funny thread :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Years ago Joe asked me why I didn't post here. I told him that GFY was made up of a handful of adult webmasters and a huge number of giggling 13 year olds that typed "go fuck yourself" into the computer interwebs as a joke -- and ended up here.

Kids still do this today. Guaranteed.

"Oh, it's not THAT bad..." he told me.

Sure, some became "webmasters" after finding this place, and many of those kids are still here, and now in their 20's, but that does not make them "the industry."

Eric performs a balancing act that I think few can appreciate and it's because of him and his team that this site is as good as it is. You can meet great peeps and do some real business here, but caveat emptor, this is "GFY" after all.

:2 cents:

Yep.

But the difference is...it isn't 10 years ago. This is now with our industry barely on life support. Piracy running rampant, etc.

I'm suggesting that it's time to tighten up the ship, surfers have no business in here at all. Period. And as I said earlier...there are crazy fucks out there who come here for "information" and use it to try and destroy people.

Everybody says "grow up" and start "treating it like a real business". Well, maybe we could start with the biggest adult forum in the world. Right now it looks like a group of high school kids in here.

I like that kinda crazy feel myself. But let's don't show it to the fucking world. As I said before, let the trolls troll. It's great entertainment. But it should only be entertainment for those of us in this business and not on public display for outsiders who don't understand (or choose not to) that it's just people bullshitting around and not the "real" way that people do business.

I hope they ban all surfers or even people you would call surfers. Then we can sit back and watch what happens again. I said again because this has played out many times over the years on various sites.

"getting ridiculous"... ummm, the ship kinda sailed on that.

I admit that I am not in the adult business; however, I am very much in the internet selling biz. I have a website where I do all the programming and SEO, along with the thousand other jobs that go along with selling what I sell. I have been lurking here since 2005 and love this board. I only recently got the ability to post but I try very hard not to make posts in threads about the adult biz, as I don't have the experience or knowledge to add much to those discussions. But I have learned a lot about SEO hanging out here and I just enjoy the wide range of topics that get posted here. It's my favorite board.

I am not pro-pirate and I do not steal any porn in my personal life. I see how tubes and the rest are destroying the biz and I hate it. I have been a programmer for 26 years and I only wish I had known about affiliate programs and the rest back in 1997, 1998. I'd be rich now like a lot of you.

I understand where Robbie is coming from but I try not to be a douchebag and not stick my nose in where I have no business. I enjoy this board and most of the people on this board and I'd hate to have to leave.

I don't think it ever "played out" on any site.

Yeah, some forums started censoring and banning people in a power trip. Not talking about that at all.

Just show Eric you're in the biz. What's the problem if folks do that?

Every forum that I heard about going down was directly related to abuse of power. That isn't what I'm suggesting at all. I'm saying that it is supposed to be for the adult industry. People who are not part of or related in any way business-wise to it have nothing to contribute here in any way.

Do you really want to come here and discuss stuff with some 15 year old kid who is posing as a "webmaster"?

Or would you rather KNOW you were always talking to someone in the business whose opinion and experience would carry weight of some sort whether you agree or disagree with their point of view?

I would say that a person who is involved in the online industry would be a welcome person here. I would look at someone like you as "business related". You could definitely show Eric what you do for a living. And then have a "title" that said non-adult online business. I wouldn't see anything wrong with a person like you being here.

I know what you mean Robbie but still I am interested to hear all unfiltered information like Roald does also. Surfers ARE the end consumer of our industries' services and products afterall.
I can't imagine the owner of MacDonals saying all their franchise owners are stupid and all people who eat burgers are idiots. Doesn't make sense in my opinion.

Eric could make a separate section where it's more quite but it would not have many views, Eric needs all this drama and so many opinions; that is the businessmodel what makes GFY money and THAT attracks so many people coming here.

finally a smart post on this thread :thumbsup:thumbsup

There have been plenty in this thread.

