Thats what I remember about Thailand. You see these guys all over them and you just wonder. Very sad.

The law only precludes the business aspects from outing his status. It doesn't stop Joe-citizen from speculating his status so not posting in this thread if you have a business relationship that caused you to be knowledgeable of his status is a good idea.

However, the rest of us can say what we want to!

I think having gay talent work in straight videos is just gay...

You have a way with words my friend. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :thumbsup



OK, that is what I thought. Thanks.

not one of us little dollies in the biz would kick your cute ass out of bed:winkwink:
feeling so nostalgic reading your posts here, it's been quite some time since i've seen you in this form.........refreshing :thumbsup have an amazing time in xxxxx and leave all this shit behind for the weekend, it will still be here when you return.

We use talenttestingservice.com all the time...as do many other production companies. And if there were another company that came on the scene that did the service MUCH cheaper...I'd go with them in a heartbeat. The more competition the better in my opinion. But yeah, the drawback is in a situation like this is: how many different testing companies does a producer have to get a producers login to run around and check.

I think your method of going to the doctor with the talent and getting the almost instant test done with both people shooting would be a much more effective test. But that was already a major thread back last year when this same shitstorm struck then.

I check on the swabs today.... $33 for each kit.. 20-40 min results

And just like the last time this argument happened...AIM is going to say it's not accurate enough. It's the kind of thing that would put them out of business.

I say...I'd go with the swab test on the spot right before the shoot over a 28 to 29 day old AIM test report.

Neither is 100%, but I think the swab represents much better risk management.

why not both? lets see if I get them, used paypal.. gonna find out if the company is legit I guess

Search Amazon. You can get them in bulk (100+) cheaper. I recognize the packaging as the same used by my free clinic.

TalentTestingService.com has an excellent service run by good people and I have also had fast online results for a similar talent testing panel with AnyLabTestNow.com. Those two and AIM are pretty much the standards I would recommend any talent use.

Yes you fucking idiot but what is the ratio of gay to straight in the U.S?

Straight outweighs gay by FARRRRRR. So your numbers only go to prove that the gay community has a SERIOUS problem.

How about the new CDC numbers that show that 1 in 5 bi/gay men have the disease?

Take your head out of your ass.

thanks, will do

I used to take rapid kits to Cuba back when I foolishly was shooting there.

Years back, there was a company called Trinity Bio-Tech who had rapid tests that many of the hospitals were using in the event staff was accidentally pricked with a needle or something. This was a few years back, but at that time these tests were supposed to be better than the swabs and the best rapid tests on the market. The downside was, I had to get them from a doctor friend of mine as they would not sell them to the general public.

Isn't that just amazing?

On one hand the govt. spends money on advertising telling people to "get tested". They advocate it.

Then when you try to "get tested" you have to spend over $100 to get the freakin' test. And the majority of the people in the general public that have HIV...are also poor people who can't afford that.

And when there is cheap and accurate testing available...guess what? Only a doctor can have it. Sound familiar? Kinda like everything else in our health care system?

I would theorize that the vast majority of strippers and hookers would test themselves if they had an accurate, cheap, and widely available over the counter test that they could administer to themselves in private.

I know that the first time I was tested back in the 1980's I was scared shitless. AND I was scared to have other people know in case the test came back positive.

For instance, if a girl is a stripper and could test herself...then she could continue as a stripper even if she came back positive. BUT, no girl out there is gonna spend over a hundred bucks to get a test that already scares them and also makes them fear that their condition would be leaked out by the nurses and cost them their job right when they need the money to pay for the overpriced (in the U.S. anyway) medication.

It's just amazing how the pharmaceutical and medical industries just fuck American's over in every way they can think of.

A fucking HIV test should be available cheaply and over the counter. There is no excuse otherwise. And for doctors and the govt. to pretend that they give a shit about any of our health is a fucking joke. It's all about the almighty dollar.

That study had some very serious flaws in it. It didn't take into account guys who don't really go out, it was mostly done in public places. It also didn't count guys that were in relationships, so that number is at best very skewed, at worst, completely in accurate.

There is a segment of the gay population that thrives on anonymous sex with as many partners as possible. However, that is just a segment. There is also a segment of the gay population that lives quietly and contently with their partners in a suburban setting with no outside sex partners. They are probably identical in numbers, its just you never hear about the gay family in the suburbs, they have no real aspirations to live the "gay life" and don't take parts in such events where a survey like this might pop up.

This was what I did when I was shooting. I had the blood tests done on the models, and it took about 30 minutes for the results, I had them right in my hand, instantly. For where I am located, that was the best thing for me at the time for filming.

