So you still think no planes were involved ?
because you read online that no pieces were found.
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no dumb fuck, the visual accounts from people who were in that area said the plane nose dived into the ground, so it hit the ground going straight down not trying to do an emergency landing. Come on you should know this stuff with all of your research trying to prove it was a conspiracy.
So you still think no planes were involved ? because you read online that no pieces were found.
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Shanksville, PAOriginally posted by will76
The PA Mushroom Cloud
First, we'll start with an eyewitness's photo. In this photo we see what doesn't resemble a large aircraft explosion after impact - like the 3 other incidences. Rather, this small mushroom cloud would compare to the impact of an ordnance blast.
Shanksville Crash Site #1
The next 3 photos are all too familiar from mainstream media sources. They all show what has been described as a crater 40 feet in diameter and about 20-30 feet deep. This hole isn't even big enough to represent a plane crashing.
Shanksville Crash Site #2
The official story is that the plane, and pretty much every piece of it, has been embedded in the ground with the tail section being about 15-25 feet below the bottom of the crater. Both Flight Recorder boxes (designed for plane crashes) just happened to be recovered near the top but are both badly damaged.
Shanksville Crash Site #3
Shanksville Mayor Ernie Stull, one of the first to arrive at the scene, made the following comments to German documentary film makers in 2003... "There is no plane." "Nothing, Just this hole." "...when we got there, there wasn't anything."
Shanksville Crash Site #4
For the first time in aviation history, 4 plane crashes in one day disintegrated into nothing. The first 2 being somewhat understandable, but the other 2 being pretty tough to swallow. Specifically when you look at the pictures above and try to comprehend a plane being "totally devoured" by the earth.
A Boeing 757
Just to be clear, we are talking about the plane in this photo, which can carry over 300 passengers. Is it also not a coincidence that all 4 planes were only full to 20% capacity while pretty much every other airliner in service that day was around 80% capacity? Could terrorists control passenger flow?
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Amp, you still haven't answer what DID crash into the Pentagon and the towers as you are so sure it weren't planes. Why do you refuse to say what you think it is?Comment
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I love to question authority.i would say its amazing... but its NOT amazing how people (especially americans) blindly follow what they feel is 'authority'. they will not only NOT question that authority, they will argue and swear by the word of that authority even without any intimate knowledge of the motives of the authority. if the government actually made an announcement ADMITTING its involvement in 9/11, 99% of the american public STILL wouldn't believe it was true - and you fuckers thought the matrix was a movie about fighting in slow motion... ZEITGEIST.
JFK? That so did not go down the way the US Government told us. I've read about it from all angles. Oswald took a pot shot at JFK and missed - which resulted in the chip in the sidewalk - and then the Secret Service pulled out their wepons, Uzis, one of them in the car behind JFK went off, killing him.
Did we go to the moon? I believe we did.
But in this case, there isn't anything that says "the US is behind this".Herschel Savage
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silly boy. how many times do i have to mock & laugh at you before you figure it out?
i owe you nothing. not a serious answer, not a goofy answer, not any answer at all.
shitting on me is not the way to engage me in a topic. but i hold no grudges and you are free to give it a genuine try again in another thread, and maybe i'll give you something more than pics of William Shatner as a response.SIG TOO BIGComment
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"They must find it difficult, those that take authority as truth, instead of truth as the authority"Comment
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Your wrong. The WTC design was special. Each floor had a center core and then was open all the way to the edge of the building. In a way, each floor was "suspended" from the outer edge to the inner core, which allowed each floor to have a huge amount of open space. The problem is when one floor fell, it fell onto the floor below it, which in turn fell on the floor below that, and so forth. When a ten ton floor drops onto the floor below it, it's only common sense that the floor below it is going to give way.
It just pancaked.
Maybe. But not when the "support" has been impacted by an airplane and the resulting fire. If you were to carefully remove 25% of the support for each floor, you might have a chance. But if you tear out 25% of the floor across four or five floors by ramming it with an airplane, well, all bets are off.Herschel Savage
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then what of WTC7? no planes hit that one and it fell without any resistance. fire did that?
and what of the witnesses that were inside WTC7 and reported explosions at the base level of the building? they lying about it?
okay.... so everyone knows that random explosions just happen from time to time inside buildings spontaneously.... but none that level the building without that specific intention.SIG TOO BIGComment
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I believe the pictures I posted all came from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93
And this is what slays me... Most of the "truth" sites claim "there is no wreckage" from the Flight 93 crash site, yet they also question why pieces of the airplane were found two or three miles away from the crash site
Your telling me this is too small to be a an aircraft engine. That's because your paying attention.
