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Brujah · 03-17-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by xholly

my friend who works for the Rockerfellers said if we get to page 21 he's gonna reveal all.

So stay tuned for page 21 guys. Itll blow your mind.

My friend who is a Rothschild said not to worry, they'll have your friend taken care of before page 21.

mayabong · 03-17-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Well of course. The Jews are behind two out of every three conspiracy theories out there.

What in the would would Israel have to gain by the US invading Afghanistan? A pipeline? Security? Peace in the middle east? Ten years later, and nothing in the middle east has changed for Israel.

Don't get me wrong here. Israel is not a nation of angels. It's not like they haven't directly attacked the US with provocation and without warning. But it seems to me they had nothing to gain and everything to loose by doing this.

Looks like Iran is surrounded to me.

Please read "A clean break" put out by an Israeli think tank before 911. Everything is going according to plan, from the ouster of Saddam to the destablizing of syria.

Israel's goal is to expand its borders, they can't do it by themselves with all these crazy arabs around.

Company that shipped the all the evidence to china.. jewish owned.. building owner.. jewish... head of homeland security.. jewish... company that let the "hijackers" on the planes.. Israeli owned. 5 israeli's arrested on 911, owner of the company they worked for (urban moving systems) fled to israel before the feds got him... no news coverage...

Hey it was the arabs! Everything else is a conspiracy theory!(retard emote)

BFT3K · 03-17-2012, 01:23 PM

Yay! 1,000 Conspiracy Posts!

Coup · 03-17-2012, 01:33 PM

whole lotta crazy in this thread.

JFK · 03-17-2012, 01:33 PM

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Yay! 1,000 Conspiracy Posts!

NICE

Dirty F · 03-17-2012, 01:33 PM

The truther:

Muslimterrorists who hijacked a plane? Impossible!
A tower that went down because a massive plane full of fuel flew into it? Impossible.

A conspiracy where a government places bombs in their own towers without anyone seeing it, blowing up 2 towers for God knows what reason, killing 3000 of it's own people, fake the terrorists, remote control planes, make a few planes with people dissapear, having 1000's of people involved without anyone coming forward? Sure, no problem. Totally plausible.

Dirty F · 03-17-2012, 01:36 PM

We all know that muslim terrorists would never do such a thing.

DWB · 03-17-2012, 02:20 PM

........ orb.

wehateporn · 03-17-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

........ orb.

I'm more thinking along the lines of one of these likely suspects

wehateporn · 03-17-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Building 7 was never hit by a plane

Building 7 has nothing to do with 9/11 or the events of that day, it is blasphemy to talk about it and it never even existed.

Rochard · 03-17-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong

Looks like Iran is surrounded to me.

Not so much. Seems we are no longer in Iraq.

I've given this a lot of thought, and for a while you have to admit the US was in the perfect place to strike out at Iran. Iran was surrounded. But ten years later later, we've pulled out of Iraq, and Iran is still in power.

Did the Bush administration do 9/11 to push us into Afghanistan, and then created a false reason to invade Iraq? So that we could surround Iran? On paper that sounds like a brilliant move. But in reality... Why would you invade two countries, when your real goal was to attack another country?

This is where the false flag idea looses ground. No one would stage a false flag attack so that the US would attack a worthless country. If the goal was Iran, why not just covertly attack oil tankers in the gulf and lead tracks back to Iran - giving the world a reason to attack.

wehateporn · 03-17-2012, 04:07 PM

In an interview with Amy Goodman on March 2, 2007, U.S. General Wesley Clark (Ret.), explains that the Bush Administration planned to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, Iran

It's taken a lot longer than planned, expect wars on Lebanon and Iran soon. Most likely Lebanon will be another UN Humanitarian/Regime Change scam, but only after Assad has been overthrown/assassinated in Syria (to free up CIA Proxy Army/Al Qaeda to go to Lebanon). They've created UN controlled South Sudan i.e. the oil region of Sudan. The British are drawing up oil contracts with Somalia, so there's only Lebanon and Iran left from the original list.

mayabong · 03-17-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

We all know that muslim terrorists would never do such a thing.

Just like those muslim terrorists in the Lavon Affair episode. Oh wait they weren't supposed to get caught.

uno · 03-17-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

is that a Final Fantasy cactuar?

uno · 03-17-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mayabong

Looks like Iran is surrounded to me.

