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dyna mo 10-07-2010 12:11 PM
also, i eat ~450g carbs daily. no starches though.

The Demon 10-07-2010 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17584533)
Look douche. "Nobody said..." as in "that was not part of the conversation between me and someone else" which YOU decided to chime into with unrelated remarks. And we were not talking about cyclical diets but the simple issues surrounding process of fat oxidation and fueling the brain while in a state of ketosis.

You apparently were replying to me - not within the context of anything i said, but in the context of something you said which I didn't even read - which made no sense to me being it had nothing to do with our discussion. And you are just regurgitating the usual bodybuilding board bullshit and dismiss some of the worlds foremost authorities on keto diets and cyclic keto diets (the two authors i mentioned specifically in addition to every medical study i could find was Dan Douchaine and Lyle McDonald, both who are experts on the topic) as "bro science". Odd that you are such an expert on the topic and have no idea who these people are.





No idea what "articles" you are talking about. I was talking about books on the topic by body builders and published studies by physicians and medical researchers.

Again, you said it took 2 weeks to get into ketosis - when it typically takes 48-72hrs. Anyone that has even done it knows that. A prime indication that you are a dipshit largely making things up as you go based off shit you skimmed from a board of overheard in locker rooms. Then you said you needed to Carb up after two weeks (the same point you say you are entering ketosis). Saying that basically, once you are FINALLY in ketosis, you then completely reverse the process and put yourself back to the beginning, requiring another two weeks (according to you) to get back into ketosis. More indication of your ignorance. Furthermore, cyclical diets are most typically done in 7 day cycles, not 14. 3 days to deplete glucose, 3 days to burn fat, 1 day to carb up and repeat. So again, you're lost. And all of that has nothing to do with the brain fog i mentioned that one will usually start to experience in the first two weeks or so due to your brain trying to adjust, down regulate and use a new fuel source. It goes hand in hand with being in ketosis.



Yeah... I have an education and you have a "certification" - so who could question you and your 4 week internet course you completed to be able to meet the insurance requirements to train people in a gym? Good god.
You had to write an essay to show people your reading comprehension skills suck and to attempt a bunch of humorous yet simple minded insults? ROFL. Nice strawman arguments though.:1orglaugh

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Cory W 10-07-2010 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17584554)
if you get a chance and find some, that would be super. i love learning more about nutrition!

:thumbsup
I am pretty new to the realities of it all, to be honest. I never read GFY anymore, but when I did, this has been pretty much the only thread I cared about.

I just turned 35. When I was around 27, I started doing Atkins. I took a lot of crap from people. Lots of people telling me how unhealthy it was. What was strange? I felt and looked amazing. I had a bad issue with facial and stomach bloating and that all somewhat went away on Atkins (not full, but I got in about 4 good days week). Looking back, what actually happened was that I was minimizing things like Gluten that made my puffy and distended.

After that, I began realizing that my initial instincts were right, I just didn't know exactly why. Now I go by how my body feels and don't listen to popular beliefs. So I love this thread, and while debate has ensued, I consider it more of a like-minded affair.

Cory W 10-07-2010 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17584560)
also, i eat ~450g carbs daily. no starches though.
Are his carbs more or less what you would expect of him?

http://www.befreeforme.com/blog/?p=2110

dyna mo 10-07-2010 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cory W (Post 17584580)
Are his carbs more or less what you would expect of him?

http://www.befreeforme.com/blog/?p=2110
yes.

while i am not sure what the gluten-free items consist of, he including grits and potatoes and rice into his diet.

and tons of fruit, which i am a big fan of. i am a bit surprised re: the amount of soy protein in his diet, as it is an incomplete protein.

but i like how he consumes mangosteen, it's a terrific berry loaded with antioxidants.

good article, thanks for sharing that.

jwerd 10-07-2010 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17584506)
Hey J, yeah Jen saw on your FB you were doing something similar :)

I'm not much of a coconut fan, but willing to try it out - thanks
awesome, yeah. it might be a little tastier than just cauliflower :p although i've learned to really enjoy heaps of veggies in my food now (main source of carb intake, actually).

andrej_NDC 10-07-2010 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17584446)
Yea that's to be expected. I find my best workout day is the day after the carb up when my muscle glycogen levels are replenished. So Monday and Tuesday I would think. But yea generally on CKD you have to sacrifice some strength because of the lack of carbs/energy. That's why every 3 months I switch from CKD back to strength training.
How often do you do CKD? For how long?

I love the first carb up day...when I'm pumped up after the work out and fill my body with carbs...I feel huge at that moment.

TeenSluts 10-07-2010 12:59 PM
keto makes my piss smell reeaally bad

try some carb cycling when your lifting weights

andrej_NDC 10-07-2010 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TeenSluts (Post 17584794)
keto makes my piss smell reeaally bad

try some carb cycling when your lifting weights
Carb cycling is a nightmare...you need to calculate your carbs for every day in advance, then weight every food, its pretty much a full time job, you won't have time/energy for anything else. Its just too complicated with the same or even a little worse result than with CKD.