For the guy earlier in the thread who said that gay porn doesn't test or they would have no models, I was shooting gay porn, testing my models, and STILL using condoms on set. :thumbsup:thumbsup

I live outside of DC, with one of the highest populations with HIV.

I am pro-testing and have gone with many friends (OK, I like the hand holding, too) and one out of five did not walk out positive.

You honestly believe that 1 in 5 number? That is fucking ridiculous if you do. It would be all over the news and there would be a big pandemic.

You go into the gayborhood and take a survey outside of a bathhouse you're going to get that number.

Before you believe random surveys maybe you should know the slightest bit about the sample.

And what Dean said above...

Edit: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031402176.html

You can get free, anonymous testing at your local clinic. Even if you're positive, nobody is going to wrestle you to the ground for an ID.

At the clinic I go to for testing it's just like the deli counter where you grab a two digit number that will identify you throughout the process.

The reality is that you're going to eventually need treatment and you'll see a doctor (it's not one pill fits all) and that doctor will then report you to the state but that is one of the most closely protected databases there are and I'm not even sure if it is all of your identifying information or just a way to identify you.

You should stop your malicious tongue... You degenerate!


Natalie & I get tested & in all our life we have never caught anything! This is a serious thread where a serious disease has been passed around the adult community because some twat probably thought he or she was gods gift & fucked some bird in a nightclub or somewhere the night before a shoot.

Lets hope you dont catch anything from a partner that wants to lead a stray.

Now back off when we have never, I repeat never caused a problem to the adult industry & we have always respected any adult worker. When working with other adult workers, we get tested a month before then tested again before the shoot without, I repeat without even giving facial scenes with non adult workers!


I take this business very seriously providing content that is of great standard. I tak it much more seriously than you, considering you spend half your time stalking us & writing bullshit on about us on your blog! Your blog that has mention of beastiality, rape & lies about I being gay & fucking arses!


Fuck off trying to make a very serious thread into a joke, at our expense!

For everybodies attention, I was not getting involved with this thread, knowing the childishness of Damian & another, that would only fuck up this thread, as they have many others! I wish nothing to do with these prats. You dont see me speaking crap of anyone, I stand for my rights as Natalie & I work hard for our business. I do not expect my windows on my shop front to be trashed every time I make show a new shop front.

Were can I buy those swab tests from? I want to start taking them out with me when I go out to bars or on a first date, strip club etc... I want to swab the chick before my lap dance. Can never be too safe these days.

The problem is, you dont know what the models were doing the night before or what the models partners were doing a few nights before.

This is why in our situation we have always taken a test a month before a shoot with professional workers & then another test just a week before without interacting with other guys or girls. We have usually stuck to solo, facial or handjobs in that month or so :2 cents:

Amazon.

Good luck with that though.

"Hey, I need to swab your mouth. For what? HIV."

Even if she says OK you still have to wait 20 minutes for the result.

And then since it's not a PCR/DNA test the window is wider.

The swab only tests for antibodies which typically do not show up for 3 weeks to six months with 4 weeks being the average. The PCR/DNA tests for actual HIV rather than the antibodies.

For those that don't know, AIM uses the more advanced (and costly test) to close the window as much as possible.

A lap dance? Which lapdancing bars do you go to, because in the UK, you're not allowed to touch :2 cents:

I don't think the majority of people will go to a free clinic and request the test. Too much stigma. And even when you do ask a "regular" doctor for an HIV test...the first thing they do is ask "Why do you think you need it?"

It's embarrassing. And even more embarrassing when you call for a doctor's appointment and talk to some random reception girl and tell her you need to see the doctor..."What's the purpose of the visit?"

Those kinds of things just put too many obstacles and hoops for people to jump through and makes them uneasy.

The test should be over the damn counter. Just like a pregnancy test is. There is NO reason for it not to be.

And yeah, if a person comes up positive...then of course they are going to see a doctor. But at that time they can make that decision for themselves. Hell, if it were me...and I took a self-test in my own home and came up positive...then I would travel to another town and see a doctor there, and lie about where I live and pay in cash to get another test to make sure it wasn't a false positive.

And then I would take a few days to let it all sink in and figure out the next course of action.

The way it is now...it's too expensive, too scary, and too much of a hassle IF the govt. is serious about people getting tested. That's just the way it is.

And hell, look at our own industry...every fucking time someone comes up positive...their names are instantly all over every gossip and message board in the world. That alone is enough to scare the shit out of people about being tested.

Just sayin'...HIV tests should be cheap and readily available for everyone to test and test frequently. I'd be happy if it was a test that I could have in my pocket in a nightclub and have the random whore I'm gonna drill do it with me before we fuck.

Why not?