Please read "A clean break" put out by an Israeli think tank before 911. Everything is going according to plan, from the ouster of Saddam to the destablizing of syria.

Israel's goal is to expand its borders, they can't do it by themselves with all these crazy arabs around.

Company that shipped the all the evidence to china.. jewish owned.. building owner.. jewish... head of homeland security.. jewish... company that let the "hijackers" on the planes.. Israeli owned. 5 israeli's arrested on 911, owner of the company they worked for (urban moving systems) fled to israel before the feds got him... no news coverage...

Hey it was the arabs! Everything else is a conspiracy theory!(retard emote)

linkhotten

xholly · 03-17-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

My friend who is a Rothschild said not to worry, they'll have your friend taken care of before page 21.

Seems it was too much for my friend and he decided to take his life by shooting himself 7 times in the head. RIP you brave soul.

Before he died he managed to spit out the words "Jewish Aliens"

I dunno, im scared now.

MediaGuy · 03-17-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

pull a quote for your assertion. can't find anything you are claiming in your sources.

also the towers were built to widthstand planes such as the 707. the 757 was a heavier plane. this is basic shit here.

Advancements in civil aerospace technology, including high-bypass-ratio turbofan engines, new flight deck systems, aerodynamic improvements, and lighter construction materials were to be applied to the 7X7

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...plus improved aluminum alloys, which together reduce overall weight by 1,900 pounds (860 kg) versus preceding aircraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767

Phoenix · 03-17-2012, 06:39 PM

why do people feel it would take 1000's of people to be involved to pull this off as a government conspiracy? however they feel that 19 semi retarded muslims and one bearded rich guy could pull it off with ease?

Brujah · 03-17-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by xholly

Seems it was too much for my friend and he decided to take his life by shooting himself 7 times in the head. RIP you brave soul.

Before he died he managed to spit out the words "Jewish Aliens"

I dunno, im scared now.

Are they - jewish aliens - the anal probe type?

wehateporn · 03-17-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

why do people feel it would take 1000's of people to be involved to pull this off as a government conspiracy? however they feel that 19 semi retarded muslims and one bearded rich guy could pull it off with ease?

They're regurgitating what they've been told by mainstream media propaganda outlets; the propaganda techniques focus on giving people 'beliefs' rather than solid information/science; the same technique used by religions. Thinking it would take 1000's of people is just a belief and is not based on real evidence or data. At the same time the propaganda outlets (like JohnnyClips says) have provided the people with a contradictory belief about how only a few muslims from third world countries would be required to carry out a major attack on the worlds greatest superpower.

MediaGuy · 03-17-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

From Wikipedia:

Thermite may be used for repair by the welding in-place of thick steel sections such as locomotive axle-frames where the repair can take place without removing the part from its installed location.

Thermite can be used for quickly cutting or welding steel such as rail tracks, without requiring complex or heavy equipment. However, defects such as slag inclusions and voids (holes) are often present in such welded junctions and great care is needed to operate the process successfully. Care must also be taken to ensure that the rails remain straight, without resulting in dipped joints, which can cause wear on high speed and heavy axle load lines.

Copper thermite is used for welding together thick copper wires for the purpose of electrical connections. It is used extensively by the electrical utilities and telecommunications industries (exothermic welded connections).

Now on top of this, we find out that it's used by "electrical utilities and telecommunications industries". How many mires of electrical wires and telecommunications cables was in the towers, keeping mind this is a city of fifty thousand people?

You keep doing this - pretending that it's impossible to find a certain chemical but the truth is these chemicals are pretty common.

I don't think I claimed it was impossible... and your wikipedia quote re-enforces my statement that thermite welding is performed in large, industrial steel and eletrical conduit conditions, not inside, and doesn't in any way confirm your claim that it's "common sense" that thermite was used in the construction of the WTC - although that's not impossible, and I reiterate that the levels of types of thermite and thermate should not be in a normal office/building fire.

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Now your getting into nonsense. They should have kept evidence. Um, where? Where in the world are they going to keep billions and billions of tons of evidence?

First, your "billions" is ridiculous. Second, all crashed airliners have had their parts collected and reassembled under warehouse conditions to help their investigation.

Before shipping off the girders and wreckage of the buildings, they should have had a fire engineer forensics team in there after which any and all tagged parts and then some would have been carted off to warehouses and other guarded lab environments for closer scrutiny.

