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Canada existed in 1812, we just weren't officially a country, and while it was largely the people of Canada who won the war, we weren't literally Canadians yet. We were mostly under British rule, and it was under the guidance of the Brits that we were ale to send the Americans running back home after their failed invasion. In fact we owe a large part of the thanks to the native population for us not being a part of that unstable shit heap of a country. The Americans were scared shitless of our injuns.

Oh I've done this research years ago when the boast of Canada burning down the White House were made on GFY. So yes, the quote "if memory serves me correct" is apt.

What exactly does being 40, selling porn, loving guns and training/fighting MMA have to do with any of this? Or was that a disparaging remark to downplay and character assassinate and draw a straw man argument? Because it doesn't take away the fact that my information is right.

Panama, antartica, mexico

Now we've got the America bullshit opinion of what happened. See we both have one. You held a little ground, mostly around Lake Erie. Things bounced around back ad forth between sides on Lake Ontario. You failed miserably in trying to take Montreal. The Americans kept on trying but couldn't organize their shit worth a fuck and due to the fact that they mostly sucked kept losing back everything they gained to what wasn't exactly a strong enemy force. Through the majority of the attacks America lost out due to the fact that the Brits were simply a more effective force, and during the majority of the attacks the American troops struggled just to keep going due to their lack of skill and experience. Almost is a bit of a overstatement, but I wouldn't expect an American to admit they failed at winning a fight they started. :2 cents:

Man would it ever be great to beat the hell out of that red headed step child Quebec.

A fledgling country fighting the world's superpower to a draw not impressive? Burning down the fucking capital of the UK in North America not impressive? What the British did was in retaliation to America's attack. Read your history, the UK Navy started this war, not America. And the UK didn't win, nobody did. Read up on the Treaty of Ghent.


Well I was impressed, but I take it back. Just more nonsense.

People of Canada won the war? Sure, there were part of Canadians in the UK British and Navy, but to say it was the people of Canada who won the war is a joke. That's why all the history books repeat what you are spewing. Right? Ummm, no cause it's wrong.

How about those Canadians who fought for the USA? Do you take pride in those Canadians who fought for the USA and brought the British Empire to a draw on the battlefield?

you mean, of course, keep losing to a bunch of farmers and natives? I love this whole 'you were british then' hahahah

no, the AMERICANS kept on calling us british and picked on the smaller, far more available, younger cousin to lash out like a butt-hurt bitch

so yea, stroke whatever egos necessary, and we'll see you again in your '1-2 day invasion'

cause the world now knows that really means 'several years'

Technically we could invade and take over anyone - the world wouldn't even see it coming and no one would believe the country being defeated simply because we'd just say, "we're on a peace keeping mission"

i love when Canadians argue with each other on their flawed history retelling. :) I don't care if you are a Canuck Richard, you are still the shiznit in my book. As I know you forgive me for being an American.

But as for the correct history, it was the British, notably the British Navy that started this whole war. We were just defending ourselves and maybe trying to get some of that prime Canadian Real Estate round the Great Lakes. LOL

I love Canada. I was just up in Toronto this past weekend. Hate your new HST, and think that's a huge joke being forced down all of your throats.

We kept you out of our country when you were invading us. That counts as a win in my books. Even though we were technically under British rule, and the move into Canada came as a retaliation against the British. It is considered a victory for Canada by most Canadians because it kept us as Canada, and not a part of the US. For the Brits, the French, and the natives who lived here and fought to keep America out. So what about the Canadians that fought for your side? There were about 500 of them. What about all the Americans who fled to Canada and fought with us remaining loyal to the empire? That's a plain old pointless argument.

They Americans thought they could march right into Canada and crush us. They even said so. It turned out they were sadly mistaken and defeated repeatedly, gaining zero ground in the process. You could overthrow the Brits in America, but you couldn't manage it in Canada.

Sorry to tell you, but you didn't accomplish shit in that war.

And for the record. You keep blaming the Brits for starting shit. You started that shit way back during the american revolution...

the correct history is simply that the british were already fighting a war against the french, and what set this off was the trade embargo that America felt was 'unjust' in the eyes of international law. Something funny, considering the whole flotilla fiasco recently. Further more, the 'impressement' issue was the british going after Royal Navy Veterans and Deserters, and getting them back on the new ships meant to take over the seas and eventually set the stage for victories during ww1 and ww2.

So while the term 'just defending yourselves' is a good one, it's more a "'we want to take out the northern territories 'Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin'", and from what i recall, it was all the southern states voting to have the war, and all the northern states voting against it

but i'm sure you forgive me for being canadian :1orglaugh

You mean like back in the day when they fought their way into the US and burned down the White house? :1orglaugh

Northern states were still selling us supplies during the war, when they were supposedly forbidden to. So how about all the Americans who kept us going? If America could have organized their shit eve half-assed, maybe they would have had a chance. It's not like we were a strong force to contend with, but our Brit leadership could at least keep their shit together. The Americans made no real lasting advance into Canadian territory because everything they did was a bumbling mess. Hell, even the French and the Indians took the British side. That is saying something.

On the flipside, the UK with Canadian regulars also couldn't do shit. Over and over again, I've said it. It was a stalemate, with both sides not able to win decisive or hold any ground. Hence the Treaty of Ghent. To keep on spouting that US lost the war is absolutely wrong. I will concede to your thinking and explanation that it's considered a win because you kept the US out of Canada, by Canadians. The rest of the world and history sees it for what it is. The Americas, a new country, held the premiere World Superpower to a draw.

As for who started the war, I don't blame anyone. It's in the annals of history who started it, and it was the British Navy. Look it up, or not. That way you can keep on with your incorrect and personal view of history.

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this thread turned kind of gay.

We sent her to Vegas for how long? It didn't work. That's why we're perfecting our new WMD now. Bieber. They have no clue how powerful we are becoming.... :1orglaugh

The trade embargo was unjust, and the impressment of American Sailors to fight for the UK against the French was just another, if not the main reason for the war of 1812.

I've already stated that it was another grab for land for the Americas as well as another chance to give the UK a matching black eye after the Americas Independence. I am not aware of any split between the states on whether we went to war or not, but if history is any indication of my country's declarations of war, bullshit excuses have been used to go to war for less.

And of course I forgive you for being Canadian, as I do all my Canadian friends that end up living in the USA, becoming citizens and card carrying members of the NRA. :)

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:BangBang::ak47: 101 Canadian Victories:thumbsup

Well considering a bunch of rag tag dudes on dirt bikes are wiping their asses with the US in Afghanistan right now I'd have to include the US on the list. Look tough, act tough but I guess when it comes time to get down to business you guys can't do shit. :)

they are wiping our asses as well.

as long as they're wiping our asses im happy lol but i know what you mean

the only reason canadians die so much in this stupid afghanistan war is because of dummy USA and their idiot reputation around the world...whose idea was it to side with these dummies? i mean the government not you ppl reading this (puppets hehe)

Maybe Niagara Falls

Or the Buffalo Bills Madden 2006

Haiti, definitely Haiti.