Hey, aren't we all adults here? *snicker*
WTF should you care how someone else runs their program?
Vote with your traffic...don't send it there if you don't like it.
however..
Just as pimpdog attacked chocker's program.
Turnabout is fair play.

Anyway Good Luck with it pimpdog...

Hey Jen! Nice chatting with you in the airport in Vegas. How was your flight?
Did you husband get jealous of your old school addidas hat?

how in the fuck am i being deceptive?

Epoch pays affilates who work on the recurring billing payouts only. Due to the high risk involved in paying out, say $30 on a $2.95 trial, the sponsors themselves must pay out these commisions. It's a risky model and invites fraud.

I would really like to see the entire industry go back to paying affilates on the recurring billing method. It would not only help the sponsor programs, but, elminate a lot of fraudsters. The mindset should be long term, not get in and get out. I can preach all day long about the many ways this would benefit the industry but I won't because I don't have time and you guys won't listen anyway. It sure would be nice if someone could come up with a way to make recurring payouts more attractive than one time payouts. Hmmmmm......

you know Pimp...

I didn't nor am I going to read this whole thing.. But this is the same assholes with the same bullshit again..


good luck.:thumbsup

Everyone's got an opinion especially on GFY.

Good luck Pimp.

lol.. he wasnt talking about you rand.. he was talkign about this idiot mpegposter that likes to defame any program that processes with epoch. it wasnt against you.

I think Rand knows that wasn't to him bro.. Rand's my bud.. we're having lunch this week :thumbsup

Actually Rand is right on, finally someone who IS in the banking sector and isn't afraid to tell the truth.

I just gained a lot more respect for Epoch.

Perhaps pimpdogg and drops should read what he is saying.

To answer your question Rand, it's the same solution it always has been. Produce quality content, and treat your customers well. How do you think OxCash, CFF, and Lightspeed do it?

Ironic that Rand comes on here agreeing with me, that these fly-by-nights won't LISTEN even when people who know something are speaking to the virtues of honest and safe business, and pimpdogg feels like he has to jump to HIS aid. So by agreeing with your enemy's friend, you agree with your enemy?

I'll give you a few hours to puzzle that one out.

Rand has a good point.. but supply and demand will always outweigh ones personal beliefs.

if people want paypersignup, then they will get it.

why is that hard to understand. its simple economics.. shit i learned in 9rth grade.

why do you have 4 signup buttons when 2 will do?

don't lie!

you're the guy that slept through all the classes

:1orglaugh

I grew up in NC, you know, Jesse Helms and the heart of the tobacco industry, so what of it?

If pimpdog was doing something that was against the disclosure rules of Visa or MC, do you think he would be allowed to keep doing it? NO.

And while I love Rand dearly, and he knows it, it's a pretty rose colored view to place your income into the hands of someone else long term.

Personally I think the recurring payout model is one of the things that has HURT this industry the most. People with no money to bank on starting up revshare programs like crazy. I will say this, back in the day Epoch charged 5000 bucks to do it, maybe if all the processors did that, the quality of whats out there would rise dramatically.

im going to add 8 join buttons just cause you asked about it.

lol.. fly by night.

3 years and counting

that makes me happy

Hey!!!! LOL. He loves it. And my son thinks it is cool to have a hat with his dad's tattoo on it! Hope your flight went well... I think I slobbered on the guy next to me :) Keep in touch!!!!

I Love You Too KK! Always have. Always will. :)

But, as for my rose colored view, I tend to see the world that way because I like it better. (Doesn't mean I don't look the other way too though) .

However, if the payment processor is tracking and paying out the affilates for recurring payouts it should not be a problem. Affilates are always questioning sponsors and wondeing if they shave, etc..... With reucrring, you get a % for as long as the member remains a member. I know a little something about reucrring sales and although there are still ways to get screwed on this model, I think there are "less" ways or at least less suspicion. Sponsors could breath a little, be less tempted to shave (or whatever) and there would be less fraud going on.

Most programs I'm aware of are legit. I'm just saying I think the whole affilate world would be a better place if we went back to the recurring payout method. Just my opinion.

:2 cents:

how is he stealing or being deceptive? he's upfront about not paying on exits, etc

fuck all the haters pimpD

you go get your bling bling on

;)

nice look btw, media does some nice shit
foooooo shoooooooooooo



PS: Brujah's got the right way to do this math, leave the details out cuz you know what they say "The Devil's in the Detalis"

or was that Sykk's in the details?

hmmm