Why VISA will continue to assfuck us. - GoFuckYourself.com

mpegposter · 01-10-2003, 05:53 PM

I quote:

"Special Offer to new Members!!!!
Click here to signup for a 3 day No Charge Membership to Full On Movies - Three Day No Charge Trial Membership. After 3 days, Membership renews automatically at $40.00 every 1 month.
Click here to signup for a 3 day No Charge Membership to E-Help Shop - Three Day Trial Membership. After 3 days, Membership renews automatically at $18.92 every 1 month.

(Please be patient after submitting the form.. this might take up to 2 minutes)

There is NO CHARGE for the intial 30 minute preview. After the preview you will receive a 1 day trial membership for only $10.00(unless cancelled). Thereafter you will be billed $40.00 every 1 month(s) until cancelled."

The funniest thing about this is that the programs use schemes like this JUST SO THEY CAN GET AFFILIATES! If they weren't promising $50 per free signup they'd never need all these little surfer scams to make up for it.

Why bother being original and getting sites that convert on revenue sharing models when you can buy a bunch of plugins and charge your surfer a whopping ONE HUNDRED AND NINE bucks within 3 days of filling out a form on your website.

This has got to stop, these people will not only somehow manage to keep processing (Epoch should definitely be ashamed of themselves for allowing this kind of thing) but they'll just come up with more ways to screw the surfer.

That's about all I have to say about this. If anyone somehow feels this is okay, go for it.

ColKurtz · 01-10-2003, 05:59 PM

I agree with you but I belive in evolution. A lot of these guys are gonna die a slow death like a short necked giraffe.

When it comes to paysites, I used to believe in doing what it takes to get signups and not even give a shit about the members. I still dont really give a shit about them, but they must be kept happy. Good customer service, very high quality content, various different incentives to stay a member.

I think the business formula for alot of programs has gotten kind of screwed up. Paying 35 bucks for a 3 day trial to a cookie cutter site. End result is gotta do stuff like cross sales, super hard scrubbing, super aggressive consoles.

nocostporn · 01-10-2003, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by ColKurtz
I agree with you but I belive in evolution. A lot of these guys are gonna die a slow death like a short necked giraffe.

effects everybody in the long run,thats the problem

BJ · 01-10-2003, 06:18 PM

its all good.... they key now is to make sure the surfer really takes it up the ass.... this way they feel so violated they are scared to chargeback.

Kind of why rape victims rarely go to the police

mpegposter · 01-10-2003, 06:19 PM

Glad someone gives a shit about the long run.

Donnie Gangsta · 01-10-2003, 06:50 PM

No offense, but quit bitching. You try to pay people 40-50 per join w/o shaving 75% and see if you can afford it with one simple membership.

The reality is that you can't compete without the cross sales/very high payouts (unreasonably such without cross sales).

Sorry, but that's just the way it is

I'm sure everyone who runs per sign up program will agree.

Although I don't at all think this is the best way to be profitable, but it really is the only way for a per sign up program, because it's what everyone else does

Although it sounds warm and fuzzy, I doubt anyone would sign up for an 'honest' program that pays $20 per join...

m0rph3us · 01-10-2003, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
No offense, but quit bitching. You try to pay people 40-50 per join w/o shaving 75% and see if you can afford it with one simple membership.

The reality is that you can't compete without the cross sales/very high payouts (unreasonably such without cross sales).

Sorry, but that's just the way it is I'm sure everyone who runs per sign up program will agree.

Although I don't at all think this is the best way to be profitable, but it really is the only way for a per sign up program, because it's what everyone else does Although it sounds warm and fuzzy, I doubt anyone would sign up for an 'honest' program that pays $20 per join...

nocostporn · 01-10-2003, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
No offense, but quit bitching. You try to pay people 40-50 per join w/o shaving 75% and see if you can afford it with one simple membership.

The reality is that you can't compete without the cross sales/very high payouts (unreasonably such without cross sales).

Sorry, but that's just the way it is I'm sure everyone who runs per sign up program will agree.

Although I don't at all think this is the best way to be profitable, but it really is the only way for a per sign up program, because it's what everyone else does Although it sounds warm and fuzzy, I doubt anyone would sign up for an 'honest' program that pays $20 per join...

I don't think it's bitching,this IS a business.Everybody is under one umbrella and when somebody catches a hand slap we ALL do.The people who were bitching about Visa reg's are pretty much the same people using these tactics. You're right,it's the only way to compete "We offer $40 PS,you'll make more!",live and die by that because since we arent policing ourselves somebody else will

Only a matter of time

ryph · 01-10-2003, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
...I doubt anyone would sign up for an 'honest' program that pays $20 per join...

