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OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 04:53 PM

Any paysite owners having problems with surfers signing up with checking accounts? Looks like the cats getting out of the bag on how to get into sites for free...anyone else haveing a BIG problem?

chupacabra · 01-09-2003, 04:55 PM

we gave up on taking checks online around mid 2001, just not worth it... we were seeing near 70% on everage of any check transaction coming back as bad or returned, just don't take them at all and save yourself some bandwidth..!

OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by chupacabra
we gave up on taking checks online around mid 2001, just not worth it... we were seeing near 70% on everage of any check transaction coming back as bad or returned, just don't take them at all and save yourself some bandwidth..!

Yeah you know why they are comming back right?

chupacabra · 01-09-2003, 05:17 PM

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Yeah you know why they are comming back right?

sorry? you mean why the fraud is coming back? i assumed it never left...

OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 05:45 PM

No i know i know its fraud but do you know they are doing it?

chupacabra · 01-09-2003, 05:57 PM

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but do you know they are doing it?

they? you mean the customers themselves? i don't take em at all any longer, so i don't know how bad it is these days, i assume its just as scammy as it always was however..

galleryseek · 01-09-2003, 06:15 PM

well that doesn't sound good, jus started to get people promoting my site, and w/ 70 unique's so far, and 1 trial signup, and 1 full month signup, both were done through check. :\

OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by galleryseek
well that doesn't sound good, jus started to get people promoting my site, and w/ 70 unique's so far, and 1 trial signup, and 1 full month signup, both were done through check. :\

Yeah word is getting out how easy it is to get into ANY paysite that accepts checks for free. I was getting about 50 checks a day coming back as returned or bad and i was thinking to myself...could there be that many fucking deadbeats out there without 30 friggin bucks in their checking account? So i called CCbill and asked them and they did the Ol' "i dunno" routine knowing damn well what the fuck was going on. Then i figured out why all these checks were coming back. If you own a paysite and accept checks im sure your feeling this...if not you will be soon.

salsbury · 01-09-2003, 06:29 PM

what's the word, and how do they do it? i never use my checkbook except for rent, so don't worry not tryin to scam ya. heh.

OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 06:35 PM

Any other paysite owners out there know what im talking about?

mpegposter · 01-09-2003, 06:38 PM

Talk to Dan at www.achdebit.com he can give you a breakdown on the averages and costs of running check processing properly.

drops · 01-09-2003, 06:41 PM

why take down a way to get into your site? so what you have checks coming back to you.. I have a $1 trial for a month.. and I get denials everyday...

NEVER NEVER take away a way for someone that doesnt have a CC to get access to your sites..

OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 06:43 PM

Yeah i have talked to several processors about this, aint nothing to stop this shit. The only way to stop this would be if they could check to see if the funds were in the account instantly like they do with credit cards. Until then its a free ride into any site that accepts checks.

BrutalMaster · 01-09-2003, 06:43 PM

I have had a few check signups, not that many, however. My billing processor has a feature that doesn't allow for immediate access for check users. I just set it so the check has to clear before they can gain entry...so no real problem with checks bouncing. I also let them know in advance that they won't get in until their check clears and that may be as long as ten business days.

BJ · 01-09-2003, 06:44 PM

netbilling uses a couple verification services that will basically, as I understand it, verifies that it is in fact a checking account, matches the address info, and screens for fraud.

OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by drops
why take down a way to get into your site? so what you have checks coming back to you.. I have a $1 trial for a month.. and I get denials everyday...

NEVER NEVER take away a way for someone that doesnt have a CC to get access to your sites..

What if you got 50 or so shitbags comming into your site rackin up your badwidth bill on a daily basis? Remember it takes 2-5 days to even check to see if the funds are even in the account.

OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by BrutalMaster
I have had a few check signups, not that many, however. My billing processor has a feature that doesn't allow for immediate access for check users. I just set it so the check has to clear before they can gain entry...so no real problem with checks bouncing. I also let them know in advance that they won't get in until their check clears and that may be as long as ten business days.

