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I like the angle and I might have some traffic for you. Get me on ICQ sometime so I have your number and when I can sit down and think I will shoot the shit with you. I have some ideas to monetize in this climate but nothing I could or care to do on my own.

This man speaks the truth..

you are wrong on the suing the downloader being a bad thing. i know many many people who quit downloading shit when people started getting sued, including me. the smart people who care that their lives will get fucked up will get back into line. those are the people with the money to buy memberships. they traditionally understand a company needs to make money to survive and produce more products. the losers with no money will never pay for anything anyhow. let them download some other idiots shit that doesn't care enough to protect their products.

Nah, in every community of normal people that I participate in it is blatantly obvious that they don't give a shit about you. They don't think that you having a shitty business model is their problem so they download away. You can get money out of them but not by making it harder and more expensive for them to get the content they want. The only people suing are has beens that are so far out of touch with reality that lawsuits are the only chance they have at future income.

I agree with this and have a question for you...

I had a chance to be shown the admin for a group of sites with the highest levels of interaction. These are truly social sites. My conversions and rebills have been better with these than any site I have promoted going back to 2003. It has honesty been impressive which is why I was interested in what they were doing. Now the owner of these sites tells me that despite this, his greatest challenge is getting people to actually promote it .. or anything in the current market. Why would people continue to promote the "old" when there are "new media" sites in our space to promote? Or are people just not promoting anything anymore?

And apologies to the thread starter if this is off topic

you are incorrect on all accounts.

Take away the advertising on torrent/file sharing sites and lets see how they run their sites.

Those players that support them are in our industry. Blacklist them are we might have a chance.

I'm sorry, I guess my sample size of 2 million is too small.

I have no idea why these companies / owners will not make changes. It is dumbfounding to see how many of them continue on with their picture and video sites like it is business as usual instead of making changes to add more interaction for their members.

I guess a lot of affiliate don't realize the value either? Who ever it is you are talking about does he promote his program well to affiliates? If I were him I would harp on how he is different from everyone else and show how well his conversion and retention rates are.

OK, it seems to me that as a practical matter, we are all stuck with free porn being out there and it's not going to go away any time soon. Like sand fleas in the desert, you can keep them off but you can't get rid of them.

Ordinary people who would never think of shoplifting, robbing a bank or driving off unpaid from the gas station are perfectly willing to download free porn, stolen or not. A screwy glitch in mentality, morality and ethics but there it is and that's a fact, Jack!

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There are millions of sites, hundreds of thousands of webmasters, thousands of torrents and even if you had a thousand guys and gals working 24/7/365, you'd never get them all taken down.............................................. .................

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How to live, survive and profit in this theft-ridden market is the only question.

Why do we not turn our thoughts, marketing skills and efforts to finding the answer to that question instead of whining, bitching and complaining about something that we absolutely cannot control?

Thanks to piracy and "digital freedom", potential customers now regard us producers as nearly enemies for wanting money for shit they believe should be free.

That's sick.

It's sick, it sucks, they are assholes, fuck them, fucking pussies, pieces of shit, dickweeds, they live in their moms basement and have no friends etc.

Doesn't change the fact that we need to work around it. Complaining definitely doesn't help, ask Steve!

You are right on!

2 years ago I stepped away from day to day paysite operations and planned out a total change in our business with my expectations that subscription based sites are ending soon.

I past this article and the comments to Shap and we have discussed this a lot. I feel that studios and people involved in this little conference missed out on a lot of people and suggestions.

The iTunes of porn won't happen yet Damian sorry, why? People are still to greedy. I have had 4 emails recently from programs changing their revshare percent. I am waiting for PPS programs to start being cancelled.

it wouldnt make a difference. Did itunes stop music piracy? did redbox stop it? nope 99 cents didnt. People use the its too expensive as an excuse. You made it 50 cents they would say its fucking porn why buy ?they are all rich already.