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Sly · 10-01-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

We are not saying that you cannot bid you can but you need to stay below position 3. You can not pose as our brand and take our traffic.

Will you be buying 1-3? That seems kind of pointless?

theharvman · 10-01-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GonZo

Your missing the point Harvey. I can take a nickel bid and go to number 1 in adwords with pornstar terms in google simply by turning it on.

Sara Jay comes to mind just from this week alone.

My personal adwords account is almost 7 years old and loyalty has its rewards.

Did you go to the DirtyD school for adwords?

If you have a unique site, one that is not re-directing straight to us and are buying ppc traffic on our trademarked terms then you can still do so as long as you stay below position 3

Slappin Fish · 10-01-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

Then you can safely bid from 4-10 and so on. applying pressure to our program, which raises all of our cost per clicks is not beneficial to anyone

No it isn't possible to bid from 4-10, someone could bid half what you are and still come out on top. If they bid a tenth they could have an ad that displays in position one but only a third of the time, not position 3. You get it?

marketsmart · 10-01-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

This is simply Trademark issue.

thats why you are prohibiting mis spells?

have you TM'd all the mis spellings?

give me a break..

pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered...

how long before you start suing torrent seeders?

theharvman · 10-01-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

No it isn't possible to bid from 4-10, someone could bid half what you are and still come out on top. If they bid a tenth they could have an ad that displays in position one but only a third of the time, not position 3. You get it?

You can utilize position preferenace or many other tools, but being in positions 1-3 are prohibited

woj · 10-01-2010, 11:53 AM

great strategy, except if bids drop, it will become profitable to send traffic to a competitor... as a result you will have pissed off affiliates, traffic will leak off to competitors and so your profits will be about the same or even lower... trying to manipulate markets is futile, but good luck

PXN · 10-01-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

great strategy, except if bids drop, it will become profitable to send traffic to a competitor... as a result you will have pissed off affiliates, traffic will leak off to competitors and so your profits will be about the same or even lower... trying to manipulate markets is futile, but good luck

Exactly. my

PXN · 10-01-2010, 11:59 AM

I think their lawyers are the one suggesting they do this so they can pocket more out of them for legal fees going after domains and sites that support them to earn some extra buck. No surprise at all.

This negativity IMHO is causing them more harm than good.

theharvman · 10-01-2010, 12:01 PM

Again.....We not saying you can not bid on our trademark, We are saying that you can't bid on our trademark and re-direct straight to our site thereby getting traffic from people who were directly looking for us!

Slappin Fish · 10-01-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

You can utilize position preferenace or many other tools, but being in positions 1-3 are prohibited

Position preference will try to automatically lower a bid, no guarantee even with a low bid that an affiliate won't outrank you. Outright ban bidding on keywords or don't, this bidding up to position 3 business is ridiculous.

Jdoughs · 10-01-2010, 12:07 PM

Next will be affiliate sites that have Digital Playground in the title tags, page structure, or domain urls.

Which you CANNOT avoid using most useful CMS's, wordpress, tube scripts etc. So do yourselves a favor and start deleting those posts/updates/galleries/vid posts now before they come after you. And don't let them tell you they won't, that's what ALWAYS comes after these announcements.

I promise anyone doing this is looking for trouble. This isn't the first company who's followed this route and won't be the last.

"Thanks for helping us build a brand, now get fucked".

PXN · 10-01-2010, 12:09 PM

I wonder though, if google will be happy to hear what they are doing, trying to manipulate the market and maintaining a monopoly for their own benefit. If someone report this to google and google isn't happy about it, their keywords could be blacklist and their program can go into the trash. Next thing you know they will be back begging you to promote their program.

When you play with keywords like these you are putting yourself at risk.

theharvman · 10-01-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Next will be affiliate sites that have Digital Playground in the title tags, page structure, or domain urls.

Which you CANNOT avoid using most useful CMS's, wordpress, tube scripts etc. So do yourselves a favor and start deleting those posts/updates/galleries/vid posts now before they come after you. And don't let them tell you they won't, that's what ALWAYS comes after these announcements.

I promise anyone doing this is looking for trouble. This isn't the first company who's followed this route and won't be the last.

"Thanks for helping us build a brand, now get fucked".

The Digital Playground "Brand" has been around for 18 Years. Long before an Affiliate Program was even thought of. We have spent Millions of dollars on PR, Advertising, Marketing and Promotions to build what we now have. Sure Affiliate marketing has played a role in our success but by no means the only reason for it.

Again.....We not saying you can not bid on our trademark, We are saying that you can't bid on our trademark and re-direct straight to our site thereby getting traffic from people who were directly looking for us!

