Check my signature for more details.

Pimp, I'm not promoting anything on this board, so I have no reason to show anyone my websites. This is a business, why would I tell anyone my business secrets? That is the mark of a fool, not of a 'player' or whatever you call it. If I needed epiccash's help I'd have contacted you already.

Call it what you will, my opinions are what they are. If ya don't like it, well GFY!

yea thats what i thought.

your opinions are welcome although highly inaccurate and misleading. about 40% of what you say is true.. if you are going to bash me atleast tell the truth and not make shit up.

pretty simple really..

Thanks for confirming the expected. You obviously are not involved in the business, and are only here to cry over those more successful than you. Cool. Can't even distinguish between a Trial and a 30 day membership until page 2 LOL.

I couldn't have SCRIPTED irony like this.

Obviously I touched a nerve, let's see some proof big boy.

Look up 'irony' and get back to me. For someone who is 'on time' you certainly are slow on the uptake.

how is it 4.95 for the surfer.

Your trial membership for Members Bonus - One Month Membership will begin as soon as your transaction is complete.
Your price is $4.95 for 30 days.
Thereafter you will be charged $39.84 for every 1 month(s) until cancelled.


looks like a regular pay site to me

That is not normal for a paysite.A three trial is normal for 4.95

You know something mpegposter, I do have an enlarged set of canines, and they go right to the throat of the matter.

It's no ones business how Treys making his money back, as long as you are being paid for your traffic you send in the manner you've both agreed to.

I could run a program, pay 50 bucks a join, not shave a dime from anyone, and make money with it, breaking even very quickly actually.

Of course all the resellers cashing my checks would be crying about how I didn't give them their exits, didnt pay them on dialers, only paid them on checks 7 days after they came in so I could make sure they cleared the bank, and didnt pay them on cross sales, or give them a buck when a surfer gave me his email but not his credit card number.

Affiliates cannot have it both ways. You want a nice 50-50 program that is not marketing aggressively but you get 50% of everything they are doing, that is fine, there are a ton of them out there.

You want to be paid per join no shave, then you simply have to understand that the program owner has to do everything in his power to convert clicks into dollars.

lots of haters Nowadays

amen. quick to question, and quick to avoid questioning.

lame.

nice pimp dog!

you have come a long way in short time and I respect that!

good luck with the site§ :glugglug

Regards
Vegas:drinkup

Looks good Pimpdog, good luck with it.



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huh? whats so good about this site?

The surfer pays $4.95 and when he signs up the button to get access to another site for $39 is also ticked.... and then the membership recurs at $39 per a month anyway...

it will be easy to break even in fact he should make shit loads

So surfer pays $4.95 for 30 days access (thinking it will be this price every month he doesnt cancel)... Recurs at $39.84..

Plus those people who didnt untick the CELEBS box get charged $39.84 after 4 days....

Some that decide to cancel will do so for one site thinking thats all they signed up for while the other rebills and rebills....


So while you take you paltry SIGNUP fee...

the site owner should make a bomb... do affiliates have chargebacks deducted? I hope not.

I'm not following this here.

3rd party stats WOULD BE pimpdogg running on the Epoch bundled affiliate program.

If hes not, then the program is ran locally (by pimpdogg) and Epoch is only in charge of tracking his total sales.

Is it just me or is the conversation between onehunglow and pimpdogg confusing others here?

Hey have you ever thought about a job in the tobacco industry? I think that statement alone could get you a pretty decent executive position :1orglaugh

I have a statement too... if you continually bite the hand that feeds you, eventually they are going to knock you the fuck out.

Now I'm not saying I haven't used or don't continue to use currently 100% legal marketing methods similar to this. But one thing is for sure - we are breeding new kind of adult consumer with all the fine print & surprise charges.

Short term its good for the bankrolls, sure.. but long term, well, someone said it best awhile ago - if we don't police the industry ourselves Visa & the gov will do it for us.

From a marketing standpoint its a good deal though :thumbsup
But I'm thinking in time auto-rebills are going to be taken away from us. Or at least upgrading rebills (trial -> full), I could see them forcing full membership rebills on us.

The 'it's okay because it makes money, shut up and get your checks' argument is so tired I think it's spent most of the 21st century in intensive care.

I realize I'm a minority on this one, but there ARE rights and wrongs in business. Stealing or being deceptive are against the law if a convenience store does it, or a webmaster program does it. The only difference is it's easier to manipulate figures on paper and in binary.

Keep the blinders on, and the situation won't be rosy in the near future. Doesn't take a savvy industry insider to see what will happen when the FTC complaints, spam emails, and lawsuits pile up.

pimpdogg, good luck with the site
:)

exactly...