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Your also saying that "investigation protecols demand" that they look for accelerants, etc... And I disagree with you. When you have it on video tape that a plane with ten thousand gallons of jet fuel rams into a building, I'm guessing they knew the cause the fires without having to guess. I'm just saying.

Well it pissed off quite a few potential investigators, from FEMA, who were allowed a "tourist trip" hands-off tour of the pit, to qualified fire and other forensics engineers who had never seen a violation of NFPA code before. This included the Association of Fire Investigators and the International Arson Investigators.

Violation or negligent misapplication of the code is punishable by grievous fines, imprisonment or both depending on the severity of the offense.

The editor of Fire Engineering magazine weighed in with his opinion: http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...stigation.html

xholly · 03-17-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Are they - jewish aliens - the anal probe type?

Ive already said too much, His ass was bleeding however.

awww fuck, I need a gun.

xholly · 03-17-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

why do people feel it would take 1000's of people to be involved to pull this off as a government conspiracy? however they feel that 19 semi retarded muslims and one bearded rich guy could pull it off with ease?

because all the terrorists had to do was board a plane, take it over and steer it into the biggest landmarks in the skyline.

making whole plane loads of people vanish, staging phone calls from inside the plane. the people required to load and board the plane, the people required to rig the towers with explosives, the people required to cover it up afterwards. The media who were also apparantly in on it, The Jews etc etc

you force all those people to be involved by the nature of your arguments, you bring them in as excess baggage.

xholly · 03-17-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Yup

How would the Holocaust take place? Wouldn't there need to be thousands of people in on it? Wouldn't SOMEONE have come forward and stopped it?

xholly · 03-17-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Government says x
Common sense says x is bullshit and ridiculous
Brainwashed sheep says x is legit and the truth...because the government says x

x is not based in the truth nor has NOTHING to do with the truth. They can say a, b, h or z and the same pattern occurs

I could'nt give a fuck what the US government says, especially what some dumbass republican president says.

The real government conspiracy occured in the years following 911 with the patriot act and the invasion of Iraq. I was involved and giving my support to movements trying to stop this and unlike you I was not 10 years old at the time.

xholly · 03-17-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

and how'd that work out?

not very well since dumbass sheep like yourself are too busy arguing over stupid distractions to accomplish real change in the world.

Rochard · 03-17-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

I don't think I claimed it was impossible... and your wikipedia quote re-enforces my statement that thermite welding is performed in large, industrial steel and eletrical conduit conditions, not inside, and doesn't in any way confirm your claim that it's "common sense" that thermite was used in the construction of the WTC - although that's not impossible, and I reiterate that the levels of types of thermite and thermate should not be in a normal office/building fire.

Listen very carefully to what your saying here.

"Large, industrial steel, and electrical conduits".

The entire complex including the the towers were built on large, industrial steel. Fifty thousand people worked in this building, it has it's own zip code, and a massive amount of electrical and telecommunications conduits. It has it's own it's diesel power plants.

At what point in time are you going to understand that finding these chemicals are not uncommon in a complex of this size.

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First, your "billions" is ridiculous. Second, all crashed airliners have had their parts collected and reassembled under warehouse conditions to help their investigation.

It was estimated to be 1.2 million tons.

Yes, they do, and they fit neatly in to large warehouses. There isn't a warehouse that could fit 1.2 million tons.

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Before shipping off the girders and wreckage of the buildings, they should have had a fire engineer forensics team in there after which any and all tagged parts and then some would have been carted off to warehouses and other guarded lab environments for closer scrutiny.

Didn't they? Seems we know all about every last ounce of chemical that has come out of the debris, from barium to thermiate to iron rich micro spheres.

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Violation or negligent misapplication of the code is punishable by grievous fines, imprisonment or both depending on the severity of the offense.

And?

The buildings came down not because of some code violation, but because large airplanes crashed into them.

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The editor of Fire Engineering magazine weighed in with his opinion: http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...stigation.html

Blah blah blah. So an editor of an online fire engineering magazine has his panties in a bunch because they are selling off scrap iron. We've already done an investigation, and we know exactly what happened. Why do we need to do more investigations?

2MuchMark · 03-17-2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

First, your "billions" is ridiculous. Second, all crashed airliners have had their parts collected and reassembled under warehouse conditions to help their investigation.

Before shipping off the girders and wreckage of the buildings, they should have had a fire engineer forensics team in there after which any and all tagged parts and then some would have been carted off to warehouses and other guarded lab environments for closer scrutiny.