Look again at this engine part from the PA crash site:
Now look above the engine. See that cart? That's something they tow behind trucks. I'm guessing it's a kind of power generator. It's about the size of a small car. And that engine prop dwarfs it. It's not small at all. It's very large.Herschel Savage
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that genny is also 50 yards behind it. it's called "perspective".I believe the pictures I posted all came from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93
And this is what slays me... Most of the "truth" sites claim "there is no wreckage" from the Flight 93 crash site, yet they also question why pieces of the airplane were found two or three miles away from the crash site
Your telling me this is too small to be a an aircraft engine. That's because your paying attention.
Look again at this engine part from the PA crash site:
Now look above the engine. See that cart? That's something they tow behind trucks. I'm guessing it's a kind of power generator. It's about the size of a small car. And that engine prop dwarfs it. It's not small at all. It's very large.
bring that generator to the same distance from the camera as the scrap metal and you'd see it's approximately the size of one of the genny tires.Last edited by Amputate Your Head; 09-13-2010, 12:05 PM.SIG TOO BIGComment
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We covered this already. I even provided you with graphics showing how the millions of tons of debris physically entered and took out some of the support of the building. Because your really slow, I'll include it again:
Why did WTC7 fall? Gee, let's count the reasons. It was on fire. It sufferer two earthquakes when two large buildings fell. It as hit by millions of tons of debris - both on top of the building, and at the bottom.
Here's a picture of the second tower coming down. That building you see - is WTC7.
How can you not see this?Herschel Savage
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why weren't all the other surrounding buildings equally as destroyed?We covered this already. I even provided you with graphics showing how the millions of tons of debris physically entered and took out some of the support of the building. Because your really slow, I'll include it again:
Why did WTC7 fall? Gee, let's count the reasons. It was on fire. It sufferer two earthquakes when two large buildings fell. It as hit by millions of tons of debris - both on top of the building, and at the bottom.
Here's a picture of the second tower coming down. That building you see - is WTC7.
How can you not see this?SIG TOO BIGComment
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just wanna recap here....
so we now know that:
a single commercial jet liner can be flown like a pro pilot in an F-18 with minimal training from crop dusting school in Florida.
we know a single commercial jet liner can bring down a skyscraper.
we know commercial jet liner and all its passengers can turn to vapor and vanish.
we know commercial jet liner's can fit into 20 - 30ish foot wide holes.
we know the earth can swallow an entire commercial jet liner with just a puff a smoke.
we know the pentagon can swallow an entire commercial jet liner whole.
we know buildings collapse in free fall from some fire and some junk being thrown against it.
we know that an entire group of passengers faced with imminent death are too scared of a couple of guys with box cutters to do anything but accept their fate.
we know passports are impervious to flame and heat so hot that it's capable of melting steel girders into puddles.
we know the Patriot Act passed into law with as much resistance as a falling 9/11 skyscraper.
we know the gov has been pushing Real ID for years.
we know we invaded two countries using 9/11 as the reason.
we know Homeland Security & the TSA were installed using 9/11 as the reason.
but......
"it was terrorists, nothing to see here, we have an official report."
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I guess you weren't paying attention that day.
WTC 5 - large fire and a partial collapse
St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - Destroyed.
Marriott Hotel 3 WTC - Destroyed
South Plaza (4 WTC) - Destroyed.
6 WTC - Destroyed.
Seven other buildings were impacted too.
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaps...d_Trade_Center
You claim to be an expert on how the goverment is behind this, yet you don't even know what buildings were destroyed.Herschel Savage
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just wanna recap here....
so we now know that:
a single commercial jet liner can be flown like a pro pilot in an F-18 with minimal training from crop dusting school in Florida.
we know a single commercial jet liner can bring down a skyscraper.
we know commercial jet liner and all its passengers can turn to vapor and vanish.
we know commercial jet liner's can fit into 20 - 30ish foot wide holes.
we know the earth can swallow an entire commercial jet liner with just a puff a smoke.
we know the pentagon can swallow an entire commercial jet liner whole.
we know buildings collapse in free fall from some fire and some junk being thrown against it.
we know that an entire group of passengers faced with imminent death are too scared of a couple of guys with box cutters to do anything but accept their fate.
