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|  10-04-2010, 07:57 PM | #51 | 
| Choice is an Illusion Industry Role:  Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama 
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				 |   True dat. The question will be, who's on deck to step up? | 
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|  10-04-2010, 07:58 PM | #52 | 
| BACON BACON BACON Industry Role:  Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet 
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				 | 50 dead epasses | 
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|  10-04-2010, 07:59 PM | #53 | 
| So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mexifornia 
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|  10-04-2010, 07:59 PM | #54 | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:02 PM | #55 | 
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				 | too bad DEA got banned.... he would have had a field day with this | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:02 PM | #56 | 
| Coupon Guru Industry Role:  Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis 
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				 | There's no way people would trust him with another epass-type business. I know I wouldn't anyways. 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:05 PM | #57 | 
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				 | well we all knew this was a probability. It is a shame and good while it lasted   | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:07 PM | #58 | 
| So Fucking Banned Industry Role:  Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In A Galaxie Far, Far Away! 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:08 PM | #59 | |
| Coupon Guru Industry Role:  Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis 
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 Was nice while it lasted. 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:10 PM | #60 | |
| HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role:  Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane 
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  its too bad that joel and clay took the higher ground and didnt say what needed to be said... . | |
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|  10-04-2010, 08:12 PM | #61 | 
| Confirmed User Industry Role:  Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas 
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				 | No big surprise....... but the end sure came fast. 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:12 PM | #62 | 
| So Fucking Banned Industry Role:  Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In A Galaxie Far, Far Away! 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:12 PM | #63 | 
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				 | hopefully we'll find out. Maybe someone will write a tell-all book. 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:13 PM | #64 | 
| So Fucking Banned Industry Role:  Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In A Galaxie Far, Far Away! 
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				 |   I think you mean the LOWER GROUND! | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:14 PM | #65 | 
| Registered User Industry Role:  Join Date: Feb 2006 
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				 | rolling stone should do an article - porn, international banks, hollywood, drugs, ego and hubris. | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:17 PM | #66 | 
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				 | poor Michael O... hope you are surviving amigo.. 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:17 PM | #67 | 
| Programming King Pin Industry Role:  Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal 
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				 | We are fucked! 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:18 PM | #68 | 
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				 | will withdrawal to credit card still work? Michael ? | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:19 PM | #69 | 
| Coupon Guru Industry Role:  Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis 
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				 | the message says they still have staff working on that stuff. Get your request in asap  Best of luck to anyone that has wallet funds left. 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:20 PM | #70 | 
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				 | Lets see what the bank does. Wires more likely than cards back on i would guess. 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:22 PM | #71 | 
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				 | they've already stated they'll turn the cards back on Oct 6th. I have no reason to not believe that at this point. 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:23 PM | #72 | 
| So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mexifornia 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:25 PM | #73 | 
| Coupon Guru Industry Role:  Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis 
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				 | https://www.sknanb.com/message.htm It is still expected that from Wednesday, October 6th, the overwhelming majority of cardholders will be able to access the funds on their Visa Card using their existing virtual card and/or physical card(s), without providing SKNANB further information. A small percentage of cardholders will be asked to provide certain confirming information. SKNANB prepaid cardholders should continue to check this site for further updates. 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:27 PM | #74 | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:27 PM | #75 | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:27 PM | #76 | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:31 PM | #77 | 
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				 |  in charge of your money. | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:31 PM | #78 | |
| Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role:  Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA 
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 Still no word from Chris. If everyone does get paid back their wallet money than kudos to Chris and crew. But we will have to wait to see how many people do get their money back and why some people have been waiting over a month for their wires... 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:33 PM | #79 | 
| Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role:  Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA 
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				 | why not, the people involved with billing and transactions in this industry fuck up and start over a lot and people continue to use them... most anyway. I don't, you wont, but most do. 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:36 PM | #80 | 
| Confirmed User Industry Role:  Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia 
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				 | Any update for St Kitts about getting funds back? | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:45 PM | #81 | 
| making it rain Industry Role:  Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle 
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				 | Given the new DOJ clamp down on money transferring and Obama's hardon for offshore banks, I don't think he would want to get back into this business.  Starting an epass-like business is 100x harder today than it was 7 years ago. | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:46 PM | #82 | 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:51 PM | #83 | 
| Coupon Guru Industry Role:  Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:51 PM | #84 | |
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 I dont even think epass has enough money to give us all our money back... I hope at least i can get my visa money out tomorrow.. | |
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|  10-04-2010, 08:56 PM | #85 | 
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				 | brutal situation 
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|  10-04-2010, 08:59 PM | #86 | 
| Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role:  Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area 
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				 | Oh swell, check out what Dwight Venner et al, did in the wake of the R. Allen Stanford ponzi scam (2nd only to the Bernie Maddoff scam), facilitated by Caribbean offshore banks: Stanford receiver tells investors they can?t cash out    ADG | 
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|  10-04-2010, 09:01 PM | #87 | 
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				 | Yeh. Because there is no many alternatives. Not many institutions wish to work with adult. 