Are you saying that any parts of the planes that hit WTC might actually be found, examined cataloged? And that if any parts were not found, that this somehow feeds your conspiracy theory that planes did not take down the towers?

uno · 03-18-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Yup

How would the Holocaust take place? Wouldn't there need to be thousands of people in on it? Wouldn't SOMEONE have come forward and stopped it?

Dumbass, there were many thousands of people involved and people did try to stop it.

uno · 03-18-2012, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by xholly

I could'nt give a fuck what the US government says, especially what some dumbass republican president says.

The real government conspiracy occured in the years following 911 with the patriot act and the invasion of Iraq. I was involved and giving my support to movements trying to stop this and unlike you I was not 10 years old at the time.

Something tells me you're being too generous in your assessment of his age.

uno · 03-18-2012, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Are you saying that any parts of the planes that hit WTC might actually be found, examined cataloged? And that if any parts were not found, that this somehow feeds your conspiracy theory that planes did not take down the towers?

I've seen plenty of pictures of aircraft debris around ground zero. /shrug.

MediaGuy · 03-18-2012, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Listen very carefully to what your saying here.

"Large, industrial steel, and electrical conduits".

The entire complex including the the towers were built on large, industrial steel. Fifty thousand people worked in this building, it has it's own zip code, and a massive amount of electrical and telecommunications conduits. It has it's own it's diesel power plants.

At what point in time are you going to understand that finding these chemicals are not uncommon in a complex of this size.

I should have been more specific. Apologies. What I meant essentially are the types of things illustrated by your Wikipedia quote: railroad ties, electrical conductors, welding done remotely and in open air conditions, not building construction (and yes I know buildings are "open air" sites at first).

I don't know whether or not they do, but I've never heard of it. Have you or are you just using your "common sense" to assume this kind of welding is done with building construction?

Finding thermite is pretty uncommon, I would guess, or it wouldn't get anyone's panties in a bunch, and finding military patented thermate is probably impossible, especially unignited stuff.

However as I've repeated it wasn't the presence of but the high levels of the materials that was telling.

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Yes, they do, and they fit neatly in to large warehouses. There isn't a warehouse that could fit 1.2 million tons.

I wasn't talking about treating the whole set of towers like airplane investigations, just conducting an investigation, period. I'm not sure exactly how fire investigators would have conducted it, but having access to the metal to understand why and how it behaved the way it did would have been a good start.

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Didn't they? Seems we know all about every last ounce of chemical that has come out of the debris, from barium to thermiate to iron rich micro spheres.

These materials were found in WTC dust layering apartments and offices blocks and blocks away from the site. Hardly any of the metal was preserved or catalogued.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The buildings came down not because of some code violation, but because large airplanes crashed into them.

I wasn't talking about building code violation. I was referring to the NFPA fire and explosion investigation code, which is always followed.

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Blah blah blah. So an editor of an online fire engineering magazine has his panties in a bunch because they are selling off scrap iron. We've already done an investigation, and we know exactly what happened. Why do we need to do more investigations?

Well, no, that is his whole point - we haven't done an investigation; and the iron and steel and other debris from the WTC started getting shipped out and disposed of immediately, before and without an investigation.

Giuliani sealed off the pit and basically blocked all search and rescue while the dumptrucks were working 24/7.

Fire Engineering is more than just an "online" magazine, btw, it's been around for over 130 years, longer than the NFPA, and is a recognized authority.

MediaGuy · 03-18-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Are you saying that any parts of the planes that hit WTC might actually be found, examined cataloged? And that if any parts were not found, that this somehow feeds your conspiracy theory that planes did not take down the towers?

We won't know if parts of the planes could have been recovered anymore, will we? But why wasn't a foresnsiv investigation conducted? After all, everything was pulverized, against all probability, which definitely begs the question "What brought down the towers?"

For the first time in aviation disaster history, even the black boxes weren't recovered apparently.

The FBI was down there, and two witnesses, at least one of whom was a cop assisting them, saw the black boxes recovered, but the FBI now denies this.

So who knows? How can we know? Short of an investigation, of course...

porno jew · 03-18-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by xholly

I could'nt give a fuck what the US government says, especially what some dumbass republican president says.

The real government conspiracy occured in the years following 911 with the patriot act and the invasion of Iraq. I was involved and giving my support to movements trying to stop this and unlike you I was not 10 years old at the time.

makes you wonder how a bunch of ex-cops, ex-military, ex-cia, ex-fbi, career criminals and cult members appeared out of nowhere with no visible means of support promoting ridiculous theories full time?

