Nathan / Fabian - Please step inside. Time to step up to the plate.

Paul, give me the 23 links to the Top Bucks videos, I will talk to Allison myself and we will see what is happening.. Either its Vobile failing on them or they want them there... It's that simple..

You can email them to me too if you prefer instead of linking here... Or send them to Allison if that makes you happier.

And please, just because we own licenses to content does not mean we upload it to the tubes. I am also not saying we own any of the licenses to the videos in question, I said I simply do not know right now but we might, since we own a lot of licenses...

Please elaborate.

Please explain the delay. I'm aware of some possibilities but I'd like to hear what you say.

How about this. If the user that uploaded Dallas' movies also uploaded 2300 other movies don't you think some (ALL) were infringements too? If you ban the upload account you can sure as hell take the account's movies off. But until you do something like that you APPEAR to be a fucking liar. And with the rest of your song and dance you APPEAR not to be cleaning up the illegal shit with the your tubesites.

You can play with legal phrases all you want, but the APPEARANCE to everyone here is that you MIGHT BE a smarmy lowlife skirting the law. Because we all know if you took all of the media you dont have a license for off these site's, you would loose the backbone of the appeal of those sites. And because of this Fabian/Nathan, you have the appearance of being a fucking crook. Maybe I am wrong.

How is that Fabian/ Nathan?

Did you read what you just posted?

How could you POSSIBLY know the videos (in this case 2300+) uploaded by a random user, were videos you had the rights to or not?

This is not Youtube where mainstream movies can clearly be defined. This is 2300+ scenes of girls shot on a couch or a bed. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for you to know if you have the rights to these or not, unless, you are viewing each one, which means... ya dun goofed Nathan.

If you are viewing each video to see if you have the rights to it or not, that means you are also finding the videos you DO NOT have the rights to and are selectively not deleting them. By selectively looking for those you do have the rights to, you are also finding the ones you don't have the rights to and ignoring them, as they are now clearly pointed out as infringed videos, which as I believe is a violation of DMCA, is it not? You can not choose, however if you KNOW you don't have the rights to them, and it's not a partner account, it is there without permission.

I don't think you're stupid Nathan. Just the opposite, I think you guys are brilliant. In fact, you guys have pulled this amazing move off so well and now you get to put a legal face on it with the help of the FSC, there honestly needs to be a new word created for how fucking smart you guys are. I'm not kidding. How about... Brazilliant?

However, I do think you'll slip somewhere. Maybe not YOU, but someone who works for you. Too many lies for your company to keep, too many technical possibilities, too many people wanting your blood. Somewhere, there is an "i" that was not dotted or a "t" not crossed. Perhaps it will be a bug in your system or a lawsuit that sticks. But in the meantime, enjoy it. You guys honestly earned it, regardless if you did it all by raping everyone else in the process, the fact of the matter is, so far you have gotten away with it, and that is Brazilliant.

I've sent the email to both you and Allison. And asked these questions.

I would like a reply to whether this is pirated or licensed?

If pirated is this enough to ban and delete all this users content?

If licensed how much more of Top Bucks content is licensed to Manwin?

And if it's licensed then the uploader must be linked or employed by Manwin. Or are you saying someone not linked or employed to Manwin is allowed to upload licensed content?

I appreciate this is the weekend but these questions should be easy to answer. Does Top Bucks license content to Manwin? Fabian and Allison must know this.

Is this uploader employed by Manwin and is all his content licensed?

Why wont you people, in a situation like this, sue: User Name: rampaux

Sue him! the tube site will be subpoenaed for that users information. See what rabbit hole that leads you down. If you sue 100s of users it will be interesting to see what kind of information you get back from the site. The person uploading the content is breaking the law, no question, no one can contest that. Sue the users, make the site produce the documents and then see what you have.

DWB, you just posted the _EXACT REASON_ why DMCA EXISTS...

Thank you.

I can only speak for myself, but I simply do not have the funds to chase rabbit holes. I'd love to, but I don't roll like that.



Of course that's why it exists, because you can't police it all. I understand that. But that is not what we are talking about.

You may have the rights to those videos. So what I'm saying is, how do you know if you don't look at them? How do you know someone is not loading child porn onto your server? How do you know if you had a license to my videos or not? How do you know if you don't look at them? Do you just assume you have a license to every video in the world until you are told otherwise?

It comes down to two options, and we all know which one is the accurate one:

1) You don't police the video at all until a video is flagged by a copyright owner or a site user. In which case why do you buy a license at all for any content?

2) You look at every video in search for the ones you have a license for. If you have a license, you leave it. If you don't and it's not on a partner account, you know it's stolen, pretend it isn't, and leave it anyway until someone sends you a notice.

So why look at all right?

In a word, that is unethical in every sense of the word, and you know it.

That is stealing until you get caught, which carries no consequences because of one flawed law. It's hard to say you are not a thief when you operate in this manner.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

Don't bother replying, I have read enough to see it's business as usual for the pirate kings.

Forgot to add to my first reply on this...

Do you think a multi-million dollar company like Manwin is going to take the risk and have users uploading from their office? It will be spread out, probably across the world, impossible to track. They are brazilliant and ripping people off and have had plenty of time to get their ducks in a row, and now currently, protect their assets with this Mansef to Manwin change.

DWB,

As a side note, we do not upload content we do not own licenses to ourselves..

Regarding your question, the point of DMCA is that as long as a third party uploads content, we can not know what rights that uploader has... On top of that, us owning licenses makes it even harder...

Content is checked for illegal content, like child porn or beastiality. Stuff we miss the community flags and it is removed.

Please tell us more about how you check the videos and your policies and methods. For instance is each new video checked for Child Porn and Bestiality by your staff?

Yes it is, and no it is not breaking dmca rules, and no it does not mean we could find all infringing content too that way, because copyrighted is not the same as infringing.

Thanks. I didn't mean to imply that you were breaking DMCA rules. So is it accurate to say that each new video is manually checked by a member of your staff prior to being accessible by the general public? Or are videos immediately activated and later checked ASAP? What would you say is the average turnaround time for a new video to be checked (if it is not initially disabled prior to being checked by pornhub staff?)

Also if you would please answer my questions regarding the "anonymous" account I would be grateful.

I'm just trying to understand how it all works and what the process is.

I do not have answers for these right now, I will find out for you. I do not occupy myself personally with exact procedures, just general things.

Understood. I'll check back later in the week and bookmark the topic.