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  • will76
    Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash
    • May 2003
    • 18037

    #76
    its all fun and games till one of these tube site owners get hurt. It's bound to happen sooner or later.
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    • DWB
      Registered User
      • Jul 2003
      • 31779

      #77
      Originally posted by will76
      its all fun and games till one of these tube site owners get hurt. It's bound to happen sooner or later.
      They hide and operate behind only 1 law. Unfortunately, there is also 1 law that keeps them all alive and out of harms way. But we can always dream....

      If someone breaks into my house to steal everything I own, or simply steals 1 mini DV tape, without a second thought, will shoot and kill them where they stand with no remorse. By law I am permitted to do so. It is a crying shame there is not just 1 more law that allows me to do the same for stealing my property when it is outside of my home. It would be a glorious time to be alive if we could protect our property by force, anywhere our property may be. At the very least cut their hands off. It would cut thievery down with a quickness. Though, there is always going to be some dick head who thinks he's smarter than everyone else, but they all get caught sooner or later. OFF WITH YOUR HANDS!

      I would think cutting off a hand would be a lot easier than cutting of a dogs head.

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      • gideongallery
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2003
        • 7082

        #78
        Originally posted by Half man, Half Amazing
        I don't think DMCA law protects a repeat offender who is in violation of your own TOS. That's a bullshit copout and YOU KNOW IT.

        That's like the cops saying...."yeah we know he stole this car, but we can't arrest him because he actually paid for the underwear he's wearing".

        They violated your own TOS. In your TOS you say you can delete their account. Just quit bullshitting us and tell us what you really want to say:

        "We don't want to delete the other videos that repeat offenders upload because we like having stolen content on our site to bring in traffic to justify our ad rates."
        so if your so sure why don't you put up a security bond to cover all legal expenses if they get sued for deleting the video.

        remember fair use also authorizes uploading.

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        • charlie g
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2006
          • 2759

          #79
          bumping for nathan/fabian's answers
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          • SmokeyTheBear
            ►SouthOfHeaven
            • Jun 2004
            • 28609

            #80
            Originally posted by Nathan
            We do not, as far as I know, remove all content, actually, under DMCA law that might be a problem... but that is something I need to find out for sure, but did not have the time yet.
            it is not a problem at youtube ,google,twitter,facebook or any other law abiding company fyi. I have never seen a law that requires you to host files for people you have reason to believe are criminals.

            But let's not beat around the bush , you can delete any file for any reason you want. You would delete a video if a person appeared underage right ? without proof right ? because it is the right thing to do , so don't play games, do the right thing, don't look the other way for criminals because it makes you more profit.
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            • SmokeyTheBear
              ►SouthOfHeaven
              • Jun 2004
              • 28609

              #81
              Originally posted by gideongallery
              so if your so sure why don't you put up a security bond to cover all legal expenses if they get sued for deleting the video.

              remember fair use also authorizes uploading.
              nobody has ever sued a company for deleting a video uploaded from an account that committed an illegal act and violated its service terms.

              If you are so sure this is not the case then why don't you put up a security bond to cover all legal expenses if they get sued for not deleting a video uploaded by a criminal .?

              remember copyright theft is a criminal act.
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              • Why
                MFBA
                • Mar 2003
                • 7230

                #82
                just to play devils advocate here.... how do we know that they dont license some of these full length videos? i have full lengths on a number of tubes that i run, all of which are legally licensed. some studios are broke these days and licensing for pennies on the dollar.

                so how about, just to keep things easier to deal with in the future, we only bitch about content WE KNOW FOR A FACT is indeed infrining... ie; stop bitching to bitch and start bitching about whats your business and ONLY your business.

                oh and surfers upload tons of shit, as barefootsies said.. they do it to get virtual high-fives from their little online 'friends'.

                if you people are so worried about your content... go look on IRC!

