So the us government can seize any domain name? - GoFuckYourself.com

madawgz · 10-04-2010, 11:55 PM

Let me get this clear,

if you have a domain name, .com, .net, .org or if the registrar you have is based in the good ol' USA they can seize your domain name without warning or court decision?

for example this was an alexa top 1000 website

http://www.filespump.com/

and it was seized because they deemed it to be illegal

Filespump only had a crawler to gather links from megaupload, rapidshare etc and put those links in their search engine, the site didnt host anything.

GatorB · 10-04-2010, 11:58 PM

Let me ask you this, if all yo did was hook up drug dealers and drug users but you never sold any drugs could you be arrested? Yes.

Ron Bennett · 10-05-2010, 12:02 AM

It's worse than that - domain registrars themselves, voluntarily, without a court order, can seize domains.

Just recently, eNom (includes most NameCheap customers too, since they're an eNom reseller) has apparently stepped up suspending domains based on accusations alone from a site called LegitScript - NOT court order, but mere accusation is enough to be suspended at eNom / NameCheap.

http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and...ins-based.html

And while it's easy to dismiss such suspensions as one-offs, see page 2 of that above thread and the link below - domain registrars are under pressure by the U.S. White House administration to voluntarily suspend domains for numerous reasons.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ng-sites.shtml

Ron

madawgz · 10-05-2010, 12:02 AM

oh and heres the article talking about it

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-a...-by-us-100707/

madawgz · 10-05-2010, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

It's worse than that - domain registrars themselves, voluntarily, without a court order, can seize domains.

Just recently, eNom (includes most NameCheap customers too, since they're an eNom reseller) has apparently stepped up suspending domains based on accusations alone from a site called LegitScript - NOT court order, but mere accusation is enough to be suspended at eNom / NameCheap.

http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and...ins-based.html

And while it's easy to dismiss such suspensions as one-offs, see page 2 of that above thread and the link below - domain registrars are under pressure by the U.S. White House administration to voluntarily suspend domains for numerous reasons.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ng-sites.shtml

Ron

holy fuck

this calls for another american flag

pirx · 10-05-2010, 12:07 AM

All illegal to die

fris · 10-05-2010, 12:08 AM

serves them right

madawgz · 10-05-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fris

serves them right

so i guess google.com should be next on the seize list.

PXN · 10-05-2010, 12:24 AM

good then they can seize all the other file sharing site and tube site. That'll make SteveLightspeed job easier.

Mr. Cool Ice · 10-05-2010, 12:40 AM

The USA does whatever she wants.

Close the thread.

madawgz · 10-05-2010, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice

The USA does whatever she wants.

Close the thread.

they keep pushing and pushing...

GatorB · 10-05-2010, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by madawgz

they keep pushing and pushing...

Pushing what? Enforcing laws? Or perhaps you are FOR copyright infringment? As I said if you take a friend that wants some pot and introduce him to a pot dealer then leave. Even though you had nothing to do with the actual drug transaction you can be arrested. How is this different?

BlackCrayon · 10-05-2010, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Pushing what? Enforcing laws? Or perhaps you are FOR copyright infringment? As I said if you take a friend that wants some pot and introduce him to a pot dealer then leave. Even though you had nothing to do with the actual drug transaction you can be arrested. How is this different?

wouldn't google be guilty of this as well then?

GatorB · 10-05-2010, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

wouldn't google be guilty of this as well then?

Google doesn't link to files. That would be like the phone book company liable for listing the number of guy who turns out to be a child molester.

BlackCrayon · 10-05-2010, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Google doesn't link to files. That would be like the phone book company liable for listing the number of guy who turns out to be a child molester.

they often directly list megaupload/mediafire links which would be just as direct as if they were listed on a website.

georgeyw · 10-05-2010, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Google doesn't link to files. That would be like the phone book company liable for listing the number of guy who turns out to be a child molester.

Google does link to files - try it for yourself.

Bing is a great tube site too

Sly · 10-05-2010, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

they often directly list megaupload/mediafire links which would be just as direct as if they were listed on a website.