Rochard · 03-18-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

I should have been more specific. Apologies. What I meant essentially are the types of things illustrated by your Wikipedia quote: railroad ties, electrical conductors, welding done remotely and in open air conditions, not building construction (and yes I know buildings are "open air" sites at first).

I don't know whether or not they do, but I've never heard of it. Have you or are you just using your "common sense" to assume this kind of welding is done with building construction?

Thermite is very common. It's used in welding. The more I read about it, the more common it's becoming. The WTC complex is a city of fifty thousand people. It's constantly under construction.

They use thermite to for telecommunications and electrical networks. I can only imagine how many hundreds of thousands of miles of wiring they had in the WTC.

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

I wasn't talking about treating the whole set of towers like airplane investigations, just conducting an investigation, period. I'm not sure exactly how fire investigators would have conducted it, but having access to the metal to understand why and how it behaved the way it did would have been a good start.

So now after quoting findings by the NIST, your going to tell us there wasn't an investigation. There was multiple investigations done by multiple agencies. You just refuse to believe anything they tell you.

And I love how your implying they didn't have "access to the metal". They sorted everything, conducted multiple investigations, and then... What do you expect them to do with it? Kept it until the end of time? What they do with airplane scraps after their investigation, do they keep the pieces in warehouses until the end of time?

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

I wasn't talking about building code violation. I was referring to the NFPA fire and explosion investigation code, which is always followed.

What building code violation?

Why do we have to have NFPA investigate? Is the NFPA a government agency? Is it required by law that NFPA investigate? How many more investigations do we need?

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Well, no, that is his whole point - we haven't done an investigation; and the iron and steel and other debris from the WTC started getting shipped out and disposed of immediately, before and without an investigation.

The debris were removed off site and then reviewed and tested. Their investigation was so detailed that they had forensics experts looking for bone fragments.

Rochard · 03-18-2012, 11:46 AM

And here is something else about thermite.... As they were removing the debris from the WTC, they had to remove these huge steel girders.... Just seems to me they would have used thermite on a daily basis to cut those pieces down to size so they could remove them...

2MuchMark · 03-18-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

We won't know if parts of the planes could have been recovered anymore, will we? But why wasn't a foresnsiv investigation conducted? After all, everything was pulverized, against all probability, which definitely begs the question "What brought down the towers?".

So then.

Everything was pulverized. There were few of any plane parts that could be recovered. Therefore, a conspiracy?

And no, dude, it is not against "all probability". What now? Are you saying that the planes should have bounced off?

Rochard · 03-18-2012, 11:55 AM

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For the first time in aviation disaster history, even the black boxes weren't recovered apparently.

Honestly, do you just make this stuff up?

Are you telling me that they always find every black box and they are magically in perfect working order after every plane accident? Really? Because a quick google search tells me other wise.

WarChild · 03-18-2012, 12:28 PM

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Ugh, that's how the black boxes are designed. They find them on the bottom of the oceans, in fires, on the side of mountains, etc 100% of the time EVERY time...except for the 4 planes on 9/11, of course. But that's not a coincidence...its just natural ya know

See you don't even have the basic facts straight. How can anyone take anything you have to say seriously when you don't even have the faintest idea?

Flight 93 - Both black boxes recovered.

Flight 77 - Both black boxes recovered. One of them, the cockpit voice recorder, was too badly damaged to be used. Here's a picture of what was left of the damaged box as used at trial for Moussaoui.

Of further note, this is not the first time that a black box was recovered but unusable. It's happened at least 4 other times.

WarChild · 03-18-2012, 12:46 PM

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So none of the black boxes are working at all? Wow what a coincidence! You sure some of them were found? How come they haven't been released?

You're fucking retarded. 3 of the 4 found were working.

WarChild · 03-18-2012, 12:53 PM

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And what was on them?

Why don't you read the transcript? Here's a link to flight 93's cockpit voice recorder transcript.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/0...transcript.pdf

How can you possibly be taking part in a discussion when your basic understanding of the facts is something you're making up as you go along? Absolutely incredible.

WarChild · 03-18-2012, 12:57 PM

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two of the black boxes were not found, allegedly

All your posted was some transcript anyone can make up/write. WHY do you believe the government? How dumb can one be?

I'm not going to argue with a lunatic.