PXN · 10-01-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

Next will be affiliate sites that have Digital Playground in the title tags, page structure, or domain urls.

Which you CANNOT avoid using most useful CMS's, wordpress, tube scripts etc. So do yourselves a favor and start deleting those posts/updates/galleries/vid posts now before they come after you. And don't let them tell you they won't, that's what ALWAYS comes after these announcements.

I promise anyone doing this is looking for trouble. This isn't the first company who's followed this route and won't be the last.

"Thanks for helping us build a brand, now get fucked".

I don't think people are scare really. They are more pissed than scare. There have been a thread on another program trying to close down a huge site they claim to infringe on their trademark and have been very unsuccessful.

GonZo · 10-01-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

If you have a unique site, one that is not re-directing straight to us and are buying ppc traffic on our trademarked terms then you can still do so as long as you stay below position 3

Im not promoting Digital Playground.
Im talking about adwords. But your not listening.
Im trying to help you out.

GonZo · 10-01-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

You can utilize position preferenace or many other tools, but being in positions 1-3 are prohibited

Wow. Shouting while being totally uninformed is bad.
I give up.

Jdoughs · 10-01-2010, 12:28 PM

So I can bid on top 3 as long as I'm not sending you the traffic.

Got it!

Agent 488 · 10-01-2010, 12:31 PM

who the fuck are they anyway? so 90s shit?

Deej · 10-01-2010, 12:39 PM

Harv... you may have made this decision based on what you thought was the right thing and overall more profitable venture... but in the long run youre actually decreasing your income.

Its not protecting your brand at all... youre simply trying to eliminate top spot PPC competition. Your company dosnt want to fight for those spots nor pay more for them.

Having wiredguy pull out (assuming he pushed DP) is a big blow.... just imagine how many other silent PPC affiliates you might deter.

overall... bad decision

Deej · 10-01-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

Again.....We not saying you can not bid on our trademark, We are saying that you can't bid on our trademark and re-direct straight to our site thereby getting traffic from people who were directly looking for us!

So we could just send it to another program...

See a problem?

Sly · 10-01-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

Again.....We not saying you can not bid on our trademark, We are saying that you can't bid on our trademark and re-direct straight to our site thereby getting traffic from people who were directly looking for us!

Harvey you're losin' me man.

So I can bid on "Digital Playground." I can send that traffic to my AEBN theater. All is good. Just so long as I don't send that "Digital Playground" traffic to the actual "Digital Playground" site because then I would be stealing your theoretical traffic?

What?

Agent 488 · 10-01-2010, 12:45 PM

i think the thread about milk in bags was better.

Deej · 10-01-2010, 12:50 PM

Theres this problem with people that really dont know surfers or SEO or surfing tactics that think just because a person clicks a link to DP from a ppc ad that they were looking for DP in the first place...

Dont you think if they wer ein search for DP specifically that they would be type in traffic and not google?

Anything from Google ads should be considered a paid for bonus. The only entity that owns google traffic is google. The only traffic from google thats yours more than others is organic SEO traffic. THats something your company has worked for. If someone is outbidding you, thats is your problem and you have to weigh ROI and make a decision.

Making this decision only pissed people off and just might cause more bullshit than you anticipated. There are people here that will pay for ads and send them to other programs just to fuck with you and prove a point.

Though I do have to commend you on notifying people of this rather than just letting them continue sending sales and denying their payments... Weve seen that in the past...

nineCats · 10-01-2010, 12:56 PM

Lol, i work in this biz for many years and i know one fact , 90 % moneys are in 1st position, 9 % in second , and 1 percent in 3-10 positions :-) , so its really great idea spend money for 3 positions clicks.

WiredGuy · 10-01-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

We are not trying to tie anyones hands we are trying to control our brand to the best of our ability. There is nothing preventing Affiliates from promoting any of the other 600+ girls we have on our site. This is simply Trademark issue.

Doing a search for Jesse Jane and Digital Playground on Google, there's only 1 paid result (from Canada). So there is no way to bid in position 3+ or higher. Its a ridiculous change to the ToS to force webmasters to not bid in the top 3 spots, especially when there aren't 3 spots worth of placements.

With a restriction like this, there's only 2 things a webmaster can do: 1) Stop bidding on your TM terms and pick other terms or 2) Bid on them and send the traffic to a different affiliate program that has the models in their tours/members areas. Guess which one webmasters would rather do...

You're a smart guy Harvey, especially in the mobile space, and I know you have to maintain this position for your employer, but really, this move is going to make your PPC webmasters leave DP. Take it from someone who knows the PPC/SEO market inside and out, this move will see a drop in your PPC traffic and not just on your TM'd terms but all pornstar traffic in general that WM's are buying on behalf of your brand.

