this board is what it is: a cesspool. you are free to start private business board with scans of ccbill checks to join the secret ham radio club.

You need the trolls to keep the board moving. Why not just create a section of the board that is members only or invite only.

agreed.

it's an interesting sounding board for all sorts of things because of it's global membership, as long as you don't lay out and reveal your entire operation to the world on an open forum. :2 cents:

I became an affiliate by being brought into the business by my ex-partner Al4a in the mid 1990's. I didn't read about it on a forum (gfy didn't exist obviously). And I didn't get the keys to the kingdom handed to me right off the bat either. I had to prove myself.

It was a bit of a secret back then. And I learned from the best guys in the business, which then led to my success as an affiliate.

I think we both know how many thousands of "affiliates" signed up, downloaded the ad tools free content to jerk to and never sent a single hit. They don't do that much anymore thanks to piracy because they can just get everything for free without signing up.

When I started...people didn't even know what an affiliate program was. Now it's general info amongst the public.

And all of that non-withstanding...We are under attack (you know that better than most). Do we really need to be posting up our business for pirates to laugh about on their forums? I don't see what it would hurt in any way to keep non-industry people OUT.

If someone becomes an affiliate by clicking a webmaster link on a paysite then so be it. They can figure it out the old way and really learn the business from the ground up like we did. And when they get established then they can join the community. That's the way I see it working, it's backwards right now.

No, I was thinking more like birth certificate... :1orglaugh

yeah i totally agree

Threads like this come up every now and then since what? 2004? Nothing changed, nothing will change. Would I like to see this board go back to what it once was? Of course! Do I want business to be as good as 2 years ago? FUCK YEAH. Do I like GFY? Hell yeah.

Thing is nothing is going to change if all of a sudden GFY would be industry only or exclude people from it.

Besides that, people are often considered trolls if they don't agree with people and brown nose the big dogs or old school guys. Well guess what, I like to read the discussions (the good ones that is lol). And guess what, PB likes it too. It generates pageviews for them. If they really cared about this industry, and not their own pocket, they wouldn't have done the trafficjunkie or puba skin to start with. And guess what, they have all the right to do what ever the fuck they want with this place.

You don't like the place then just move on :2 cents:

PS, gazillionaires? :1orglaugh

Robbie is an idiot.

i thought this epass support board

I'm thinking that some of the people who simply won't come here because of the pirates and surfers trolling industry people would come here and post and add to the relevancy of the forum if it were industry only.

I know you said you don't do business here, it's just for fun. But I've found some good programs to promote off of here and made some contacts on here that turned out to be very profitable for me. I bet you have too over the years.

Maybe nothing will change, but wouldn't it be nice to come to GFY and know that you are talking with your own peers and not outsiders? We are in the porn biz. And it makes us all targets already. I'd like to take away some of the outside world's ammunition against us.

I don't think Playboy is making any kind of profit from having the forum full of surfers. Unless they decided to place sign up banners for their paysites at the top of the page and/or banners promoting the latest issue of Playboy magazine to try and get more eyes on their own brand.

The ads I see here are directed at affiliates to get them to send traffic/sales to a program. Not for signing up to a paysite or selling a product to consumers. So the non-adult people here really don't contribute anything. And sometimes (like FML Tube did) they are people mining for information to HURT a person's business.

Why not cut that off?


Edit: Perfect example below :1orglaugh

Killing or censoring freedom of speech won't solve anything.
I rather read what "goes on" in people's minds then stick my head in the sand and dream about a perfect world.
GFY reflects the actual society IMO. Therefore it's a reality. Reality is what everybody deals with daily. Bro's and trolls have this in common.

Robbie's quality of content is an asset to gfy. I agree, give him admin for a week.

when you take the trolls away, this board or any board will be dead before you can say .......arrrrgh.
trust me I know, I own a private board.

True dat.

TL has a 100% private full 100% industry board.

How is keeping non-adult people out of an adult biz forum "censoring" :helpme

You're not reading what's going on in people's minds on GFY from a surfer perspective. If you want that go to a surfer forum and pose as if you're not in this business.

The only thing you're getting on GFY is what a surfer perceives that people in the porn biz want to hear OR whatever agenda that particular person is pushing (like gideongallery pushing what he's told to from a pirate forum)

This is SUPPOSED to be an adult business forum. It's called Go Fuck Yourself because that was funny at the time (still is). But this isn't ten years ago anymore.

I've not said to "censor" anybody. I'm just saying show the admin of GFY that you are actually in this business. If not, get out. If a troll wants to still be a troll but he's in this business then so be it. Flame away.

That wouldn't be censoring them. It would just be getting rid of folks who are not in our business.