Rochard · 03-18-2012, 01:11 PM

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For the first time in aviation disaster history, even the black boxes weren't recovered apparently.

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Originally Posted by WarChild

See you don't even have the basic facts straight. How can anyone take anything you have to say seriously when you don't even have the faintest idea?

Flight 93 - Both black boxes recovered.

Flight 77 - Both black boxes recovered. One of them, the cockpit voice recorder, was too badly damaged to be used. Here's a picture of what was left of the damaged box as used at trial for Moussaoui.

Of further note, this is not the first time that a black box was recovered but unusable. It's happened at least 4 other times.

Hmmmmmm....

MediaGuy · 03-18-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Honestly, do you just make this stuff up?

Are you telling me that they always find every black box and they are magically in perfect working order after every plane accident? Really? Because a quick google search tells me other wise.

With the exceptions of a couple high-altitude crashes where debris was inaccessible, and several deep-sea crashes where it was lost, yes - most every airline disaster has had it's black boxes recovered.

MediaGuy · 03-18-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Thermite is very common. It's used in welding. The more I read about it, the more common it's becoming. The WTC complex is a city of fifty thousand people. It's constantly under construction.

They use thermite to for telecommunications and electrical networks. I can only imagine how many hundreds of thousands of miles of wiring they had in the WTC.

I know it's used in some types of welding. But building construction? I don't know. I know they don't use it for wiring up buildings. Maybe the foundation columns of the WTC? You'd have to link me up.

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So now after quoting findings by the NIST, your going to tell us there wasn't an investigation. There was multiple investigations done by multiple agencies. You just refuse to believe anything they tell you.

They don't present "findings", they present surmises. I believe much of what they say, in that way. It's their conclusions that make no sense based on the "probable" conjectures they present. As I said before the NIST report is a hypothesis of what happened in the building/s up to collapse initiation. They omit or ignore much "evidence" and testimony. They didn't report on the what and the why, and if they performed any forensic analysis it was derived from the actual hands-on work FEMA did before them.

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And I love how your implying they didn't have "access to the metal". They sorted everything, conducted multiple investigations, and then... What do you expect them to do with it? Kept it until the end of time? What they do with airplane scraps after their investigation, do they keep the pieces in warehouses until the end of time?

If they had access to the metal, they certainly didn't take advantage of it; they based any forensic work on data collected by FEMA who eventually got their hands on some pretty damaged metal that seemed to have been vaporized by nano-thermite. NIST however didn't comment on that, it doesn't back up their theory.

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What building code violation?

Why do we have to have NFPA investigate? Is the NFPA a government agency? Is it required by law that NFPA investigate? How many more investigations do we need?

You said something to the effect that the buildings didn't collapse due to code violation. I didn't disagree, I just said that the investigation code created by NFPA and used in every other major disaster, fire, whatever, was not followed after these buildings collapsed.

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The debris were removed off site and then reviewed and tested. Their investigation was so detailed that they had forensics experts looking for bone fragments.

Something like 80% of the debris was removed without being reviewed or tagged. FEMA wasn't allowed to enter and investigate. Instead, they had to go over debris dumped at landfills before it was hauled off overseas. They were ultimately able to take 100 or 150 pieces out of hundreds of thousands, that were sold.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

And here is something else about thermite.... As they were removing the debris from the WTC, they had to remove these huge steel girders.... Just seems to me they would have used thermite on a daily basis to cut those pieces down to size so they could remove them...

As I said in another post, there wasn't that much steel to cut in the pit because it had already been snapped, bent and broken. I haven't heard of any thermite used to cut steel in the debris. Even then, the fine iron spheres and thermite (and especially thermate) wouldn't have ended up in the dust that coated offices and apartments dozens of blocks away, weeks before.

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So then.

Everything was pulverized. There were few of any plane parts that could be recovered. Therefore, a conspiracy?

You aren't reading or you're following a faulty line of logic. Everything was pulverized. Since steel was removed as though it were trash, it would be difficult to gauge what plane parts could be recovered, and if there were it seems they would have been tiny. Therefore, a very unnatural, non-organic "collapse".

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And no, dude, it is not against "all probability". What now? Are you saying that the planes should have bounced off?

The pulverization is against all probability in one collapse, much more so in three different collapses.
Collapse itself is against all probability. Sudden onset and symmetrical collapse, not once but in three different instances, is even less likely.
Molten steel is impossible in any office fire; jet fuel cannot melt steel.