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                • charlie g
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 2759

                  #83
                  Plain Fact IS Smokey.................... if Fabian/Nathan take down all videos that dont hold license for no one would visit the site. They cant take down these videos.. You think they want to give brazzers full videos for free? This is a big fucking game for this fucking shmuck.
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                  • charlie g
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 2759

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Why
                    just to play devils advocate here.... how do we know that they dont license some of these full length videos? i have full lengths on a number of tubes that i run, all of which are legally licensed. some studios are broke these days and licensing for pennies on the dollar.

                    so how about, just to keep things easier to deal with in the future, we only bitch about content WE KNOW FOR A FACT is indeed infrining... ie; stop bitching to bitch and start bitching about whats your business and ONLY your business.

                    oh and surfers upload tons of shit, as barefootsies said.. they do it to get virtual high-fives from their little online 'friends'.

                    if you people are so worried about your content... go look on IRC!
                    OK, so we know that the videos that the user who posted DWB's videos didnt own license...but the other 2300 videos, he or Manwich owned the license. This is fucking bullshit that simply defies common sense! If this fucking fabian shill really had sincere intention to clean up these sites he would immediately delete ALL of these videos . Instead, he is going to hide behind some bullshit DMCA law that isn't even a law. No one has a RIGHT to post videos on any site... it is the site operator who has editorial prerogative. Their is no free speech right to uploading porn.... it's just bullshit from nathan/fabian. He is a game player, and a smirking, smarmy little fuck.
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                    • seanchai
                      A Grooby Guy
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 397

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Nathan
                      DWB, as I said in the other thread. We ban the user currently. And ban things like email address to prevent the user signing up again. We do not, as far as I know, remove all content, actually, under DMCA law that might be a problem... but that is something I need to find out for sure, but did not have the time yet.

                      What a crock of bullshit. "Under DMCA law" ... ??? It is your site and your servers and your TOC - you can delete what you want, you fucking cunt.

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                      • borked
                        Totally Borked
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 6284

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Nathan
                        Yes it is, and no it is not breaking dmca rules, and no it does not mean we could find all infringing content too that way, because copyrighted is not the same as infringing.
                        So, if a video was uploaded with a watermark saying "This is content that cannot be re-distributed anywhere", it will never go live?

                        All the more reason folks to check in on the ideas being discussed/implemented in http://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=17593395

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                        • Nathan
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 3108

                          #87
                          Borked, if it is noticed, yes it would not go online, you are correct.

                          The others telling me how it's my site, how I have editorial rights, how I can decide what comes up or not... All of you, have not understood DMCA. It clearly says we can not select. So no, the USER has editorial rights, we do not, that's the whole point of a tube. We do have the right to screen for illegal content.

                          Possibly removing all content when banning a user for dmca is ok, but until I discuss it with our lawyers I can not comment on it.

                          Just because people on GFY want me to do something does not mean I will.
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                          - Charlie Munger

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                          • Robbie
                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 20960

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Nathan
                            The others telling me how it's my site, how I have editorial rights, how I can decide what comes up or not... All of you, have not understood DMCA.
                            I've owned websites a LOT longer than you have. And I've owned content a LOT longer than you have...unless you were a big site owner dating back to the mid-1990's.

                            And you are looking really dumb when you say you can't take something down off of your own site. Bullshit. And everyone knows that. There is NO law in existence that says you have to have anything on Pornhub. You could delete the entire site right now if you wanted to. You could decide to shut it down and take it offline if you wanted to...or does DMCA say you "can't" LOL

                            WTF kind of b.s. is this? Pornhub is just a website. One of millions. It isn't some kind of national treasure that must be protected at all costs. You can delete every video right now if you want to.

                            You could find JESUS today and decide it's going to be an all religious tube from now on and go in there and delete every porn video in the data base and replace them all with Christian videos. No law says you can't.

                            No way you're this damn dumb. I think you are just doing another version of trolling to piss people off.
                            Last edited by Robbie; 10-10-2010, 10:54 AM.
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                            • Matyko
                              PsyHead
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 8681

                              #89
                              Nathan you are a fucking thief and I hope you rot in jail soon with your friends.
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                              • seanchai
                                A Grooby Guy
                                • Jul 2005
                                • 397

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Nathan

                                Just because people on GFY want me to do something does not mean I will.
                                No but you could have the class and morals not to thieve our content. I used to have the class not to want to *!*^ you in the face if I came in contact with you ... yet I'd now encourage anybody whose content you've profited from, to do so!

                                You are a thief. You are using a gray area of the law as a loophole to get around it. Frankly, I'm surprised you can walk the streets without fearing what is coming up behind you.
                                Last edited by seanchai; 10-10-2010, 11:09 AM.

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