The Demon 10-07-2010 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 17584773)
How often do you do CKD? For how long?

I love the first carb up day...when I'm pumped up after the work out and fill my body with carbs...I feel huge at that moment.
I've been on CKD for almost 3 months now. I'm going as long as I need to get to 10% body fat (I'm at about 14% now). Before that I did strength training. I lost most of my gains in favor of supersets and fat loss so after CKD I'll get back on strength training.

SCORE Ralph 10-07-2010 02:47 PM
Ive been a diabetic for over 10 years... I know that acetone taste when your sugar is high and that its related to keto-ACI-dosis (as opposed to Ketosis). How are these 2 related? Just curious if this is a good thing to try as a diabetic (aside from your personal experience being diabetic for 26 years).

dyna mo 10-07-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralph - GetScoreCash (Post 17585209)
Ive been a diabetic for over 10 years... I know that acetone taste when your sugar is high and that its related to keto-ACI-dosis (as opposed to Ketosis). How are these 2 related? Just curious if this is a good thing to try as a diabetic (aside from your personal experience being diabetic for 26 years).
ketoacidosis does not occur for folks who are not diabetic. it is an extreme level of ketosis build up. with someone who is not diabetic, their natural production of insulin keeps the ketosis in check.

i did really well on the keto diet- mostly due to the ultra low carb intake. my insulin requirement is directly related to how many carbs i consume, so even though i was not exercising while on the keto, i was not needing to shoot as much insulin as i was prior.

:)

SCORE Ralph 10-07-2010 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17585269)
ketoacidosis does not occur for folks who are not diabetic. it is an extreme level of ketosis build up. with someone who is not diabetic, their natural production of insulin keeps the ketosis in check.
Yea, I know that, question was relative to diabetics.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17585269)
i did really well on the keto diet- mostly due to the ultra low carb intake. my insulin requirement is directly related to how many carbs i consume, so even though i was not exercising while on the keto, i was not needing to shoot as much insulin as i was prior. :)
Im on the pump actually, so I do carb-to-insulin ratios as well. But my question was more about the ketoacidosis... for so many years Ive heard 'ketoacidosis bad bad bad', how do you control your body to not get to that point (an extreme level of ketosis); whats the balance?

dyna mo 10-07-2010 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralph - GetScoreCash (Post 17585294)
Yea, I know that, question was relative to diabetics.



Im on the pump actually, so I do carb-to-insulin ratios as well. But my question was more about the ketoacidosis... for so many years Ive heard 'ketoacidosis bad bad bad', how do you control your body to not get to that point (an extreme level of ketosis); whats the balance?
ketoacidosis is bad. i'm not really comfortable making a suggestion to you about it, in all honesty, diabetes is serious business. i didn't have any problems going ketoacidotic while on the diet. but i've never really had problems with ketoacidosis, there's been times when my blood sugar was 350 to off the scale and i was not in ketoacidosis.

perhaps run it by your endo/nurse practitioner. :)

dyna mo 10-07-2010 03:20 PM
here is some more info from a diabetes board i hang out at

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4- If so, what are the signs and how does one KNOW it isn't just plain 'ketosis' from dieting showing on the ketostix?
Someone following a controlled carb diet in ketosis would never be in ketoacidosis so this is something you don?t have to be concerned with. DKA is typically characterized by hyperglycemia over 300 mg/dL, low bicarbonate (<15 mEq/L), and acidosis (pH <7.30) with ketonemia and ketonuria. The ketonuria (ketones in the urine) is a result of the DKA, not a cause. Ketones in the urine of those following a carb controlled diet would never reach the amount of ketones in the urine of someone in DKA.

5- Can ketosis in a diabetic INDICATE ketoacedosis or the posibility of it in the future [in type 2.... OR type 1].
Not at all. Ketoacidosis in a diabetic is a result of extremely high blood sugar which interferes with the ph of the blood. It does not cause ketosis. The only similarity between ketosis and ketoacidosis is that they both result in ketonuria.

6- Can a diabetic being IN ketosis be dangerous and bring on ketoacidosis if ketosis continues, and especially at a high level..... and indefinite time, like months... or ALWAYS being in ketosis in future.
A diabetic needs to be concerned with their blood sugar, as this is what can trigger ketoacidosis. Ketosis will not trigger ketoacidosis.

7- Can too many keytones from dieting actually CAUSE ketoacidosis in a diabetic?
Not at all, for the reasons I described above. Ketosis and ketones do not cause ketoacidosis. They are two separate things which are often confused because of the similarity of their names.

SCORE Ralph 10-07-2010 03:24 PM
Excellent post. Gonna have to look into this.

dyna mo 10-07-2010 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ralph - GetScoreCash (Post 17585351)
Excellent post. Gonna have to look into this.
i found this video to be a good explanation re: keto diets and diabetes


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