership. Make your html smile and thank them with a sexy grin. You can't but those models can. This is the interactivity that the adult industry needs now. It's not a set it up and leave occupation anymore.

I am sad that I didn't get to see the hayday of the adult industry online, but I honestly see a new, more structured one coming, one where the profits may be even bigger than in the past, but constant, with people always coming back for more. Many sites will be lost in this, hell I'm not unrealistic, I may be back on the consumer side, but it will happen, and I hope sites are willing to adapt.

Good luck everyone, we're all going to need it!

I think everyone just needs to learn to promote my products and not worry about free porn :P

true about ICQ

Sir,

With all due respect you are wrong. Of course those piece of shit $9.95 per month porn sites failed. They aren't worth two cents a month. The price difference between $10 and $30 is not enough to change ratios very much. In the big scheme of things it is exactly the same price point.

Now, when I say we need lower price points you take this to mean some $5 or $10 per month memberships. I do not suggest ANYTHING that is a new version of the old, worn out bullshit. Lowering monthly membership fees is not going to help anything, it will just reduce your income.

This industry needs an overhaul. There are much better ways to get money out of a surfer. I am well aware of what they are willing to spend since they regularly throw $5 per minute to watch a damn cam show. What less and less of them are willing to do is sign up to any site with recurring billing because there are 100 or even 1000 sets of content inside. The model sucks, it is dying and you and everyone else here knows it.

You can hang on to the old school videos and pic sites, fight piracy all day long and whatever else you dream up as a play on the same old shit but win or lose the fight sales will never be the same. That doesn't mean one company won't make the same money but they won't do it on one site that is exactly like the last site that was exactly like the site before that.

Bookmark this comment, check it in a year or two. Check it again in 5. It is the absolute truth and we will be seeing huge changes in the near future. Not everyone is going to keep on plugging away with Steve Lightspeed while the industry passes them by.

If I had $100,000 floating around I would pay you to test one idea I've been sitting on. You have the right girls to pull it off in epic fashion but it is something you would never be on board with until you saw it working. It is a complete 180 from the standard business model and will most likely be done first by some girl chilling in her bedroom. She will be famous.

+1

Couldn't agree more.

I don't think the subscription model is going anywhere. However sites that only consist of pictures and videos using the subscription model are in a lot of trouble. At the same time those type of sites could make changes and hang in there and even thrive.

by your comments in this thread, with all due respect have no idea what interaction is. And yes I have run my own websites before and dealt with customers. Interaction doesn't just consist of "live cams" there is soo much more to it. How would you know if it works or not, you basing all of this off of receiving emails from members "looking for porn". How do you know if you added the right kind and amount of interaction to your site if the members would eat it up or not. You don't know, you never tried. You are just making assumptions and missing it.

If you really believe " Fighting piracy is the only way to bring our lost sales back " then you might as well unplug your server now and walk away. Fightng them is a waste of time, you are delusional if you think you going to win or stop it or hell even slow it down. Making changes and adapting to it is the only chance you have. The only thing you can accomplish by fighting them is what steve is doing and that is nickle and diming the ones you can, that you catch watching you stolen content. that is it.

I disagree its not stupid. This whole argument if it wasnt so expensive and suckful it wouldnt stolen is not based in reality. They just dont want to pay lets not kid ourselves. Because if it was such dog shit why take it at all? They dont want to pay period. Also porn isnt music.

It may be rough for awhile, but the industry has an invincible ally on it's side - Market Forces. Hot chicks are hot chicks and hot chicks will always find a way to get paid. If the industry does indeed end up bottoming it out, the quality of talent will decrease to a point where people will have no choice but to start paying for the highly protected content of top talent and then the economic cycle will repeat.