They list "illegal" sites and material based on their algorithm but it is not something that they specialize in and purposely seek out to do. Nobody is sitting behind a desk at Google saying "how can we give copyright materials to the masses for free?" Whereas some of these other sites...

Intent can be the difference between a tragic car accident and murder.

Ethersync · 10-05-2010, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Google doesn't link to files. That would be like the phone book company liable for listing the number of guy who turns out to be a child molester.

Google does link to files and tons of porn, much illegal, in their image search as well.

Here are 1.6 million Hotfile links in Google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:hotfile.com/dl

Here are 2.6 million Fileserve links in Google:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:...serve.com/file

BlackCrayon · 10-05-2010, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

They list "illegal" sites and material based on their algorithm but it is not something that they specialize in and purposely seek out to do. Nobody is sitting behind a desk at Google saying "how can we give copyright materials to the masses for free?" Whereas some of these other sites...

Intent can be the difference between a tragic car accident and murder.

that may fly because they are the almighty google but it sure as hell wouldn't for people like myself or you. these guys running these file sharing search engines aren't purposely trying to get stuff to people for free. they just know tons of people are searching for this stuff but they would be better off to just use a bunch of fake links.

madawgz · 10-05-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

wouldn't google be guilty of this as well then?

thats what i was going to say

Phoenix · 10-05-2010, 11:53 AM

seems the usa...and companies within it...are free to rape and pillage anywhere they want in the world

too bad i got involved in porn...id love to get into politics

ottopottomouse · 10-05-2010, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Google doesn't link to files

Course they do.

itx · 10-05-2010, 12:03 PM

Yes they can better use a domain registrar outside USA.

MetaMan · 10-05-2010, 12:05 PM

Lobbyists and politicains until you have both in your pocket you always have a risk of losing your business. People always say "illegal illegal" and im not for copyright infringement but when you allow the government to deem more and more things illegal they will do just that.

as they push more laws in they force more control on the population for the people who pad their pockets.

never forget anything can be made illegal. i am not in agreeance with government pushing more and more controlling laws on the population and governments pushing it on the world.

BFT3K · 10-05-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

too bad i got involved in porn...id love to get into politics

Problem is people with morals don't do well in politics - it's much too cut-throat and dirty.

The reality is, porn is the cleaner business to be in BY FAR!

EZRhino · 10-05-2010, 12:09 PM

Thats some fucked up shit.

madawgz · 10-05-2010, 12:40 PM

it probably took the guy quite some time to put the site together

and he lost his monthly revenue when it was seized, probably over 1000 dollars a day!

madawgz · 10-05-2010, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itx

Yes they can better use a domain registrar outside USA.

even if you register outside the states

.com, .net, .org and .us are still under the usa's laws

correct me if im wrong?

Nasty · 10-05-2010, 01:30 PM

I'm surprised they didn't take it over and keep it open to collect info on users

Quote:

Originally Posted by madawgz

Let me get this clear,

if you have a domain name, .com, .net, .org or if the registrar you have is based in the good ol' USA they can seize your domain name without warning or court decision?

for example this was an alexa top 1000 website

http://www.filespump.com/

and it was seized because they deemed it to be illegal

Filespump only had a crawler to gather links from megaupload, rapidshare etc and put those links in their search engine, the site didnt host anything.

MediaGuy · 11-28-2010, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Pushing what? Enforcing laws? Or perhaps you are FOR copyright infringment? As I said if you take a friend that wants some pot and introduce him to a pot dealer then leave. Even though you had nothing to do with the actual drug transaction you can be arrested. How is this different?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Let me ask you this, if all yo did was hook up drug dealers and drug users but you never sold any drugs could you be arrested? Yes.

You would still have to go before a judge before you fined or threw the "offender" in jail. You would have to be "arrested". What DHS did was seize first and investigate after (some of those sites are back online now).

Oh, and...

WHAT the fuck does the US Department of Homeland Security have to do with copyright infringement, file sharing or anything other than so-called terrorist threats?!?!?!?!?!?