However, I think this debate is falling on deaf ears.
:2 cents:

maybe,but when i see a guy with 8 k posts in 7-8 years want other members to be banned is sucks,with this kind of members this forum will die if they will make 2-3 posts/day.
no traffic = no advertising = NO MONEY

I like to read Robbie's opinion and that of other people also.
Piracy is not good for the copyright owners. I agree with Robbie on this, it affects his livelyhood.
On the other hand the outdated laws worldwide created a flaw that the industry has to deal with currently; "In transition" does come to mind for everybody to find a new way to survive their businesses, mine included. It's challenging for sure but exiting at the same time.

My point was that you are not hearing "unfiltered" anything. You are seeing surfers posing as webmasters. That tells you nothing.

Go to a surfer forum and pose as if you aren't involved in adult and then you will get honest unfiltered responses. Not here.

And why does having GFY as adult industry only (which is how it started) suddenly become analogous to a McDonalds owner thinking his franchisees and patrons are idiots?

I never said anyone was an idiot. I said that non-adult people don't contribute anything of value here. In fact they have HURT people's businesses on here.

And again...the business model of GFY has NEVER been surfer driven. Look at the banners. They are strictly sponsor programs trying to brand themselves to webmaster/affiliates. I have yet to see a paysite join banner here or someone actually selling a product to a consumer.

That is what would be marketed to surfers. Not banners enticing an affiliate to promote a certain sponsor.

This isn't supposed to be a tgp or a tube site. It's supposed to be an industry forum. That's what gives it it's true value. Not the useless surfer traffic that comes here.

Not one intelligent paysite or program owner has EVER advertised on GFY due to the traffic numbers of surfers here. The only reason I ever paid for a sticky on this board was to promote our program to affiliates. I didn't WANT surfers to see that.

That is a point of view, not a fact.

Robbie Suggestion:
Eliminating surfers, and those no longer in the adult industry who are just here to troll actual adult industry business owners. This would cut down on the volume of posts and random bullshit, sure. But the quality of the posts would go up in theory.

GFY Impact:
The ad VIEWS would go down, however the EXPOSURE to those who actually make buying decisions, and are in this industry, would go up. So the VALUE goes up for ad dollars spent to the advertiser. They are branding, or marketing, to those who actually have some money to their name and involved in this industry. Not the fry cooks. Again, QUALITY over quantity.

Surfers Impact:
They would need to either spend the time and effort to fake a website to get in. Or they would have to move on to another board where they can attack others without being regulated. for the sake of 'views'.

The point Robbie is trying to make is. The overall VALUE and QUALITY would go up for business owners and those in this industry. The entertainment of the fry cooks would go down.

there are more business orientated boards. you are free to go post on them today. come back in one years time to see your reply.

I agree. Especially with the last sentence. I'm not sure if I support making everyone prove they are in industry, however I would support it going forward for new registrations. I think there should also be some common sense applied. If you have someone who doesn't seem to know about the industry and goes around posting non-business related topics all the time and also likes to harass established members of the industry and openly taunt them for having content stolen from them then maybe someone should contact them and ask them to show that they aren't just a porn surfer in order to continue posting? Either that or read them the riot act about where they are and what is and is not appropriate. Or Perhaps only question those who seem to be causing problems rather than require all new people to prove they are in the industry?

If we are going to continue to allow porn surfers can there at least be some middle ground applied to make certain behaviors forbidden? I'm with Robbie in that I don't think it's appropriate for a porn surfer to be openly mocking an established member of the community for having his content stolen. Just my :2 cents: I realize I'm nothing but a poster here but I wanted to voice my opinion.

Read my last post about WHO the advertising on GFY is targeted to. You don't need or even want thousands of surfers seeing that kind of advertising for programs.

The board is already CLOSED to the general public now. And if you tried to join today...Eric requires proof that you are in this business I believe. So why not take the next logical step and clean out all non-adult industry people who have no business here at all.

The forum has already been hurt because REAL people in this business refuse to come here because it HURTS their business to post here instead of finding business opportunity.

Surfer traffic stats don't mean shit. Neither does having hundreds of useless "Would You Hit It" or "What I Ate For Breakfast" threads. I'd rather read ONE well written post by a person I know is in this business than a hundred surfer threads that are oh so "witty".

in fact is not my problem is just his opinion,sorry if i said something wrong

There are non industry on the board!? Omg!


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No worries champ.