I should as hell would. Anyone with an honest affiliate site without shaving, no consoles and no basically fucking the surfer around, please spam me. I honestly dont care if I get paid 4.99 per signup, or whatever spam revshare program. I'll sign up so long as I know my traffic isn't getting jacked by annoying popups. Asian nich preferably

Rory · 01-10-2003, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by ryph

I should as hell would. Anyone with an honest affiliate site without shaving, no consoles and no basically fucking the surfer around, please spam me. I honestly dont care if I get paid 4.99 per signup, or whatever spam revshare program. I'll sign up so long as I know my traffic isn't getting jacked by annoying popups. Asian nich preferably

We dont shave , count front page uniques and raws, join page and button clicks , dont have any exits , and surfers really enjoy our product. Check us out ... http://www.cumkaraoke.com/guests.html and shoot me an icq at 5220296 or email me at rory at newoutbreakmedia.com and I will set you up a password so you can look at the members area. Our affiliate system is at http://www.newoutbreakmedia.com/webmasters/index.php .

Rory

mpegposter · 01-10-2003, 07:39 PM

Donnie, look at the biggest players. ARS, MaxCash, would they ever have cross bills? They don't because they play a different type of numbers game. Have quality content (or at lot of it at least) in your members areas, and let the recurring build to cover your initial losses on per-signup. That USED to be the way you did it, you started with a bankroll and built your empire with good sites.

Thanks to Epoch turning a blind eye now anyone can run a PPS program. They use traffic leaks galore, crossbills, 30 minute trials, and exorbident prices to combat the astronomical refund and cancel rates. And somehow it works, and somehow they don't go over the 1% cb threshold YET.

These idiots will end up costing us more money and time in VISA and MC regs, mark my words. Charging someone $109 for 31 days of paysite access with the explanation text written in 8 point font will not fly.

Donnie Gangsta · 01-10-2003, 07:43 PM

Topbucks has two ezclicks and an approval plus membership. Silvercash does as well.

mpegposter · 01-10-2003, 07:49 PM

Why do they do it? Because they CAN. They will never have to worry about 1%+ CB ratios because they've been running strong programs forever. Most of them crossbill to their own sites. SIC does it, Platinum Bucks does it, plenty more do it. The dangerous ones are the new guys with less of a bankroll who keep pushing payouts higher by ripping the surfer worse and worse. Remember 0 Liability? VISA has it on all their ads, so does MasterCard, hard to miss it. The merchant is not the winner here, the merchant never wins. And as a result, we all will lose.

p1mpdogg · 01-10-2003, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by mpegposter
Why do they do it? Because they CAN. They will never have to worry about 1%+ CB ratios because they've been running strong programs forever. Most of them crossbill to their own sites. SIC does it, Platinum Bucks does it, plenty more do it. The dangerous ones are the new guys with less of a bankroll who keep pushing payouts higher by ripping the surfer worse and worse. Remember 0 Liability? VISA has it on all their ads, so does MasterCard, hard to miss it. The merchant is not the winner here, the merchant never wins. And as a result, we all will lose.

your mom is a whore.

mpegposter · 01-10-2003, 08:14 PM

Ahh, knew it was only a matter of time.

p1mpdogg · 01-10-2003, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by mpegposter
Ahh, knew it was only a matter of time.

what are you so affraid of?

btw, you are an idiot if you think just because some of the old school companies that do cross sales are more legit, then a new company just starting out. You must be a republican.. afraid of change. haha

mpegposter · 01-10-2003, 08:21 PM

You'll learn soon enough. Unlike GFY, once VISA bans you any amount of calling up and whining won't get you back in.

Keep us posted.

p1mpdogg · 01-10-2003, 08:22 PM

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Originally posted by mpegposter
You'll learn soon enough. Unlike GFY, once VISA bans you any amount of calling up and whining won't get you back in.

Keep us posted.

k

Donnie Gangsta · 01-10-2003, 08:33 PM

Why do people think chargebacks are a prob? They aren't for us ... just give credit to anyone who asks and there won't be any chargebacks.. how hard is this to figure out

This sucks, but that's the way the processors do it....