Hey, aren't we all adults here? *snicker*
WTF should you care how someone else runs their program?
Vote with your traffic...don't send it there if you don't like it.
however..
Just as pimpdog attacked chocker's program.
Turnabout is fair play.

Anyway Good Luck with it pimpdog...

Hey Jen! Nice chatting with you in the airport in Vegas. How was your flight?
Did you husband get jealous of your old school addidas hat?

how in the fuck am i being deceptive?

Epoch pays affilates who work on the recurring billing payouts only. Due to the high risk involved in paying out, say $30 on a $2.95 trial, the sponsors themselves must pay out these commisions. It's a risky model and invites fraud.

I would really like to see the entire industry go back to paying affilates on the recurring billing method. It would not only help the sponsor programs, but, elminate a lot of fraudsters. The mindset should be long term, not get in and get out. I can preach all day long about the many ways this would benefit the industry but I won't because I don't have time and you guys won't listen anyway. It sure would be nice if someone could come up with a way to make recurring payouts more attractive than one time payouts. Hmmmmm......

you know Pimp...

I didn't nor am I going to read this whole thing.. But this is the same assholes with the same bullshit again..


good luck.:thumbsup

Everyone's got an opinion especially on GFY.

Good luck Pimp.

lol.. he wasnt talking about you rand.. he was talkign about this idiot mpegposter that likes to defame any program that processes with epoch. it wasnt against you.

I think Rand knows that wasn't to him bro.. Rand's my bud.. we're having lunch this week :thumbsup

Actually Rand is right on, finally someone who IS in the banking sector and isn't afraid to tell the truth.

I just gained a lot more respect for Epoch.

Perhaps pimpdogg and drops should read what he is saying.

To answer your question Rand, it's the same solution it always has been. Produce quality content, and treat your customers well. How do you think OxCash, CFF, and Lightspeed do it?

Ironic that Rand comes on here agreeing with me, that these fly-by-nights won't LISTEN even when people who know something are speaking to the virtues of honest and safe business, and pimpdogg feels like he has to jump to HIS aid. So by agreeing with your enemy's friend, you agree with your enemy?

I'll give you a few hours to puzzle that one out.

Rand has a good point.. but supply and demand will always outweigh ones personal beliefs.

if people want paypersignup, then they will get it.

why is that hard to understand. its simple economics.. shit i learned in 9rth grade.

why do you have 4 signup buttons when 2 will do?

don't lie!

you're the guy that slept through all the classes

:1orglaugh

I grew up in NC, you know, Jesse Helms and the heart of the tobacco industry, so what of it?

If pimpdog was doing something that was against the disclosure rules of Visa or MC, do you think he would be allowed to keep doing it? NO.

And while I love Rand dearly, and he knows it, it's a pretty rose colored view to place your income into the hands of someone else long term.

Personally I think the recurring payout model is one of the things that has HURT this industry the most. People with no money to bank on starting up revshare programs like crazy. I will say this, back in the day Epoch charged 5000 bucks to do it, maybe if all the processors did that, the quality of whats out there would rise dramatically.

im going to add 8 join buttons just cause you asked about it.

lol.. fly by night.

3 years and counting

that makes me happy

Hey!!!! LOL. He loves it. And my son thinks it is cool to have a hat with his dad's tattoo on it! Hope your flight went well... I think I slobbered on the guy next to me :) Keep in touch!!!!

I Love You Too KK! Always have. Always will. :)

But, as for my rose colored view, I tend to see the world that way because I like it better. (Doesn't mean I don't look the other way too though) .

However, if the payment processor is tracking and paying out the affilates for recurring payouts it should not be a problem. Affilates are always questioning sponsors and wondeing if they shave, etc..... With reucrring, you get a % for as long as the member remains a member. I know a little something about reucrring sales and although there are still ways to get screwed on this model, I think there are "less" ways or at least less suspicion. Sponsors could breath a little, be less tempted to shave (or whatever) and there would be less fraud going on.

Most programs I'm aware of are legit. I'm just saying I think the whole affilate world would be a better place if we went back to the recurring payout method. Just my opinion.

:2 cents:

how is he stealing or being deceptive? he's upfront about not paying on exits, etc

fuck all the haters pimpD

you go get your bling bling on

;)

nice look btw, media does some nice shit
foooooo shoooooooooooo



PS: Brujah's got the right way to do this math, leave the details out cuz you know what they say "The Devil's in the Detalis"

or was that Sykk's in the details?

hmmm