I was simply pointing out the different points of view depending on the daily visitors of GFY in regards to Robbie's O.P.. You have those who are still very much in this industry, those who have left it, those who are not in it, and then GFY owners themselves and lastly the advertisers.
:2 cents:

There's this.

There is also all the people who sell services and scripts and packages of stuff dedicated to adult. It seems like you don't want them to have any brand new customers from gfy with huge dreams and a bit of money to piss up the wall that still goes round in circles within adult long after they have failed and fucked-off. If they can't get customers here or elsewhere within the adult boards then its off to spam the shit out of places like DigitalPoint where whether or not they get customers they will attract a lot more interest towards raping adult from the sort of internet user that you consider a parasite.

Everybody starts somewhere. You are coming across as a bit i'm alright Jack pull the ladder up - as if you don't want anybody else new to have a chance. In any business, if you havn't got a mentor, you need to be doing research before diving straight in and breaking your neck. If part of that research is reading the boards picking up ideas and also more importantly finding out what is going to be a complete waste of time why do you begrudge people that?

A lot of the trolling is going to come from the fact that most people are going to be working at home, alone, with less daytime social interaction with real people than is healthy. Somewhere to chat with people in the same situation keeps you from going nuts. I'd much rather some of the people that come across as complete mentals were abusing people on the internet than actually going out and doing it in real life as they had nowhere to vent. Some poor random on the street can't laugh off being stabbed in the same way you can laugh at someone on the internet and tell them to take their medicine and shut up.

First, before anyone accusses me of arse-sucking: YES I support what Robbie is saying. Here's why:

When I started a couple years ago I knew nothing about how to actually run a business. Zero. (Yes, now I know 2%.) So when I wanted to learn what to do I followed 3-4 people here on GFY. Read almost ALL their posts and threads, absorbed as much as I could. This is before I even joined GFY! I could tell by the intellgience of Robbie's posts that he was/is someone to learn from even though he's never given me any direct advice.

So, having a brain, I could discern who was full of SHITE and who had/has something to offer. Problem is Robbie no one will follow through on what you suggest.

So I suggest the following: We must police ourselves, those of us "in the biz" and we must use the ignore function to block out those we feel are NOT in this biz (i.e., trolls/surfers). Attention whores and shit-stirrers tend to go away if they don't get what they want: attention and shit. They seek it elsewhere.

So from now I do NOT want to see ANYONE with a join date of more than four years ago responding to ANY of the known trolls and surfers on here, and when in doubt (is he a troll? a webmaster?) don't respond either until you KNOW their role in the Industry.

Other than that: GFY biz as usual, sadly.

start. your. own. board.

free market. free country.

If you mean fake nicks, I don't think many of them here are surfers or kids or they would't be so upset about epass or post things that only people in the business know much about or care about.

More likely it's just acting and theater from affiliates and business owners wanting to express more then they would like they would do under their real names. This made GFY big to begin with.

This takes their breaks off in responses and some, I agree here, get a power kick out of it or a thrill in some cases or just postviews however you want to see it. Some become more honest if they post being anonymous, others may abuse it. Just the way it is.

The part I will never understand is....

the Industry has been supposedly in "Free Fall" for the past 4 years. At least this subject comes up over and over again... considering this is the case, WHY do all research studies show digital adult entertainment GROWING in revenue each year? I am truely confused...

If we are in free fall, we should have hit rock bottom already, yet there is still billions being spent each year... where is the free fall?

I've wondered this too, since my business has literally quadrupled in about 1 1/2 years. Maybe ppl mean the WAY they used to make $ is in free fall? Huh

In sites that had their last update 5 years ago and have nothing new to offer the customer.

What I learned in 23 years of porn business from magazines, 8mm tapes, vhs, dvd to web and mobile is: nothing really changed. People still like and look for porn and you can earn from that pool.

The tricky part is keeping up with 'feeling' consumer trends in existing and emerging markets, being a country, a technology, a device, a billing method, business model, content itself, pricing, niches, easy of use, customer appricitiation, laws or an old fashioned AIDA. Next to a million other possibilities or a combination of previous mentioned factors.

every site is affected by the free porn giveaway by the big tube sites, it's just the shit sites are hit harder.

verifying would take a lot of work, not to mention what is the criteria for being "in the adult" industry.