WG

WiredGuy · 10-01-2010, 01:03 PM

PS: If you want a better way to enforce this, I'd suggest you contact Google and show them your trademarks. They can remove all advertisers for your TM'd terms and make anyone wanting to bid on these keywords request permission from you prior to bidding. This will accomplish the same goal and won't piss off your webmasters and more importantly, avoid the bad press...
WG

theharvman · 10-01-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Harvey you're losin' me man.

So I can bid on "Digital Playground." I can send that traffic to my AEBN theater. All is good. Just so long as I don't send that "Digital Playground" traffic to the actual "Digital Playground" site because then I would be stealing your theoretical traffic?

What?

It's not that you can't send traffic to digitalplayground.com it's that you can't re-direct straight do digitalplayground.com because google's policy is that a site can only have one ppc listing. google deams a url based on where you land after a re-direct so if you're re-directing straight to digitalplayground then you will black us out.

theharvman · 10-01-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

PS: If you want a better way to enforce this, I'd suggest you contact Google and show them your trademarks. They can remove all advertisers for your TM'd terms and make anyone wanting to bid on these keywords request permission from you prior to bidding. This will accomplish the same goal and won't piss off your webmasters and more importantly, avoid the bad press...
WG

We have filed trademark policies with google. It was also important to do right by the Affiliates and notify them directly instead of just denying payouts.

Juicy D. Links · 10-01-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

We are not saying that you cannot bid you can but you need to stay below position 3. You can not pose as our brand and take our traffic.

but organic listings still ok on those terms?

hypothetically speaking top 10 for Jesse Jane and sending traffic to DP.... that still ok?

Hypothetically speaking for that term and others

Jdoughs · 10-01-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

but organic listings still ok on those terms?

hypothetically speaking top 10 for Jesse Jane and sending traffic to DP.... that still ok?

Hypothetically speaking for that term and others

If they are 'enforcing' their mark, they need to take those down as well.

theharvman · 10-01-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

but organic listings still ok on those terms?

hypothetically speaking top 10 for Jesse Jane and sending traffic to DP.... that still ok?

Hypothetically speaking for that term and others

I am sorry Juicy the answer to your question is no, you cannot direct link and buy trademarked traffic

Juicy D. Links · 10-01-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

I am sorry Juicy the answer to your question is no, you cannot direct link and buy trademarked traffic

not buying the traffic , I am meaning I can get into the Top positions "organically" ie: not paying for adwords...

Deej · 10-01-2010, 01:22 PM

If harv says organic traffic is not payable then im nutting the fuck up right here on gfy...

Juicy D. Links · 10-01-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

If they are 'enforcing' their mark, they need to take those down as well.

I guess for example if using a site like www.JesseJaneLovesBlaBlaBla.com and getting in the top google postions for that term than maybe..

but lets say me www.JuicysListBlaBla.com "somehow" gets on google top postion for said term and sending to DP this is OK WITHOUT using Adwrods campaigns..

Juicy D. Links · 10-01-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

I am sorry Juicy the answer to your question is no, you cannot direct link and buy trademarked traffic

Harv not paying for it i meant , I think u misunderstand

Jdoughs · 10-01-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

I am sorry Juicy the answer to your question is no, you cannot direct link and buy trademarked traffic

You have no trademark on ANY traffic from google search. If a user searches DIGITAL PLAYGROUND and my site comes first, that is not your trademark and not a trademark violation.

You can't do anything about it unless I'm actually infringing on your trademark. You do not own the traffic, or the search results, google does.

And to clarify, I (or anyone) do NOT need to infringe on your mark to rank for it.

You guys should talk to a new lawyer, apparently the one you have isn't to sharp, atleast based on the advice they've given you.

GonZo · 10-01-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

I am sorry Juicy the answer to your question is no, you cannot direct link and buy trademarked traffic

Where do you buy organic traffic?
Is that in whole foods too?

PornMD · 10-01-2010, 01:36 PM

This thread in a nutshell: "Google is seeing your ads direct to DigitalPlayground as better than our ads and blacking us out. Under normal circumstances, we'd be happy that we have such talented affiliates. Instead we're jealous and bitter, so stop it. Go promote someone el...I mean go promote different terms or *cough* target your ads to positions 4-10 (lol)."

He did however say you can promote your own unique site and still affiliate to them. Of course if your site now happens to be a leaky ass bucket on visitors' way to DP out of spite...