Ask Dirty D how he feels about FMLTube coming on GFY and "investigating" everyone, then bragging about it on his own blog and then getting Dirty D arrested and almost ruining his business.

That is the kind of thing that keeps players in our industry from ever posting on here anymore. I want to talk to the people who are in my business. Not psychopaths like fmltube and others over the years who come on here and learn all about our business and we just offer ourselves up on a silver platter for the slaughter.

Don't take the trolls away. Just take the non-industry trolls away. All the guys on here who love to fuck with people by trolling but are actually in this biz would still be here and free to troll.

you beat me to it.

robbie you don't agree with me so you should be censored speech is always censorship

no matter how he trys to claim it to keep this board industry only

he knows full well that any restriction could be bought your way around


say you require people to make x sales as an affiliate to be allowed to post here,

simple solution buy enough traffic to get one pps sale, put the money into buying more traffic rince and repeat until you hit that number.

gideongallery...shouldn't you be emailing thedoc? It's been a few months now.
You are a total disgrace as a human being. And you KNOW that you would be the first non-industry person OUT of here.

And then you wouldn't be able to go back to your little piracy/torrent forums and laugh at all my colleagues with your thieving friends as you tell them how you trolled us again with your pro-piracy bullshit.

That's your ONLY reason to be here. You don't contribute one thing.

funny thread :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Years ago Joe asked me why I didn't post here. I told him that GFY was made up of a handful of adult webmasters and a huge number of giggling 13 year olds that typed "go fuck yourself" into the computer interwebs as a joke -- and ended up here.

Kids still do this today. Guaranteed.

"Oh, it's not THAT bad..." he told me.

Sure, some became "webmasters" after finding this place, and many of those kids are still here, and now in their 20's, but that does not make them "the industry."

Eric performs a balancing act that I think few can appreciate and it's because of him and his team that this site is as good as it is. You can meet great peeps and do some real business here, but caveat emptor, this is "GFY" after all.

:2 cents:

Yep.

But the difference is...it isn't 10 years ago. This is now with our industry barely on life support. Piracy running rampant, etc.

I'm suggesting that it's time to tighten up the ship, surfers have no business in here at all. Period. And as I said earlier...there are crazy fucks out there who come here for "information" and use it to try and destroy people.

Everybody says "grow up" and start "treating it like a real business". Well, maybe we could start with the biggest adult forum in the world. Right now it looks like a group of high school kids in here.

I like that kinda crazy feel myself. But let's don't show it to the fucking world. As I said before, let the trolls troll. It's great entertainment. But it should only be entertainment for those of us in this business and not on public display for outsiders who don't understand (or choose not to) that it's just people bullshitting around and not the "real" way that people do business.

I hope they ban all surfers or even people you would call surfers. Then we can sit back and watch what happens again. I said again because this has played out many times over the years on various sites.

"getting ridiculous"... ummm, the ship kinda sailed on that.

I admit that I am not in the adult business; however, I am very much in the internet selling biz. I have a website where I do all the programming and SEO, along with the thousand other jobs that go along with selling what I sell. I have been lurking here since 2005 and love this board. I only recently got the ability to post but I try very hard not to make posts in threads about the adult biz, as I don't have the experience or knowledge to add much to those discussions. But I have learned a lot about SEO hanging out here and I just enjoy the wide range of topics that get posted here. It's my favorite board.

I am not pro-pirate and I do not steal any porn in my personal life. I see how tubes and the rest are destroying the biz and I hate it. I have been a programmer for 26 years and I only wish I had known about affiliate programs and the rest back in 1997, 1998. I'd be rich now like a lot of you.

I understand where Robbie is coming from but I try not to be a douchebag and not stick my nose in where I have no business. I enjoy this board and most of the people on this board and I'd hate to have to leave.

I don't think it ever "played out" on any site.

Yeah, some forums started censoring and banning people in a power trip. Not talking about that at all.

Just show Eric you're in the biz. What's the problem if folks do that?

Every forum that I heard about going down was directly related to abuse of power. That isn't what I'm suggesting at all. I'm saying that it is supposed to be for the adult industry. People who are not part of or related in any way business-wise to it have nothing to contribute here in any way.

Do you really want to come here and discuss stuff with some 15 year old kid who is posing as a "webmaster"?

Or would you rather KNOW you were always talking to someone in the business whose opinion and experience would carry weight of some sort whether you agree or disagree with their point of view?

I would say that a person who is involved in the online industry would be a welcome person here. I would look at someone like you as "business related". You could definitely show Eric what you do for a living. And then have a "title" that said non-adult online business. I wouldn't see anything wrong with a person like you being here.

I know what you mean Robbie but still I am interested to hear all unfiltered information like Roald does also. Surfers ARE the end consumer of our industries' services and products afterall.
I can't imagine the owner of MacDonals saying all their franchise owners are stupid and all people who eat burgers are idiots. Doesn't make sense in my opinion.

