There are non industry on the board!? Omg!


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No worries champ.

I was simply pointing out the different points of view depending on the daily visitors of GFY in regards to Robbie's O.P.. You have those who are still very much in this industry, those who have left it, those who are not in it, and then GFY owners themselves and lastly the advertisers.
:2 cents:

There's this.

There is also all the people who sell services and scripts and packages of stuff dedicated to adult. It seems like you don't want them to have any brand new customers from gfy with huge dreams and a bit of money to piss up the wall that still goes round in circles within adult long after they have failed and fucked-off. If they can't get customers here or elsewhere within the adult boards then its off to spam the shit out of places like DigitalPoint where whether or not they get customers they will attract a lot more interest towards raping adult from the sort of internet user that you consider a parasite.

Everybody starts somewhere. You are coming across as a bit i'm alright Jack pull the ladder up - as if you don't want anybody else new to have a chance. In any business, if you havn't got a mentor, you need to be doing research before diving straight in and breaking your neck. If part of that research is reading the boards picking up ideas and also more importantly finding out what is going to be a complete waste of time why do you begrudge people that?

A lot of the trolling is going to come from the fact that most people are going to be working at home, alone, with less daytime social interaction with real people than is healthy. Somewhere to chat with people in the same situation keeps you from going nuts. I'd much rather some of the people that come across as complete mentals were abusing people on the internet than actually going out and doing it in real life as they had nowhere to vent. Some poor random on the street can't laugh off being stabbed in the same way you can laugh at someone on the internet and tell them to take their medicine and shut up.

First, before anyone accusses me of arse-sucking: YES I support what Robbie is saying. Here's why:

When I started a couple years ago I knew nothing about how to actually run a business. Zero. (Yes, now I know 2%.) So when I wanted to learn what to do I followed 3-4 people here on GFY. Read almost ALL their posts and threads, absorbed as much as I could. This is before I even joined GFY! I could tell by the intellgience of Robbie's posts that he was/is someone to learn from even though he's never given me any direct advice.

So, having a brain, I could discern who was full of SHITE and who had/has something to offer. Problem is Robbie no one will follow through on what you suggest.

So I suggest the following: We must police ourselves, those of us "in the biz" and we must use the ignore function to block out those we feel are NOT in this biz (i.e., trolls/surfers). Attention whores and shit-stirrers tend to go away if they don't get what they want: attention and shit. They seek it elsewhere.

So from now I do NOT want to see ANYONE with a join date of more than four years ago responding to ANY of the known trolls and surfers on here, and when in doubt (is he a troll? a webmaster?) don't respond either until you KNOW their role in the Industry.

Other than that: GFY biz as usual, sadly.

start. your. own. board.

free market. free country.

If you mean fake nicks, I don't think many of them here are surfers or kids or they would't be so upset about epass or post things that only people in the business know much about or care about.

More likely it's just acting and theater from affiliates and business owners wanting to express more then they would like they would do under their real names. This made GFY big to begin with.

This takes their breaks off in responses and some, I agree here, get a power kick out of it or a thrill in some cases or just postviews however you want to see it. Some become more honest if they post being anonymous, others may abuse it. Just the way it is.

The part I will never understand is....

the Industry has been supposedly in "Free Fall" for the past 4 years. At least this subject comes up over and over again... considering this is the case, WHY do all research studies show digital adult entertainment GROWING in revenue each year? I am truely confused...

If we are in free fall, we should have hit rock bottom already, yet there is still billions being spent each year... where is the free fall?

I've wondered this too, since my business has literally quadrupled in about 1 1/2 years. Maybe ppl mean the WAY they used to make $ is in free fall? Huh

In sites that had their last update 5 years ago and have nothing new to offer the customer.

What I learned in 23 years of porn business from magazines, 8mm tapes, vhs, dvd to web and mobile is: nothing really changed. People still like and look for porn and you can earn from that pool.

The tricky part is keeping up with 'feeling' consumer trends in existing and emerging markets, being a country, a technology, a device, a billing method, business model, content itself, pricing, niches, easy of use, customer appricitiation, laws or an old fashioned AIDA. Next to a million other possibilities or a combination of previous mentioned factors.

every site is affected by the free porn giveaway by the big tube sites, it's just the shit sites are hit harder.

verifying would take a lot of work, not to mention what is the criteria for being "in the adult" industry.

Wouldn't it be easier to just ban the trolls right away, 1 strike you out. The biggest problem is from the people in the industry with 10 fake nicks that use those accounts to be anonymous and troll. Fake (multiple) nicks should be banned, that would be a great start. The rules say you not suppose to have a fake nick anyways. (not enforced).

Quoted for truth.

And if Robbie wants to start his own l33t industry only board, I can't see anyone stopping him.

mulletsagainstpiracy.com is free.

