do you facebook? please *like* my new business page- FREE sample!

[dyna mo]

also, please input your name & address at the bottom of that page to receive a free package of this product.

please check it out, click the *like* button at the top and send it along to your health conscious friends!


thank you, i would like to kick-start this page!


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Take-C...752878&ref=sgm

[dyna mo]

there's 500 million facebookers so i know some of y'all are on there!

[CaptainHowdy]

All the best with your venture, dyna mo! I (fortunately) don't have a Facebook account anymore.

[deanberkeley]

It is going to be hard to get people to "like" your page with just 4 likes on it. You should check out Fiverr.com and buy you some likes (usually fake people) to it just to see it so it looks like a more important page. Usually for around 20 bucks you can get 1-2k likes.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by deanberkeley

It is going to be hard to get people to "like" your page with just 4 likes on it. You should check out Fiverr.com and buy you some likes (usually fake people) to it just to see it so it looks like a more important page. Usually for around 20 bucks you can get 1-2k likes.

are people that way with their *likes*? i'm new to facebook. just put the page together.

[deanberkeley]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

are people that way with their *likes*? i'm new to facebook. just put the page together.

Not always, but it does help. I have some pages for my website with 25k, 50k fans on them, I found that starting them out with some fakes gives the page some credibility, and more fans come faster that way.

I am going to play around with the same concept on a new website I am doing as well, going to launch it with the fb page big (already have done that) but then I am going to buy blog comments, reviews, and other social networking "shares" already on it and see if that increases interaction from my real target audience. Basically going to go for a "wow" factor at launch where people look at it and wonder how they haven't seen the site before.

[Tom_PM]

Looks cool, good luck on it.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by deanberkeley

It is going to be hard to get people to "like" your page with just 4 likes on it. You should check out Fiverr.com and buy you some likes (usually fake people) to it just to see it so it looks like a more important page. Usually for around 20 bucks you can get 1-2k likes.

haha that's cool

[TheDoc]

Are you American Dyna Mo?

Even if your stuff works, without question works...Even if you have tests to prove it. You could get into a shit ton of trouble for some of the things written on that ad.

You could word it like, or close to it: These nutrients have been known to provide energy, boost the immunity, control weight loss, fight cholesterol buildup...and so on.... in some people.

You should have a notice that it hasn't been approved by the FDA either.

This type of stuff is VERY risky, State to State has laws, Fed Laws & International... Disclaimer yourself to death.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by deanberkeley

Not always, but it does help. I have some pages for my website with 25k, 50k fans on them, I found that starting them out with some fakes gives the page some credibility, and more fans come faster that way.

I am going to play around with the same concept on a new website I am doing as well, going to launch it with the fb page big (already have done that) but then I am going to buy blog comments, reviews, and other social networking "shares" already on it and see if that increases interaction from my real target audience. Basically going to go for a "wow" factor at launch where people look at it and wonder how they haven't seen the site before.

can you contact me or leave contact details so i can contact you? thanks!

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Looks cool, good luck on it.

thanks Tom, would love to send you some.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Are you American Dyna Mo?

Even if your stuff works, without question works...Even if you have tests to prove it. You could get into a shit ton of trouble for some of the things written on that ad.

You could word it like, or close to it: These nutrients have been known to provide energy, boost the immunity, control weight loss, fight cholesterol buildup...and so on.... in some people.

You should have a notice that it hasn't been approved by the FDA either.

This type of stuff is VERY risky, State to State has laws, Fed Laws & International... Disclaimer yourself to death.

well, you are incorrect. the statements on that are entirely legal and within the boundaries established by the fda- period.


i state "Take Charge can" provide, and it can, that's not a guarantee. moreover, it is a food product, not a supplement. furthermore, the fda allows ANY product with >51% ingredients being whole grains to make the other statements made in that text.