we know passports are impervious to flame and heat so hot that it's capable of melting steel girders into puddles.
we know the Patriot Act passed into law with as much resistance as a falling 9/11 skyscraper.
we know the gov has been pushing Real ID for years.
we know we invaded two countries using 9/11 as the reason.
we know Homeland Security & the TSA were installed using 9/11 as the reason.
a single commercial jet liner can be flown like a pro pilot in an F-18 with minimal training from crop dusting school in Florida - Yes
we know a single commercial jet liner can bring down a skyscraper - Yes
we know commercial jet liner and all its passengers can turn to vapor and vanish - Yes. We watched that video of a plane hitting a concrete wall, remember?
we know commercial jet liner's can fit into 20 - 30ish foot wide holes Maybe. But we know that big planes and vaporize when hitting strong concrete buildings.
we know the earth can swallow an entire commercial jet liner with just a puff a smoke - Sort of. We know that when a plane crashes head first into the ground it makes a big hole, lots of the plane gets embedded deep underground, and the rest gets scattered around a huge area.
we know the pentagon can swallow an entire commercial jet liner whole -Yes. The Pentagon is a huge building. If a jet airplane hits it at 500 mph it will vaporize and the rest will be swallowed up into the building. Remember the pictures of the huge jet engine?
we know buildings collapse in free fall from some fire and some junk being thrown against it.No. We know that some buildings fall after going through two earthquakes, a huge fire, hundreds of tons of debris falling on it, and and having a portion of it's infrastruture destroyed.
we know that an entire group of passengers faced with imminent death are too scared of a couple of guys with box cutters to do anything but accept their fate - No. In the case of Flight 93 they tried to over take them.
we know passports are impervious to flame and heat so hot that it's capable of melting steel girders into puddles - Not really. We know that billions of pieces of paper fell from the WTC towers as the airplanes hit. Keep in mind both WTC towers were enclosed, meaning you couldn't open up windows. You suddenly punch huge holes in the walls everything gets sucked up. You know that though, because you saw the videos.
we know the Patriot Act passed into law with as much resistance as a falling 9/11 skyscraper - Seems so.
we know the gov has been pushing Real ID for years - I have no idea. But I still only have my state DL.
we know we invaded two countries using 9/11 as the reason - No, we invaded one country - Afghanistan - which the US had zero interest in Afghanistan. Iraq was because of the 1991 invsaion of Kuwait.
we know Homeland Security & the TSA were installed using 9/11 as the reason I thought you were wrong here, but your right about the TSA. It was in fact created after 9/11 in direct response to 9/11. But.. What does that have to do with anything? We had security people in place, but they were locally controlled, underfunded, and lacked any real training.
I really hope I cleared up some of these items for you here.Herschel Savage
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Fox News showed this video live after the towers fell on 9/11 - but wasn't it night time over there?Comment
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sorry, i don't buy it just because you say it's possible. and even if it is theoretically possible, the odds are a bit steep.
i was being facetious.
still a test plane, not a commercial jet, no humans on board, not as much fuel, not traveling as fast as a jet, it was hitting a test wall, not a building or the ground, and there were large visible chunks of debris from the crashed test plane in the very video you're referencing which in combination with every other variable difference negates the whole reference to begin with.
yes... lol
just curious, since the plane and all the passengers were "embedded" in the earth, did they ever dig them out?
i remember pics of a small one.
now there were earthquakes too? at the same time? what did the USGS record them as based on the Richter magnitude scale?
were you on board? or are you just repeating the story you've been told?
the passport should have been inside the jet that was vaporized. not an office. if the jet and everything in it was vaporized, how did the passport end up on the street undamaged? were the jet windows open too?
well they have, and still are.
interesting... so we're still spending billions on a war with a country we have zero interest in? who's running this show?
what does 1991 or Kuwait have to do with invading Iraq in this millenium? Fact: 9/11 was the original "reason" for going to Iraq in 2003, and when that failed miserably they created "WMDs". When that failed miserably, they just said fuck it, called it "liberation" and quit giving reasons.
lol, okay Roc. if they make you feel warm and secure, then they've succeeded with you. the TSA & Homeland Security do not give me warm fuzzies.
not really.
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and just as a reciprocal dig here....
you claim that everything the government has told us is the truth, yet you don't even realize the consequences of it, such as the subsequent creation of the TSA and Homeland Security specifically because of 9/11. Some dude called 'Amputate Your Head' on a board called Go Fuck Yourself just enlightened you to that nugget nine years after the fact. How much more do you not know?