Naw, just playing with you DP...I'm sure the ramifications of this were WELL thought out.

theharvman · 10-01-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

I guess for example if using a site like www.JesseJaneLovesBlaBlaBla.com and getting in the top google postions for that term than maybe..

but lets say me www.JuicysListBlaBla.com "somehow" gets on google top postion for said term and sending to DP this is OK WITHOUT using Adwrods campaigns..

Juicy, You can buy ppc for either jessejaneblabla.com or juicytitsblabla.com, you just can't be in top position. if you are you will need to pull yourself down to a lower position

GonZo · 10-01-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

Juicy, You can buy ppc for either jessejaneblabla.com or juicytitsblabla.com, you just can't be in top position. if you are you will nee to pull yourself down to a lower position

Your killing me man! hahaha

Deej · 10-01-2010, 01:55 PM

Now youve sideskirted the simple specific questions we must have clarification as you are confusing people or acting too confused, one or the other.

This is an easy answer and we all expect a certain answer.

Is organic search engine traffic payable regardless of terms?

Varius · 10-01-2010, 02:19 PM

Harvey, I have nothing against you but since you insist on spewing the same phrase over and over while not answering people like Juicy's actual, relevant questions - I suggest you leave the thread and let someone else at the company who may have more expertise with PPC take your place in here.

That said, as you've ignored the advice form others above, I don't expect you to follow mine.

Jdoughs · 10-01-2010, 02:32 PM

This thread actually made my day.

I thank you all for that.

theharvman · 10-01-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Now youve sideskirted the simple specific questions we must have clarification as you are confusing people or acting too confused, one or the other.

This is an easy answer and we all expect a certain answer.

Is organic search engine traffic payable regardless of terms?

Yes Organic Search Engine Traffic is Payable Regardless of Terms

Deej · 10-01-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by theharvman

Yes Organic Search Engine Traffic is Payable Regardless of terms.

I knew it, just had to hear it

signupdamnit · 10-01-2010, 02:40 PM

n/m you answered as I was typing.

Deej · 10-01-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

n/m you answered as I was typing.

See above...

Edit - Vambooozled!

theharvman · 10-01-2010, 02:42 PM

I am heading out for the day if there are any more questions or concerns please contact me directly. All my information is below.

Supz · 10-01-2010, 02:46 PM

It seems from what I am reading is that you weren't doing much paid search marketing before, now you see affiliates doing it and getting sales. So you want those spots. I understand if you were doing heavy paid search before and it has just become and obstacle. Then maybe it would be cool. But if you were not doing it much before, and you saw results from affiliate sales, and decide to take that method away from that. That is not that cool.

Just my opinion

urbanpimp · 10-01-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TeenCat

"we sucks at seo so affiliates are making almost all of our sales, what to do?" "i checked one affiliate, he stole our sales from google, he is on top and he make sales, our sales!" "ok, fuck him, lets ban him and we will get the sales then, woohoo lets rock like in 1998!"

10-01-2010, 11:53 AM	#56
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	great strategy, except if bids drop, it will become profitable to send traffic to a competitor... as a result you will have pissed off affiliates, traffic will leak off to competitors and so your profits will be about the same or even lower... trying to manipulate markets is futile, but good luck __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager Last edited by woj; 10-01-2010 at 11:54 AM..

10-01-2010, 12:01 PM	#59
theharvman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,366	Again.....We not saying you can not bid on our trademark, We are saying that you can't bid on our trademark and re-direct straight to our site thereby getting traffic from people who were directly looking for us! __________________ Email:[email protected] Site: http://TheScreamingO.com Program: http://http://www.idevaffiliate.com Skype: theharvman ICQ: 150092593 Last edited by theharvman; 10-01-2010 at 12:11 PM..

10-01-2010, 12:07 PM	#61
Jdoughs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,794	Next will be affiliate sites that have Digital Playground in the title tags, page structure, or domain urls. Which you CANNOT avoid using most useful CMS's, wordpress, tube scripts etc. So do yourselves a favor and start deleting those posts/updates/galleries/vid posts now before they come after you. And don't let them tell you they won't, that's what ALWAYS comes after these announcements. I promise anyone doing this is looking for trouble. This isn't the first company who's followed this route and won't be the last. "Thanks for helping us build a brand, now get fucked". __________________ LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250 Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month. AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC! Last edited by Jdoughs; 10-01-2010 at 12:09 PM..

10-01-2010, 12:28 PM	#67
Jdoughs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,794	So I can bid on top 3 as long as I'm not sending you the traffic. Got it! __________________ LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250 Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month. AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC!