"all the research studies" .... for example??? can you point me to a few of these studies?

lol :1orglaugh

no offense to you, but if you just started in the last couple years and your business quadrupled, how much money is that really? If you were making $100 a week and now you making $400, while making 4x more sounds good, that isn't a relevant example to why aren't most other people making more not less. Someone could have had just a 20% drop over the last couple years and be making millions less a year.

It's harder to make money these days. If you are new and you are able to make money you are at an advantage vs someone who has been around a long time but has gotten fat and lazy and their revenue methods are dwindling fast. You figured out how to make money in today's environment, their ways are outdated and don't work. All they know how to do is spend, not make. You just want to make sure you don't ever become the fat calf.

go start your own board and see how well it does with 1 relevant, business post a day. As much as I don't like the bullshit and non business threads, some of the BUSINESS people here do like them. So they might come here to talk politics or sports but while here also talk in some business threads. It keeps people on the site longer and coming back more often. Non business threads isn't the problem. Non industry people isn't the problem. The problem is the fake nicks and anonymous trouble starters that aren't banned right away.

http://www.xbizresearch.com/getreport.php

Also http://parksassociates.ecnext.com/co...0256-11343_ITM mentions some adult entertainment numbers I think...

or search a bit on http://www.globalbusinessinsights.com/

I do not think Robbie is saying business only threads.

He is saying threads/forum with only active actual adult industry people.

There is a difference.
:2 cents:

Robbie,

how do you begin to set the criteria for being allowed to stay? who gets a golden ticket and who gets axed?

i.e. someone like me. i have no public site of any consequence and haven't had one for years. i have no documents to submit to "verify" adult involvement, and even if i did, there's no way i'd ever submit such things to a messageboard for "approval". basically, the only thing i've got to "prove" my continued involvement in adult is my word, which just like everyone else, as only as good as [the final GFY Membership decision maker] feels it is.

then what about the peeps that were in adult, but have shifted into other areas but still enjoy reading, contributing, or "fucking around"? do they get in past the bouncer or left outside the club? what about the peeps trying to break into adult? should they come back after they've become successful enough to have proof that they belong?


i understand your frustration, but it's not like GFY is providing vast amounts of paid membership quality information or tutorials or something. you should already know the golden rule: if you want to offer exclusive membership, it needs to be worth it or you'll have no members. no members = death. :2 cents:

I only read this board every few months and no longer post here. not only is it useless to me, it's lurking with snitches, haters, and every alphabet agency known to man. If cointelpro exists still you will find them here. what's the point of having a private board filled with CIs and idiots. feel free to ban/block me.

I thought you vanished because of the thread about vivoxxx.com?

i just came home from delivering pizza

I didn;t say I don't do business here :2 cents:

I understand your point Raold. But I dont think Robbie is talking about people that disagree here. This board is now full of useless posters that bring absolutely nothing but hate to the board and industry. Thats what he is talking about. I mean really.. tke a look at who is posting these days and what they are posting.. its fucking rediculous. All Robbie is asking is to make this an industry only board. I agree with everything he is saying. I also see some valid points of people that disagree. Maybe this board should have a surfer section where they can voice their opinions to the industry.

AND YES GAZILLIONAIRES. I went to get a tissue at your booth last year in Berlin and they were 100 dollar bills.

Believe it or not but I my grade school was run by harsh nuns and my college was run by liberal Jezuit's practising karate, smoking weed old beared guys with flip flops instead of shoes.

Bible studies learned me to read between the lines and not to look for God in a church.

GFY is a treasure map when you know how to read gfy language.

and it was a cold pizza you bastard!!!

/trolling

lol $1 bills, pay attention please!!!!

PS: I still don't agree with Robbie :thumbsup

And you never will...on anything. :)

hunnert and fiddy fmltubes lurking on GFY to find out things about us to try and shut our businesses down...

i can't believe how many times this has been discussed. if you want a more chilled out board, head to the other board. this board is a big mess, and that's what makes it so popular, and enjoyable. it will never change. but someone will start the same thread next year regardless lol.

Best reply ever, from the mouth of a non-"broke kid who typed go fuck yourself into google".

bullshit, think I agreed once with you regarding something in the content censor forum lol

Overall I do see where you are coming from but just don't agree (most of the time) with your views on how to handle things ;)))

I do think you're passionate about this business which is good though haha

Don't ruin my perception of our rivalry. You are Roald...my archenemy on the interwebs. A maniacal evil super-villain from a galaxy called "Holland"

We must never agree...

I disagree....

Now you're talkin'! :)

In Holland this is called a "hug".
You and Robbie are having a male bonding thing here Roald?

On a brief side note, Robbie, It was really fun to hang you with you and C.M. out on the boat and breakfast. Look forward to us all hanging again soon! :)

He kind of replaced my favorite "I disagree with you all the time" person Paul Markham lol