[dyna mo]

here's the fda's official policy on food label claim requirements, Take Charge is well within the boundaries.

http://www.fda.gov/Food/LabelingNutr.../ucm111447.htm


this product consists of nothing but high-quality super nutritious ingredients and I stand behind all label claims.

[atom]

Hey man, I have officially "liked" it. Wanna be a pal and like the page I threw up last week?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Design...1567490?ref=ts

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by atom

Hey man, I have officially "liked" it. Wanna be a pal and like the page I threw up last week?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Design...1567490?ref=ts

done! thanks adam!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

well, you are incorrect. the statements on that are entirely legal and within the boundaries established by the fda- period.


i state "Take Charge can" provide, and it can, that's not a guarantee. moreover, it is a food product, not a supplement. furthermore, the fda allows ANY product with >51% ingredients being whole grains to make the other statements made in that text.

Hey man, just trying to lend some advice. The FDA is trying to regulate exactly what you're doing. If you're American, it's best to walk on the extreme safe side. It doesn't hurt your sales, that's the key thing.

The word can, opens you for litigation. It can do this, but doesn't for that person, it's a bad thing. Can is a very powerful word. May, could, has, are much safer words.

If it's a food item, I thought the label, in this case promo / terms, extra info, etc would have to list the place of business, manufacture, packer, etc.. Serving sizes, amounts in a serving, calorie, more shit than I could list. I would stay clear of anything related to cardiovascular, help, improvement, etc related to fiber, grain, etc. as well. It's right in the labeling rules.

Some words are fun to twist... others, just stay the hell away from. Let other Court cases guide you, use the rules as a tool.

With medical claims, should come a medical disclaimer as well to see your doctor before starting/changing anything about your life. For all you know the person is allergic to one of the items listed, has some other problem, etc.. man you do not want to be the victim of a pissed off spouse that blames you for something that isn't your fault.

You know... I am just trying to help, my advice doesn't even come from me. It comes from a lawyer on our own shit over the years. From real herbal, to life stuff, energy and so on we started pushing various products like this in 1999.

I think what you have is great.. I want to see it go all the way and I hope you open a program. I have a deadly ass list that would eat it alive, I would love nothing more than some nice paychecks from a solid product.

[candyflip]

I "liked" the page.

I have a client who writes a blog about gluten free living.

Are you looking to buy ad spots or blog posts yet?

[TheDoc]

Found the link to the cardiovascular statement in the link you posted... Got this from the site: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...1cfr101.71.htm

Sec. 101.71 Health claims: claims not authorized.

Health claims not authorized for foods in conventional food form or
for dietary supplements of vitamins, minerals, herbs, or other similar
substances:
(a) Dietary fiber and cardiovascular disease.


While I know you don't claim to cure/correct the disease "cardiovascular" is one of those words, you just stay away from. If I remember correctly, it's better to mix it with "exercise" (not a food) - Then you include cardiovascular health.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Hey man, just trying to lend some advice. The FDA is trying to regulate exactly what you're doing. If you're American, it's best to walk on the extreme safe side. It doesn't hurt your sales, that's the key thing.

The word can, opens you for litigation. It can do this, but doesn't for that person, it's a bad thing. Can is a very powerful word. May, could, has, are much safer words.

If it's a food item, I thought the label, in this case promo / terms, extra info, etc would have to list the place of business, manufacture, packer, etc.. Serving sizes, amounts in a serving, calorie, more shit than I could list. I would stay clear of anything related to cardiovascular, help, improvement, etc related to fiber, grain, etc. as well. It's right in the labeling rules.

Some words are fun to twist... others, just stay the hell away from. Let other Court cases guide you, use the rules as a tool.

With medical claims, should come a medical disclaimer as well to see your doctor before starting/changing anything about your life. For all you know the person is allergic to one of the items listed, has some other problem, etc.. man you do not want to be the victim of a pissed off spouse that blames you for something that isn't your fault.