01-10-2003, 05:53 PM	#1
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	Why VISA will continue to assfuck us. I quote: "Special Offer to new Members!!!! Click here to signup for a 3 day No Charge Membership to Full On Movies - Three Day No Charge Trial Membership. After 3 days, Membership renews automatically at $40.00 every 1 month. Click here to signup for a 3 day No Charge Membership to E-Help Shop - Three Day Trial Membership. After 3 days, Membership renews automatically at $18.92 every 1 month. (Please be patient after submitting the form.. this might take up to 2 minutes) There is NO CHARGE for the intial 30 minute preview. After the preview you will receive a 1 day trial membership for only $10.00(unless cancelled). Thereafter you will be billed $40.00 every 1 month(s) until cancelled." The funniest thing about this is that the programs use schemes like this JUST SO THEY CAN GET AFFILIATES! If they weren't promising $50 per free signup they'd never need all these little surfer scams to make up for it. Why bother being original and getting sites that convert on revenue sharing models when you can buy a bunch of plugins and charge your surfer a whopping ONE HUNDRED AND NINE bucks within 3 days of filling out a form on your website. This has got to stop, these people will not only somehow manage to keep processing (Epoch should definitely be ashamed of themselves for allowing this kind of thing) but they'll just come up with more ways to screw the surfer. That's about all I have to say about this. If anyone somehow feels this is okay, go for it. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!

01-10-2003, 06:19 PM	#5
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	Glad someone gives a shit about the long run. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!

01-10-2003, 06:50 PM	#6
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	No offense, but quit bitching. You try to pay people 40-50 per join w/o shaving 75% and see if you can afford it with one simple membership. The reality is that you can't compete without the cross sales/very high payouts (unreasonably such without cross sales). Sorry, but that's just the way it is I'm sure everyone who runs per sign up program will agree. Although I don't at all think this is the best way to be profitable, but it really is the only way for a per sign up program, because it's what everyone else does Although it sounds warm and fuzzy, I doubt anyone would sign up for an 'honest' program that pays $20 per join... Last edited by Donnie Gangsta; 01-10-2003 at 06:54 PM..

01-10-2003, 07:39 PM	#11
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	Donnie, look at the biggest players. ARS, MaxCash, would they ever have cross bills? They don't because they play a different type of numbers game. Have quality content (or at lot of it at least) in your members areas, and let the recurring build to cover your initial losses on per-signup. That USED to be the way you did it, you started with a bankroll and built your empire with good sites. Thanks to Epoch turning a blind eye now anyone can run a PPS program. They use traffic leaks galore, crossbills, 30 minute trials, and exorbident prices to combat the astronomical refund and cancel rates. And somehow it works, and somehow they don't go over the 1% cb threshold YET. These idiots will end up costing us more money and time in VISA and MC regs, mark my words. Charging someone $109 for 31 days of paysite access with the explanation text written in 8 point font will not fly. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!

01-10-2003, 07:49 PM	#13
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	Why do they do it? Because they CAN. They will never have to worry about 1%+ CB ratios because they've been running strong programs forever. Most of them crossbill to their own sites. SIC does it, Platinum Bucks does it, plenty more do it. The dangerous ones are the new guys with less of a bankroll who keep pushing payouts higher by ripping the surfer worse and worse. Remember 0 Liability? VISA has it on all their ads, so does MasterCard, hard to miss it. The merchant is not the winner here, the merchant never wins. And as a result, we all will lose. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!

01-10-2003, 05:59 PM	#2
ColKurtz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Cambodia Posts: 596	I agree with you but I belive in evolution. A lot of these guys are gonna die a slow death like a short necked giraffe. When it comes to paysites, I used to believe in doing what it takes to get signups and not even give a shit about the members. I still dont really give a shit about them, but they must be kept happy. Good customer service, very high quality content, various different incentives to stay a member. I think the business formula for alot of programs has gotten kind of screwed up. Paying 35 bucks for a 3 day trial to a cookie cutter site. End result is gotta do stuff like cross sales, super hard scrubbing, super aggressive consoles.

01-10-2003, 06:18 PM	#4
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	its all good.... they key now is to make sure the surfer really takes it up the ass.... this way they feel so violated they are scared to chargeback. Kind of why rape victims rarely go to the police

01-10-2003, 07:43 PM	#12
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	Topbucks has two ezclicks and an approval plus membership. Silvercash does as well.

01-10-2003, 08:14 PM	#15
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	Ahh, knew it was only a matter of time. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!

01-10-2003, 08:21 PM	#17
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	You'll learn soon enough. Unlike GFY, once VISA bans you any amount of calling up and whining won't get you back in. Keep us posted. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!

01-10-2003, 08:33 PM	#19
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	Why do people think chargebacks are a prob? They aren't for us ... just give credit to anyone who asks and there won't be any chargebacks.. how hard is this to figure out This sucks, but that's the way the processors do it....