10-01-2010, 12:39 PM	#69
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Harv... you may have made this decision based on what you thought was the right thing and overall more profitable venture... but in the long run youre actually decreasing your income. Its not protecting your brand at all... youre simply trying to eliminate top spot PPC competition. Your company dosnt want to fight for those spots nor pay more for them. Having wiredguy pull out (assuming he pushed DP) is a big blow.... just imagine how many other silent PPC affiliates you might deter. overall... bad decision __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

10-01-2010, 11:59 AM	#58
PXN Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,548	I think their lawyers are the one suggesting they do this so they can pocket more out of them for legal fees going after domains and sites that support them to earn some extra buck. No surprise at all. This negativity IMHO is causing them more harm than good.

10-01-2010, 12:09 PM	#62
PXN Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,548	I wonder though, if google will be happy to hear what they are doing, trying to manipulate the market and maintaining a monopoly for their own benefit. If someone report this to google and google isn't happy about it, their keywords could be blacklist and their program can go into the trash. Next thing you know they will be back begging you to promote their program. When you play with keywords like these you are putting yourself at risk.

10-01-2010, 12:31 PM	#68
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	who the fuck are they anyway? so 90s shit?

10-01-2010, 12:45 PM	#72
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	i think the thread about milk in bags was better.

10-01-2010, 12:50 PM	#73
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Theres this problem with people that really dont know surfers or SEO or surfing tactics that think just because a person clicks a link to DP from a ppc ad that they were looking for DP in the first place... Dont you think if they wer ein search for DP specifically that they would be type in traffic and not google? Anything from Google ads should be considered a paid for bonus. The only entity that owns google traffic is google. The only traffic from google thats yours more than others is organic SEO traffic. THats something your company has worked for. If someone is outbidding you, thats is your problem and you have to weigh ROI and make a decision. Making this decision only pissed people off and just might cause more bullshit than you anticipated. There are people here that will pay for ads and send them to other programs just to fuck with you and prove a point. Though I do have to commend you on notifying people of this rather than just letting them continue sending sales and denying their payments... Weve seen that in the past... __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

10-01-2010, 12:56 PM	#74
nineCats Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 33	Lol, i work in this biz for many years and i know one fact , 90 % moneys are in 1st position, 9 % in second , and 1 percent in 3-10 positions :-) , so its really great idea spend money for 3 positions clicks.

10-01-2010, 01:03 PM	#76
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,487	PS: If you want a better way to enforce this, I'd suggest you contact Google and show them your trademarks. They can remove all advertisers for your TM'd terms and make anyone wanting to bid on these keywords request permission from you prior to bidding. This will accomplish the same goal and won't piss off your webmasters and more importantly, avoid the bad press... WG __________________ I play with Google.

10-01-2010, 01:22 PM	#83
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	If harv says organic traffic is not payable then im nutting the fuck up right here on gfy... __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

10-01-2010, 01:36 PM	#88
PornMD Mainstream Businessman Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 9,291	This thread in a nutshell: "Google is seeing your ads direct to DigitalPlayground as better than our ads and blacking us out. Under normal circumstances, we'd be happy that we have such talented affiliates. Instead we're jealous and bitter, so stop it. Go promote someone el...I mean go promote different terms or cough target your ads to positions 4-10 (lol)." He did however say you can promote your own unique site and still affiliate to them. Of course if your site now happens to be a leaky ass bucket on visitors' way to DP out of spite... Naw, just playing with you DP...I'm sure the ramifications of this were WELL thought out. __________________ Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up.

10-01-2010, 01:55 PM	#91
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Now youve sideskirted the simple specific questions we must have clarification as you are confusing people or acting too confused, one or the other. This is an easy answer and we all expect a certain answer. Is organic search engine traffic payable regardless of terms? __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

10-01-2010, 02:19 PM	#92
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	Harvey, I have nothing against you but since you insist on spewing the same phrase over and over while not answering people like Juicy's actual, relevant questions - I suggest you leave the thread and let someone else at the company who may have more expertise with PPC take your place in here. That said, as you've ignored the advice form others above, I don't expect you to follow mine. __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

10-01-2010, 02:32 PM	#93
Jdoughs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,794	This thread actually made my day. I thank you all for that. __________________ LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250 Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month. AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC!

10-01-2010, 02:40 PM	#96
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	n/m you answered as I was typing.

10-01-2010, 02:42 PM	#98
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10-01-2010, 02:46 PM	#99
Supz Arthur Flegenheimer Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 11,056	It seems from what I am reading is that you weren't doing much paid search marketing before, now you see affiliates doing it and getting sales. So you want those spots. I understand if you were doing heavy paid search before and it has just become and obstacle. Then maybe it would be cool. But if you were not doing it much before, and you saw results from affiliate sales, and decide to take that method away from that. That is not that cool. Just my opinion