Who does your checks?

BrutalMaster · 01-09-2003, 06:49 PM

GloBill.

drops · 01-09-2003, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by OneHungLo

What if you got 50 or so shitbags comming into your site rackin up your badwidth bill on a daily basis? Remember it takes 2-5 days to even check to see if the funds are even in the account.

would you rather turn away business or keep it and deal with it? I think GloBill does the hold on checks.. but GloBill = Lost Sales..

I hear what your sayin.. but bandwidth is cheap bro.. I wouldn't stress about it do much

OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by drops

would you rather turn away business or keep it and deal with it? I think GloBill does the hold on checks.. but GloBill = Lost Sales..

I hear what your sayin.. but bandwidth is cheap bro.. I wouldn't stress about it do much

Yeah i hear what your saying but it gets irritating not to mention that my affiliates must see these coming back and be like what the fuck.

BV · 01-09-2003, 07:02 PM

Yes check returns suck, 50% of mine get returned. But the ones that are good generally have a high retention and stay a while.

Don't offer any trial memberships or one time bill with checks, just a 1 month recurring option.

Cheers,
BV

drops · 01-09-2003, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by BV
Yes check returns suck, 50% of mine get returned. But the ones that are good generally have a high retention and stay a while.

Don't offer any trial memberships or one time bill with checks, just a 1 month recurring option.

Cheers,
BV

Agreed... No trial, (but recurring) with checks..

drops · 01-09-2003, 07:05 PM

http://exploitedteens.com .....

Have we spoke before?

OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by drops
http://exploitedteens.com .....

Have we spoke before?

Not sure...actually i was referring to another site i own. Have we met before?

drops · 01-09-2003, 07:11 PM

Hit me up.. http://porndollar.com/support.html

strainer · 01-09-2003, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by drops

would you rather turn away business or keep it and deal with it? I think GloBill does the hold on checks.. but GloBill = Lost Sales..

I hear what your sayin.. but bandwidth is cheap bro.. I wouldn't stress about it do much

With Globill you get to choose whether to put the check hold or not. We initially had that, but since we had a fairly low bad check rate, we now grant instant access.

Do the math, people... Assume your bandwidth is .50/gig and your average surfer pulls 1-2 gig a month, you are looking at a $1 bandwidth bill. If your monthly charge is $20, you can afford to have 19 bad checks for every one good one and still make money!!!

drops · 01-09-2003, 07:28 PM

exactly.. lol

seven · 01-09-2003, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by drops
but GloBill = Lost Sales..

Why is that? Tell me so I may consider changing processor again

Glo-Bill does have a feature that you may use to not give a surfer access until check cashes. I used it and got absolutely "0" check sign-ups.. then what's the point? Yes, many checks get bounced yet any extra sign-ups=extra money in my pocket

[The Leader] · 01-09-2003, 07:44 PM

I stopped taking checks all together some time ago for that reason.

wouncie · 01-09-2003, 07:45 PM

Checks suck, but its all gravy.... It's not like u had to work 9-5 and not get paid. Consider them extra.
No trials!

quiet · 01-09-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by wouncie
Checks suck, but its all gravy.... It's not like u had to work 9-5 and not get paid. Consider them extra.
No trials!

yup

pine · 01-09-2003, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by OneHungLo
Any other paysite owners out there know what im talking about?

Yes. But there are lurkers in the shadows here, and it's best not to post shit like this in public. Put it this way, unless you are doing quiet-type signups, online checks are not worth it.

We tried accepting checks for one week. 83% returned NSF (read: fraudulent). Meanwhile, the freeloading bastards have up to 5 days of access to the members area.

No trials? Trust me, online checks are FREE trials, no matter how you look at it...

drops · 01-09-2003, 08:09 PM

Why Globill sucks.. we dont have that kind of time..

quiet · 01-09-2003, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by drops
Why Globill sucks.. we dont have that kind of time..

nice sig

OneHungLo · 01-09-2003, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by pine

Yes. But there are lurkers in the shadows here, and it's best not to post shit like this in public. Put it this way, unless you are doing quiet-type signups, online checks are not worth it.