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Amp, and mediaretard, the first attack on the wtc towers in 93, also a false flag op? They arrested several muslim guys. You got any nutjob theories about that?Comment
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Also what reason would the US government, Bush or whoever you think that is involved have to destroy 3 buildings and the Pentagon?
Why?
Do i think Bush used the attacks to start another war? Yes.
Would planes flying into the WTC be enough for him to start a war? Yes.
What extra value did it have to them that the towers went down?
Give me one good reason. Just one.Comment
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The attack was real, real bad people, really attacking us.
That doesn't mean it wasn't allowed, funded, and backed by our Gov when our Gov has without question done this before, started wars based on lies before and almost attacked it's own people to go to war with Cuba. The United States has a recorded history of faking war, fake intelligence, fake reports, faking terror/terror groups in America and so on just to continue on with fear, wars, ideas and a direction that keeps us following fake ghosts of terror and fear based on lies and half truths.
Real planes, fake or not, bombs or not, help or not.... thinking our Gov wouldn't do this, that they wouldn't support this, back it, finance it, help and so on means you're completely naive of history.Last edited by TheDoc; 09-13-2010, 02:52 PM.
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it's almost as if people still think about the events of 9/11 as though they were happening live.
i know there were a lot of us right here, posting before & during the entire thing. i know, i was one of them. but it was 9 years ago, not yesterday. obviously a mountain of shit has come to light since that day. i don't understand how someone can look at everything that we know (and don't know) today + our own historical record of this shit + everything that has happened since, and still buy into the government story. it does not compute.SIG TOO BIGComment
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To create a shit load of fear large enough to change the mental state of every American, and it worked.
Why would we attack ourselves and lie about it for Vietnam? Fear, money, greed, power...
Why after Communism was clearly falling did our Country prosecute American Citizens for being Communists? To create fear.
Why did our Schools teach children to hide under desks? So we wouldn't forget who the bad guy was.
Why did the American Gov lie about the status of Communism, Russia, and it's war power? To make Americans Unite under a common cause and continue on with the lie.
Why did we lie about terrorists cells within America? Fear...
Why did we lie about dirty bombs? Fear...
Why did we make up a group named Al Qaeda? To create a bad guy.
Why would American attack itself or help attack itself or fake/lie about possible attacks, again? To unite the citizens once again for a common cause that we support without questioning, based on false fears.
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ground stop ... airforce one had to land and yet the bin laden family (sauds, bush family friends) jet was allowed to head out ... hmmm?Last edited by Overload; 09-13-2010, 04:50 PM.There aren't enough faces and palms on this planet for an appropriate reaction to religion.
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if you haven't watched Loose Change 9/11 then you need to.
if you've seen it and still have no problem with the government's version of events, there is something wrong with you.SIG TOO BIGComment
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what really worries me most ... the towers came down in FREE FALL SPEED as if there was no inner structure whatsoever ... if my memo serves me well there once was a bomber crashing into the ESB and it burned bright alight four HOURS - and yet it didnt bring the tower down ... and then just a FEW minutes of fire brought down the WTC? a joke ...There aren't enough faces and palms on this planet for an appropriate reaction to religion.
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You can easily look it up on Google, most is easily to obtain information from wiki...
We did attack ourselves/stage a fake attack for Vietnam, the USSR was falling and people secretly did get accused, a USSR military build up was not happening and our schools did promote fear, they did lie about the build up in general, the terrorist cells in America were never found to be real, dirty bombs are not actually dangerious, we twisted what al-qieda did/was into funded and name given Al-Qaeda to Bin Laden, and we have attacked ourselves in other ways, tests, etc.. all again can be looked up and is public information.Last edited by TheDoc; 09-13-2010, 05:31 PM. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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There aren't enough faces and palms on this planet for an appropriate reaction to religion.
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besides of all that ... if planes brought down the towers - how come the damage to the pentagon is so little? i mean ... serious - if all impacts had been caused by similar planes ... how come the pentagon was just a lil penetrated and the towers went down? the story doesnt add up at all
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the fact that you look at the facts and circumstances surrounding what happened and make this statement shows your personal refusal to acknowledge the possibility. wake up, unplug dude. then again, its impossible to debate with people who are part of a culture that embraces belief in fantastical beings and fairy tales
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