:D

MediaGuy · 11-28-2010, 07:52 AM

Sign this: http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/

:D

just a punk · 11-28-2010, 07:58 AM

Somebody please tell the feds about http://pornolab.net/!!!

datatank · 11-28-2010, 08:14 AM

it does not matter where your registar is located

salvo visalli · 11-28-2010, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

Let me ask you this, if all yo did was hook up drug dealers and drug users but you never sold any drugs could you be arrested? Yes.

the same here...

salvo visalli · 11-28-2010, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madawgz

so i guess google.com should be next on the seize list.

hope so...

izzynew · 11-28-2010, 08:47 AM

So the us government can seize any domain name?
In a word Yes.

Elliot Caine · 11-28-2010, 09:00 AM

What justification to bit torrent/file sharing users have? They always say freedom is at stake, but for a soon to be content provider, I'm extremely happy they are finally doing something about it.

I knew it was coming. The music industry has been cut nearly in half since early 2000 from pirating. There are much larger interests than porn at stake here but I'm happy we are all going to benefit as well.

Barry-xlovecam · 11-28-2010, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

wouldn't google be guilty of this as well then?

Google search or images contains some results to/of infringing content but this is incidental to its main function of indexing. Goggle does remove infringing indexing when notified. In short, Google has safe harbor.

The word seize means to arrest. Due process would apply to recover the domain. The US has no jurisdiction outside of its borders generally. However, the domain's DNS can be blocked in ISP look ups on US soil.

VGeorgie · 11-28-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

WHAT the fuck does the US Department of Homeland Security have to do with copyright infringement, file sharing or anything other than so-called terrorist threats?!?!?!?!?!?

The US Customs department has always had jurisdiction over counterfeit goods and pirated material entering the country or circulating within the country. Since 2003 they've been a part of Department of Homeland Security, so naturally DHS now has jurisdiction.

Not rocket science, and it's hardly as if they keep this stuff a secret.

andrej_NDC · 11-28-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

it does not matter where your registar is located

Not true, US government can only seize domains that belong to them, .com, etc. And yes, they can do whatever they want with no valid reason or explanation whatsoever, because of the patriot act.

Cash4Me · 11-28-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by izzynew

So the us government can seize any domain name?
In a word Yes.

Absolutely no, this is simply an act of force.
A domain is a private asset, like an house.
If a site contains illegal stuff the only viable way is to sue the owner or force the local ISPs to redirect to a warning page.
Why don't they seize big G, because big G has great lawyers who make anyone cry

DWB · 11-28-2010, 03:57 PM

The rest of the world still doesn't understand, the USA does WHATEVER she wants. She has a big dick, and even though it is deep in debt, she tosses it all over the world when she wants something and NO ONE will stop her. But if they try, she fucks them in the ass.

There is but one flag on the moon and it's red, white and blue. The USA owns earth, the moon and the whole God damned universe, and that includes the internets. Both of them. So don't think for a nanosecond that she won't snatch your domain should she wake up one morning and decide she wants it.

DWB · 11-28-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cash4Me

A domain is a private asset, like an house.

And she'll take your house and call it Imminent Domain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash4Me

Why don't they seize big G, because big G has great lawyers who make anyone cry

If she wants Google, she will take it. Right now she doesn't want it. She'll look into it later when it becomes a threat to national security. At the very least, she'll put her dirty hands all over it and try to control it, just like China did.

marlboroack · 11-28-2010, 04:22 PM

HFS WTF Y? USA FTW?

WarChild · 11-28-2010, 04:30 PM

I guess you're worried because you mainly run Warez sites?

Agent 488 · 11-28-2010, 04:33 PM

as i predicted they just moved to new domains and got the world out via twitter and facebook.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/27/ice-ice-baby/

"Domains under US jurisdiction currently include anything controlled by Verisign which puts .com site owners in a legal relationship with the United States. According to Denninger, all afflicted site owners need to do is move to a non-US controlled top level domain in order to dodge further ICE seizures."

Cash4Me · 11-28-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

I guess you're worried because you mainly run Warez sites?