Wouldn't it be easier to just ban the trolls right away, 1 strike you out. The biggest problem is from the people in the industry with 10 fake nicks that use those accounts to be anonymous and troll. Fake (multiple) nicks should be banned, that would be a great start. The rules say you not suppose to have a fake nick anyways. (not enforced).

Quoted for truth.

And if Robbie wants to start his own l33t industry only board, I can't see anyone stopping him.

mulletsagainstpiracy.com is free.

"all the research studies" .... for example??? can you point me to a few of these studies?

lol :1orglaugh

no offense to you, but if you just started in the last couple years and your business quadrupled, how much money is that really? If you were making $100 a week and now you making $400, while making 4x more sounds good, that isn't a relevant example to why aren't most other people making more not less. Someone could have had just a 20% drop over the last couple years and be making millions less a year.

It's harder to make money these days. If you are new and you are able to make money you are at an advantage vs someone who has been around a long time but has gotten fat and lazy and their revenue methods are dwindling fast. You figured out how to make money in today's environment, their ways are outdated and don't work. All they know how to do is spend, not make. You just want to make sure you don't ever become the fat calf.

go start your own board and see how well it does with 1 relevant, business post a day. As much as I don't like the bullshit and non business threads, some of the BUSINESS people here do like them. So they might come here to talk politics or sports but while here also talk in some business threads. It keeps people on the site longer and coming back more often. Non business threads isn't the problem. Non industry people isn't the problem. The problem is the fake nicks and anonymous trouble starters that aren't banned right away.

http://www.xbizresearch.com/getreport.php

Also http://parksassociates.ecnext.com/co...0256-11343_ITM mentions some adult entertainment numbers I think...

or search a bit on http://www.globalbusinessinsights.com/

I do not think Robbie is saying business only threads.

He is saying threads/forum with only active actual adult industry people.

There is a difference.
:2 cents:

Robbie,

how do you begin to set the criteria for being allowed to stay? who gets a golden ticket and who gets axed?

i.e. someone like me. i have no public site of any consequence and haven't had one for years. i have no documents to submit to "verify" adult involvement, and even if i did, there's no way i'd ever submit such things to a messageboard for "approval". basically, the only thing i've got to "prove" my continued involvement in adult is my word, which just like everyone else, as only as good as [the final GFY Membership decision maker] feels it is.

then what about the peeps that were in adult, but have shifted into other areas but still enjoy reading, contributing, or "fucking around"? do they get in past the bouncer or left outside the club? what about the peeps trying to break into adult? should they come back after they've become successful enough to have proof that they belong?


i understand your frustration, but it's not like GFY is providing vast amounts of paid membership quality information or tutorials or something. you should already know the golden rule: if you want to offer exclusive membership, it needs to be worth it or you'll have no members. no members = death. :2 cents:

I only read this board every few months and no longer post here. not only is it useless to me, it's lurking with snitches, haters, and every alphabet agency known to man. If cointelpro exists still you will find them here. what's the point of having a private board filled with CIs and idiots. feel free to ban/block me.

I thought you vanished because of the thread about vivoxxx.com?

i just came home from delivering pizza

I didn;t say I don't do business here :2 cents:

I understand your point Raold. But I dont think Robbie is talking about people that disagree here. This board is now full of useless posters that bring absolutely nothing but hate to the board and industry. Thats what he is talking about. I mean really.. tke a look at who is posting these days and what they are posting.. its fucking rediculous. All Robbie is asking is to make this an industry only board. I agree with everything he is saying. I also see some valid points of people that disagree. Maybe this board should have a surfer section where they can voice their opinions to the industry.

AND YES GAZILLIONAIRES. I went to get a tissue at your booth last year in Berlin and they were 100 dollar bills.

Believe it or not but I my grade school was run by harsh nuns and my college was run by liberal Jezuit's practising karate, smoking weed old beared guys with flip flops instead of shoes.

Bible studies learned me to read between the lines and not to look for God in a church.

GFY is a treasure map when you know how to read gfy language.

and it was a cold pizza you bastard!!!

/trolling

lol $1 bills, pay attention please!!!!

PS: I still don't agree with Robbie :thumbsup