Right, you don't know what the models were doing the night before in any situation. A test the day before the shoot is surely more accurate for catching things than one that is say, 29 days old. :2 cents:

Totally agree with you. It is much better. Most of the models I have seen have usually had test certs of only a week or 2 old. But yes, 30days is ridiculous :thumbsup

LET ME MAKE SOME THINGS CLEAR


Those swab tests that you can buy from overseas (the same kind the clinics use) are great, but it is not something the industry wants to adopt over AIM testing.

The mouth swab tests are highly accurate (in fact, false positives are a problem, not false negatives, which is why a positive result is followed up with a confirmatory blood test).

The problem with them is that they only test for HIV antibodies and do not test for the infection itself. The problem with these is that it takes awhile for the body to build antibodies after acquiring the virus. As the tests become more accurate, the average is 4 to 6 weeks but some people can go six months to a year (rare) before developing antibodies.

The test that AIM and other talent testing services use (AIM does and I hope the others do) is a PCR by DNA test which looks for the actual virus. After acquiring the virus, these tests can often detect HIV cells in 7 to 21 days (or thereabout if my memory serves me correctly).

So if everybody insists on bareback and wants something better then talent testing by blood should still be on the table and the swab probably wouldn't hurt in case someone tries to get around AIM.

The best thing is blood testing, pre-shoot testing (even at a clinic by swab) and condoms.

We also cannot forget about Hep, which is also important to test for and doesn't have a swab test.

I know all of this because I had a serious scare after having unprotected sex with someone that was positive and spent a lot time with a epidemiologist two days after the exposure trying to put my mind to rest. I started the PEP within the 72 hour window of exposure and many years later am negative.

I have two very close friends (and more than a few acquaintances) that are positive and I am now sort of a one man advocate that spends a lot of time trying to make sure it stops at them.

You're right. I've had a regular doctor do it maybe two or three times. I actually feel more comfortable at the clinic because they deal with people that are 100x bigger whores than I could ever even imagine being. :1orglaugh They've seen it all and after awhile give up on judging. :1orglaugh

I've walked the "OMG I'm poz" walk with a few people and each handles it differently. Some are proactive about treatment, others go into denial, some expect it, some are shocked, everybody is different. I've spent a lot of sleepless nights wondering how I'd react myself. I'd probably be a wreck for a few weeks.

Agreed. This is the only way to be sure. Keep in mind that this would then mean that there can be no more cum swallow shots (guy whipping off condom as he is about to cum and shoots it into his/her mouth).

In all honesty though, while this could put a wet blanket on the porn industry it would be doing the public a service in promoting safe sex. IMO, the influence of porn on males does not help in that regard.

This wont happen. Watching some fella fucking with a condom on is just not a turn on :(

If the pornstars just stayed out of the clubs & bars or didnt think it was nessessary to fuck a load of young teany boppers, when they get enough sex on the job, then there wouldnt be this problem.

Creampie movies have been around for 20plus yrs & the problem certainly didnt start in porn, dogging or swinging. Infact, the swing scene is a very clean scene. I know many people that are in the swing scene & they wont go near anyone in the business as they have their own group of people.

If you have a gun licence, you dont wave it around the streets, so an adult worker should keep their tools for the job, what ever the job, not for twating around at the weekend :2 cents:

Also agreed. A condom is not a turn on and that's where the buck stops...unfortunately. Unless they can keep the actors in a quarantined environment that prevents sex with outside (untested) folks this can still crop up as the current system is not fool proof. There is no perfect solution outside of literally sexually quarantining the actors....but what does this do to prevent infection from blood transfusions and intravenous drug use (needle sharing) and then spreading it? Once again, no perfect solution really.

I had actually forgot about the needles. It always worries me, when getting tested. Can you imagine, you go to the hospital for a test, your negative & but the needle has something on it! It has happened before. I know only maybe once or twice, but...

A guy that was filming a shoot with us about 3 maybe 4 yrs back split his cock, while inside a model. I was in shock! I took the guy to the local hospital myself & waited in the waiting room while he was seen straight away as I explained that I was a producer & the seriousness of the need for immediate testing. We were given the results first thing the next morning. Other times, our local hospital have given results within an hour. They are very good in the UK.

Hey look, another person that can manage to fuck statistics all up. It's hilarious and sad.

That's like triple stamping a double stamp.


Yet no one tests for it. How irresponsible is that?

Seriously, what does that say about an industry that only tests for HIV when Hep B and Hep C can kill you just the same? Any logic at all there?

Indeed, I always watch the nurses when getting any kind of needle to make sure they are removing it from the new box but in reality they chuck the used ones into the bio-hazard box right away so I imagine the risk there is minuscule. I was referring mainly to drug users sharing needles but there are also blood transfusions.