Everyone should be worried.
Think about a forum owned by yourself and an idiot user shares a link to a free storage link.
You are now in charge for that link and the domain seized.

kektex · 11-28-2010, 05:33 PM

Ill say it once again: I cant believe there are shortsighted porn webmasters that support this.
I hope this causes changes in ICANN soon. It cant remain in the hands of the US.

moeloubani · 11-28-2010, 05:36 PM

Yeah this is horrible...what if something is passed where they don't like a porn site so they just take your domain and then you have to get it back by going through the 'process' paying this and this to file this and then waiting 3-6 months to hear that this and this needs to be done and so on and so forth. The internet should be global - no one country should have any authority to fuck with it and censor it.

Agent 488 · 11-28-2010, 05:47 PM

icann in the hands of the US is a weapon of mass destruction.

10-04-2010, 11:55 PM	#1
madawgz 8.8.8.8 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noordermarkt Posts: 30,509	So the us government can seize any domain name? Let me get this clear, if you have a domain name, .com, .net, .org or if the registrar you have is based in the good ol' USA they can seize your domain name without warning or court decision? for example this was an alexa top 1000 website http://www.filespump.com/ and it was seized because they deemed it to be illegal Filespump only had a crawler to gather links from megaupload, rapidshare etc and put those links in their search engine, the site didnt host anything. __________________ TAEMDLRMSKRJIXMRLSMRJ.

10-05-2010, 12:02 AM	#3
Ron Bennett Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,653	It's worse than that - domain registrars themselves, voluntarily, without a court order, can seize domains. Just recently, eNom (includes most NameCheap customers too, since they're an eNom reseller) has apparently stepped up suspending domains based on accusations alone from a site called LegitScript - NOT court order, but mere accusation is enough to be suspended at eNom / NameCheap. http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and...ins-based.html And while it's easy to dismiss such suspensions as one-offs, see page 2 of that above thread and the link below - domain registrars are under pressure by the U.S. White House administration to voluntarily suspend domains for numerous reasons. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...ng-sites.shtml Ron __________________ Domagon - Website Management and Domain Name Sales

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PXN Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,548	good then they can seize all the other file sharing site and tube site. That'll make SteveLightspeed job easier.

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MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	Lobbyists and politicains until you have both in your pocket you always have a risk of losing your business. People always say "illegal illegal" and im not for copyright infringement but when you allow the government to deem more and more things illegal they will do just that. as they push more laws in they force more control on the population for the people who pad their pockets. never forget anything can be made illegal. i am not in agreeance with government pushing more and more controlling laws on the population and governments pushing it on the world.

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madawgz 8.8.8.8 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noordermarkt Posts: 30,509	it probably took the guy quite some time to put the site together and he lost his monthly revenue when it was seized, probably over 1000 dollars a day! __________________ TAEMDLRMSKRJIXMRLSMRJ.

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Elliot Caine Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 39	What justification to bit torrent/file sharing users have? They always say freedom is at stake, but for a soon to be content provider, I'm extremely happy they are finally doing something about it. I knew it was coming. The music industry has been cut nearly in half since early 2000 from pirating. There are much larger interests than porn at stake here but I'm happy we are all going to benefit as well.

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	The rest of the world still doesn't understand, the USA does WHATEVER she wants. She has a big dick, and even though it is deep in debt, she tosses it all over the world when she wants something and NO ONE will stop her. But if they try, she fucks them in the ass. There is but one flag on the moon and it's red, white and blue. The USA owns earth, the moon and the whole God damned universe, and that includes the internets. Both of them. So don't think for a nanosecond that she won't snatch your domain should she wake up one morning and decide she wants it.

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marlboroack So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ☣ Posts: 9,327	HFS WTF Y? USA FTW?

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	as i predicted they just moved to new domains and got the world out via twitter and facebook. http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/27/ice-ice-baby/ "Domains under US jurisdiction currently include anything controlled by Verisign which puts .com site owners in a legal relationship with the United States. According to Denninger, all afflicted site owners need to do is move to a non-US controlled top level domain in order to dodge further ICE seizures."

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moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	Yeah this is horrible...what if something is passed where they don't like a porn site so they just take your domain and then you have to get it back by going through the 'process' paying this and this to file this and then waiting 3-6 months to hear that this and this needs to be done and so on and so forth. The internet should be global - no one country should have any authority to fuck with it and censor it.

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	icann in the hands of the US is a weapon of mass destruction.