You know... I am just trying to help, my advice doesn't even come from me. It comes from a lawyer on our own shit over the years. From real herbal, to life stuff, energy and so on we started pushing various products like this in 1999.

I think what you have is great.. I want to see it go all the way and I hope you open a program. I have a deadly ass list that would eat it alive, I would love nothing more than some nice paychecks from a solid product.

thanks for clarifying, i wasn't sure where you where coming from initially, with just the label criticism, which is fine, just out of context in this thread.

either way, i've been advised *may* = *can*. i am not opposed to *may* and have no problem with it, tbh.

again, you are misinformed though, the fda has clearly stated the allowed statements for products with >51% whole grains, those comments are related to cancer, cardiovascular health and others. it's cut and dry, and very clear.

this isn't a lifestyle change or exercise. it's a breakfast cereal.

either way, i appreciate the input. if you are interested in making money off this, feel free to contact me.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Found the link to the cardiovascular statement in the link you posted... Got this from the site: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...1cfr101.71.htm

Sec. 101.71 Health claims: claims not authorized.

Health claims not authorized for foods in conventional food form or
for dietary supplements of vitamins, minerals, herbs, or other similar
substances:
(a) Dietary fiber and cardiovascular disease.


While I know you don't claim to cure/correct the disease "cardiovascular" is one of those words, you just stay away from. If I remember correctly, it's better to mix it with "exercise" (not a food) - Then you include cardiovascular health.

again-

The FDA currently permits foods containing at least 51 percent whole grains by weight and are low in total fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol to carry a health claim, which links them to a reduced risk of heart disease and certain cancers.


http://www.fda.gov/Food/LabelingNutr.../ucm073639.htm

http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...-manufacturers

http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/benefits...oodpkgregs.htm

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

again-

The FDA currently permits foods containing at least 51 percent whole grains by weight and are low in total fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol to carry a health claim, which links them to a reduced risk of heart disease and certain cancers.


http://www.fda.gov/Food/LabelingNutr.../ucm073639.htm

http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/...-manufacturers

http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/benefits...oodpkgregs.htm

Some nice reading, interesting about the labels. Notice they go case-by-case though, they don't say it's not required. Just to note: The word cardiovascular does not appear on those pages. But they do make for some good reading, that last one will take a bit.

http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComp.../ucm064919.htm

The first url you posted says this is the claim you can make as well.

Approved Claims: Whole Grain Foods and Risk of Heart Disease and Certain Cancers
(Docket No. 1999P-2209)

Required wording of the claim: "Diets rich in whole grain foods and other plant foods and low in total fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol may reduce the risk of heart disease and some cancers."

Above I said, "Let other Court cases guide you, use the rules as a tool." - The claim you can make is above, that's it until you're approved to say something else, like Oatmeal can.


P.S. I don't care what you say on it, truly I don't.. It looks like a kick ass product, no mater what. It's just advice man.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Some nice reading, interesting about the labels. Notice they go case-by-case though, they don't say it's not required. Just to note: The word cardiovascular does not appear on those pages. But they do make for some good reading, that last one will take a bit.

http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComp.../ucm064919.htm

The first url you posted says this is the claim you can make as well.

Approved Claims: Whole Grain Foods and Risk of Heart Disease and Certain Cancers
(Docket No. 1999P-2209)

Required wording of the claim: "Diets rich in whole grain foods and other plant foods and low in total fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol may reduce the risk of heart disease and some cancers."

Above I said, "Let other Court cases guide you, use the rules as a tool." - The claim you can make is above, that's it until you're approved to say something else, like Oatmeal can.


P.S. I don't care what you say on it, truly I don't.. It looks like a kick ass product, no mater what. It's just advice man.

oatmeal has it down! as i gear up for sales, i am making changes, i will make the change from *can* to *amy*. thanks for the input!

[deanberkeley]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

can you contact me or leave contact details so i can contact you? thanks!

Didn't see any contact info for you, my icq is 200-385-093

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