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|  10-04-2010, 09:02 PM | #88 | 
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				 | oh and one more thing: isnt the timing strange again? Tmr the visa functionality will be turned on again and today we get "epass is closing" message. I might be stretching things here but what if epass closed doors so they would not need to restore their wallet to vv functionality again? I mean the bank could easily open a one way (wallet to vv) link between them and epass so we could all transfer money to our vv accounts. since i believe epass doesn't even have enough money to pay us all back they dont like this solution so they just closed the doors since they would have no excuses anymore. This way most of us wont get back any money anyway - we have people here waiting for a month and not getting a replies, yet alone wires... Just a thought though...the timing really is weird ;) oh and Michael, it is over now, you can spill the beans now, it would be only fair  | 
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|  10-04-2010, 09:08 PM | #89 | 
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|  10-04-2010, 09:13 PM | #90 | |
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|  10-04-2010, 09:17 PM | #91 | 
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				 | yeah, but not unexpected after what happened last month. 
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|  10-04-2010, 09:20 PM | #93 | 
| Coupon Guru Industry Role:  Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minneapolis 
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				 | the virtual visa money? https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/990617-sknanb-message-virtual-cards.html The bank is turning on the cards Oct 6th. 
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|  10-04-2010, 09:23 PM | #94 | 
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|  10-04-2010, 09:29 PM | #95 | 
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				 | Fucking Epassporte, those mother fuckers. I knew this is exactly what they would do. | 
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|  10-04-2010, 09:29 PM | #96 | 
| Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role:  Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden 
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				 | Sucks balls 
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|  10-04-2010, 09:45 PM | #97 | 
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				 | I'm not surprised by ePassport behaviour here, but by alleged porn industry i-know-it-all peeps who celebrated ePass for years until today, when they scream at ePass ppl and by porn industry million-dollar corps who passed from ePass to a similar thingy with the astonishing "ePass is dead? we're proud to introduce a similar thingy" statement. For the first ones: ePass clearly stated on their Tos and signup page that you needed a US cheque bank account in order to use the service; they never spoke about other options on their site, they never officially offered the abused have-someone-to-load-your-account option in order to get approved; they said that everybody who was emailing them, but they did that clearly breaking their own Tos. Now, you're surprised that Visa cut them off? Ever thought of the possibility that all this happened because they were breaking their own in-house rules and that those rules were a conditio sine qua non imposed by Visa in first place? And about the second ones...why a multi-million corp wouldn't allow a wire transfer and would rather use ePass, a similar thingy and very dangerous stuff like that, even if you offered to pay wire transfer fees in full? I love it when the adult industry tries to be ahead of the mainstream one, but when it comes to money and the money that we are talking about is my money, the adult industry should stop behaving Star Trek and Alice in Wonderland and should rather do Business instead of feeding ppl with doubts and fear. Too easy to cry after; much easier to prevent before. | 
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|  10-04-2010, 09:49 PM | #98 | 
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				 | i'm really sad to see this happening... but we all saw it once the link between epass and the bank was definitely cut off on sept 23rd. It's a big loss to this industry as a whole and another reason to get out and find more profitable and stable job asap. I hope I'll get my VISA money through the bank and I'll be gone for good. RIP epass...  
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|  10-04-2010, 09:59 PM | #99 | 
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				 | Lack of revenue and circumstances beyond our control? Wasn't epassporte's core business p2p money transfers? It sounds from the closure notice that the virtual visa was the primary source of revenues. Something doesn't seem right here to me, losing a secondary revenue source is one thing, but to shut down the entire business? Odd to me. WG 
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|  10-04-2010, 10:02 PM | #100 | |
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