We tried accepting checks for one week. 83% returned NSF (read: fraudulent). Meanwhile, the freeloading bastards have up to 5 days of access to the members area.

No trials? Trust me, online checks are FREE trials, no matter how you look at it...

Yeah thats why i didnt post how they were doing it.

drops · 01-09-2003, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

nice sig

01-09-2003, 04:53 PM	#1
OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	Paysite owners Any paysite owners having problems with surfers signing up with checking accounts? Looks like the cats getting out of the bag on how to get into sites for free...anyone else haveing a BIG problem?

01-09-2003, 06:29 PM	#9
salsbury Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,070	what's the word, and how do they do it? i never use my checkbook except for rent, so don't worry not tryin to scam ya. heh. __________________

01-09-2003, 06:38 PM	#11
mpegposter Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tri-State Posts: 483	Talk to Dan at www.achdebit.com he can give you a breakdown on the averages and costs of running check processing properly. __________________ The voice of the Moral Minority. New Sponsor Converting Like Hell!

01-09-2003, 06:41 PM	#12
drops Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 1,116	why take down a way to get into your site? so what you have checks coming back to you.. I have a $1 trial for a month.. and I get denials everyday... NEVER NEVER take away a way for someone that doesnt have a CC to get access to your sites.. __________________ <img src=http://porndollar.com/webmasters/banners/porndollar/120x60_25_pd.gif border=0><br>$84 Per Signup \| $25 Per Free Signup \| $20 Per Cross Sales \| Credits On Exits \| Paid Weekly <br>Contact Info. http://porndollar.com/support.html

01-09-2003, 06:43 PM	#14
BrutalMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New England, US Posts: 256	I have had a few check signups, not that many, however. My billing processor has a feature that doesn't allow for immediate access for check users. I just set it so the check has to clear before they can gain entry...so no real problem with checks bouncing. I also let them know in advance that they won't get in until their check clears and that may be as long as ten business days. __________________ "Don't worry, I won't bite...oh, wait a minute, I forgot, yes I will." www.brutalmaster.com

01-09-2003, 04:55 PM	#2
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	we gave up on taking checks online around mid 2001, just not worth it... we were seeing near 70% on everage of any check transaction coming back as bad or returned, just don't take them at all and save yourself some bandwidth..!

01-09-2003, 05:45 PM	#5
OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	No i know i know its fraud but do you know they are doing it?

01-09-2003, 06:15 PM	#7
galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	well that doesn't sound good, jus started to get people promoting my site, and w/ 70 unique's so far, and 1 trial signup, and 1 full month signup, both were done through check. :\

01-09-2003, 06:35 PM	#10
OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	Any other paysite owners out there know what im talking about?

01-09-2003, 06:44 PM	#15
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	netbilling uses a couple verification services that will basically, as I understand it, verifies that it is in fact a checking account, matches the address info, and screens for fraud.

01-09-2003, 06:49 PM	#18
BrutalMaster Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New England, US Posts: 256	GloBill. __________________ "Don't worry, I won't bite...oh, wait a minute, I forgot, yes I will." www.brutalmaster.com

01-09-2003, 07:02 PM	#21
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Yes check returns suck, 50% of mine get returned. But the ones that are good generally have a high retention and stay a while. Don't offer any trial memberships or one time bill with checks, just a 1 month recurring option. Cheers, BV

01-09-2003, 07:05 PM	#23
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01-09-2003, 07:11 PM	#25
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01-09-2003, 07:28 PM	#27
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01-09-2003, 07:44 PM	#29
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01-09-2003, 07:45 PM	#30
wouncie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ASSwatcher.com Posts: 1,005	Checks suck, but its all gravy.... It's not like u had to work 9-5 and not get paid. Consider them extra. No trials! __________________

01-09-2003, 08:09 PM	#33
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