Eric could make a separate section where it's more quite but it would not have many views, Eric needs all this drama and so many opinions; that is the businessmodel what makes GFY money and THAT attracks so many people coming here.

finally a smart post on this thread :thumbsup:thumbsup

There have been plenty in this thread.

However, I think this debate is falling on deaf ears.
:2 cents:

maybe,but when i see a guy with 8 k posts in 7-8 years want other members to be banned is sucks,with this kind of members this forum will die if they will make 2-3 posts/day.
no traffic = no advertising = NO MONEY

I like to read Robbie's opinion and that of other people also.
Piracy is not good for the copyright owners. I agree with Robbie on this, it affects his livelyhood.
On the other hand the outdated laws worldwide created a flaw that the industry has to deal with currently; "In transition" does come to mind for everybody to find a new way to survive their businesses, mine included. It's challenging for sure but exiting at the same time.

My point was that you are not hearing "unfiltered" anything. You are seeing surfers posing as webmasters. That tells you nothing.

Go to a surfer forum and pose as if you aren't involved in adult and then you will get honest unfiltered responses. Not here.

And why does having GFY as adult industry only (which is how it started) suddenly become analogous to a McDonalds owner thinking his franchisees and patrons are idiots?

I never said anyone was an idiot. I said that non-adult people don't contribute anything of value here. In fact they have HURT people's businesses on here.

And again...the business model of GFY has NEVER been surfer driven. Look at the banners. They are strictly sponsor programs trying to brand themselves to webmaster/affiliates. I have yet to see a paysite join banner here or someone actually selling a product to a consumer.

That is what would be marketed to surfers. Not banners enticing an affiliate to promote a certain sponsor.

This isn't supposed to be a tgp or a tube site. It's supposed to be an industry forum. That's what gives it it's true value. Not the useless surfer traffic that comes here.

Not one intelligent paysite or program owner has EVER advertised on GFY due to the traffic numbers of surfers here. The only reason I ever paid for a sticky on this board was to promote our program to affiliates. I didn't WANT surfers to see that.

That is a point of view, not a fact.

Robbie Suggestion:
Eliminating surfers, and those no longer in the adult industry who are just here to troll actual adult industry business owners. This would cut down on the volume of posts and random bullshit, sure. But the quality of the posts would go up in theory.

GFY Impact:
The ad VIEWS would go down, however the EXPOSURE to those who actually make buying decisions, and are in this industry, would go up. So the VALUE goes up for ad dollars spent to the advertiser. They are branding, or marketing, to those who actually have some money to their name and involved in this industry. Not the fry cooks. Again, QUALITY over quantity.

Surfers Impact:
They would need to either spend the time and effort to fake a website to get in. Or they would have to move on to another board where they can attack others without being regulated. for the sake of 'views'.

The point Robbie is trying to make is. The overall VALUE and QUALITY would go up for business owners and those in this industry. The entertainment of the fry cooks would go down.

there are more business orientated boards. you are free to go post on them today. come back in one years time to see your reply.

I agree. Especially with the last sentence. I'm not sure if I support making everyone prove they are in industry, however I would support it going forward for new registrations. I think there should also be some common sense applied. If you have someone who doesn't seem to know about the industry and goes around posting non-business related topics all the time and also likes to harass established members of the industry and openly taunt them for having content stolen from them then maybe someone should contact them and ask them to show that they aren't just a porn surfer in order to continue posting? Either that or read them the riot act about where they are and what is and is not appropriate. Or Perhaps only question those who seem to be causing problems rather than require all new people to prove they are in the industry?

If we are going to continue to allow porn surfers can there at least be some middle ground applied to make certain behaviors forbidden? I'm with Robbie in that I don't think it's appropriate for a porn surfer to be openly mocking an established member of the community for having his content stolen. Just my :2 cents: I realize I'm nothing but a poster here but I wanted to voice my opinion.

Read my last post about WHO the advertising on GFY is targeted to. You don't need or even want thousands of surfers seeing that kind of advertising for programs.

The board is already CLOSED to the general public now. And if you tried to join today...Eric requires proof that you are in this business I believe. So why not take the next logical step and clean out all non-adult industry people who have no business here at all.

The forum has already been hurt because REAL people in this business refuse to come here because it HURTS their business to post here instead of finding business opportunity.

Surfer traffic stats don't mean shit. Neither does having hundreds of useless "Would You Hit It" or "What I Ate For Breakfast" threads. I'd rather read ONE well written post by a person I know is in this business than a hundred surfer threads that are oh so "witty".

in fact is not my problem is just his opinion,sorry if i said something wrong