The one thing that the testing does not cover though is the incubation period for HIV before it becomes detectable. It can, IIRC, take 6~12 months to appear as a positive even though it is in your body (can anyone correct me here?). So this does not really close the loop in terms of risk.

What is splitting your cock, and how on earth do I avoid that? :Oh crap:Oh crap

Personally, I wouldnt have thought there would be any dirty smack heads in the adult business, but there again, who knows. I suppose the partners of the adult workers could always be doing that kind of thing :Oh crap

It does make you think about all the other jobs that could be even more dangerous than the adult industry, like the person that actually has to clear the bio-hazard bags away! They obviously where protective gloves & the needles are placed back in wrappers, but at the time of testing, the nurse doesnt know if the needle is infected, so throughout the day, there could be a needle ready to stick into the poor cleanance person :Oh crap

I do not think theincubation period is that long, I thought most can be seen within 3 weeks or so apart from HIV which is a cpl of months :(

It is a shame that they still havnt found a cure, will they ever?

I'm not gonna bother reading this thread but I feel compelled to point out that OC Modeling has zero responsibility for this situation.

And as far as you stating that those who star in gay films should not be in "your part of the industry" that's a crock of shit too. That's called discrimination.

My guess is you have a bone to pick with OC Modeling for some reason otherwise why would you start such a stupid thread?

It's all bro hugs, gay sex escorts and porn scenes until 8 people die from it.

That's what my old man used to say.

Condoms should be manadatory, that would also increase the sales of viagra,, perfect solution..

this thread got boring fast.

Damian and DVtimes attack on you aside, what these guys have been syaing all along is adult talent are being exposed by others, outside/inside of the industry who are willing to go bareback, and from what i remember thats always been there argument, and look at the situation we are in, im not picking on you, but from what i can recall there argument has always been by hooking on the side and working with talent theyre being put at risk.

Maybe you should read the above quote, then understand, we only escort with clients once, maybe twice a month sometimes seeing a few more, its not like we are meeting clients everyday.

Our business is film production & livecamshows. If we can find people that dont mind being filmed as clients its great. It works well, considering they give reality footage. All the time, our footage is more exciting & hotter to watch than others that are fake with sound & quantity.

We have never had a problem & if the truth is known, the swinging scene & clientel that we see are not cheap scutters from a nightclub, or skanks that do smack & cant afford to meet escorts, they are professional guys that need to see clean escorts.

Swingers do not mix with adult scene because they feel that the porn industry is famed for problems like in this thread. Staying in a clean circle is obviously cleaner than meetng people with test certs considering the people tested do not know what their partners have been doing.

I would rather be in my situation, enjoying life with people that want to enjoy life with a clean unprotected atmosphere.

If the adult industry really wants to know that everyone is disease free, then the adult workers have to live in a seperate house like "big brother" for a year at a time or something stupid like this.

There is a risk with quite a few jobs including a simple job like the people that have to dispose of the needles & waste in hospitals on 12grand a year.

it dosent matter if you do it once, twice, 100000 times a week, it only takes that one time, just one time, doing it more often, for sure increases the chances, but it only takes one time. Im not picking on you, you say swingers dont mix with the porn scene, from what ive gathered you swing with those who are "proffesional and clean" but then you may go on to work with adult talent, and i remmeber afew posts where people say you do, i dont know, all im saying is, damianj made a point about this and its happened, how he went about it may or may not of been the best way, but still

Also to add, most, if not 99% of adult workers escort or run parties, they keep it quiet. I know half the models on other British sites have run parties & escort.

What were they or their partners doing the night before :2 cents:

Exactly.
I wasnt picking on you bro or tyring to single you out / cause a drama, im just syaing thats damnians point all a long, it's no good asking what they or their partners were doing the night before, especially if you're doing something similar.

But as been mentioned before that is an issue, "what were they up to the past 24 hours" I dont know how effective those kits are at detecing in that time frame but it is a tricky area, can you ask talent to respect hat theyre doing and to refrain from other activitys until there next shoot, or is that too much to ask and if you did ask how amny would stick to it?

Thats correct. I never said that we or anyone doesnt run a risk. We shoot fantastic porn & enjoy the people we meet, friends, as most of our clients have become friends after & seen again.

We are not running a risk to the adult industry which is what this thread is about & what should concern anyone. We do not see pro adult workers as we work with our own circle of people, of which, as sai previously, to swingers, doggers & clients, is a cleaner circle. There is no problem.

As a second tier on the adult business, as is all webmasters, You should be happy that we have content that is worth watching, worth selling & worthy of the porn business with regular updates that can make them & you, decent money from.

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one of the girls from the scene, jessica lynn tweeted thank god we are ok and called him selfish, so i guess it gains a little momentum