Why is it so hard to believe they were demolished, especially when the theory put forward by the government is devoid of evidentiary support, and so much testimony and evidence to any alternative or just another investigative path is just dismissed?

Isn't that in itself suspect?

Rochard · 03-18-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

With the exceptions of a couple high-altitude crashes where debris was inaccessible, and several deep-sea crashes where it was lost, yes - most every airline disaster has had it's black boxes recovered.

You said...

"For the first time in aviation disaster history, even the black boxes weren't recovered apparently." And that is incorrect.

And this is typical of the so called "truth movement". You make a statement that is not really true and then expand on it. "It's impossible to find Barium" (except for in light bulbs) and "It's impossible to find thermite" (which is used in communications gear), and then you say there was no investigation - even though I have a paperback book downstairs that says otherwise.

Everything the truth movement comes up with can be explained away....

Squibs - compressed air taking the path of least resistance
Explosions - well, there were explosions all over the place that day
WTC - ten hour fire
Molten steel - was it really steel? Or was it aluminum - Or tin foil.

It's just comical to me that all of these things can easily be explained.

2MuchMark · 03-18-2012, 06:02 PM

lol! Stop... just ... stop.

MediaGuy · 03-18-2012, 07:22 PM

I don't have your gift for nit-picking...

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You said...

"For the first time in aviation disaster history, even the black boxes weren't recovered apparently." And that is incorrect.

For the first time in aviation disaster history, the black boxes of a land-based crash that wasn't located at inaccessible elevation weren't recovered.

Is that better?

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And this is typical of the so called "truth movement". You make a statement that is not really true and then expand on it.

Typical of argumentative and ad hominem refusals to consider anything but the "common sense" popular theory, you pick on details and overlook significant statements.

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"It's impossible to find Barium" (except for in light bulbs)

I've corrected that quickly-written statement to its actual intent, which was that Barium and other elements of its type were in higher quantities than they should have been.

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and "It's impossible to find thermite" (which is used in communications gear)

Thermite isn't used in communications gear. It isn't used in building renovations either. It's used in exterior open-field conditions such as laying down rail road ties and connecting high-tension electrical cables.

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and then you say there was no investigation - even though I have a paperback book downstairs that says otherwise.

Sigh... what, the 9/11 Commission Report? Do you also at least have a companion "Omission Report", to cover everything that one left out?

And if you qualify the building performance report, the FEMA report and NIST report as "investigations" then fine, however loosely you want to use that word.

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Everything the truth movement comes up with can be explained away....

I'm sure, like the government theory, much of what they claim can also be replied to or justified otherwise.

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Squibs - compressed air taking the path of least resistance

Right through concrete and steel... least resistance?

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Explosions - well, there were explosions all over the place that day

Actually, the official story says there wasn't explosions all over the place that day. Just plane crashes. The diesel in the buildings didn't even go off.

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WTC - ten hour fire

Actually, it was intermittent fires that roved from fuel source to fuel source throughout the day; nothing that would fell a building; even your trusted authorities say it wasn't enough to bring it down. The length of time it burned is secondary, according to the NIST theory, to the combination of damage and that one particular fire that "thermally expanded" a horizontal support beam. It could have burned for as little as the thousand-foot towers and still would have gone down, according to their description.

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Molten steel - was it really steel? Or was it aluminum - Or tin foil.

Molten aluminum is silvery-white, this was orange, and burned or remained molten for up to six weeks. Yours is a legitimate question, but analysis answers it for you.

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It's just comical to me that all of these things can easily be explained.

It seems more that they're dismissed by uncorroborated nit-picking and lack of consideration.

2MuchMark · 03-18-2012, 09:33 PM

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I don't have your gift for nit-picking...

For the first time in aviation disaster history, the black boxes of a land-based crash that wasn't located at inaccessible elevation weren't recovered.

But Greg, But Greg, but Greg. This is where you always screw up. Even if this was the first time in history that a black box wasn't recovered, it is not automatic proof that there is a cover up.

You do this all the time. You say that buildings never fell like that before, THEREFORE XYZ must be TRUE.

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Typical of argumentative and ad hominem refusals to consider anything but the "common sense" popular theory, you pick on details and overlook significant statements.

No Greg you've got that wrong. Actually, it;s conspiracy theorists that overlook scientific fact in their zealous attempts to simultaneously deny reality and spin some kind of fantasy world where they are clued in to what?s really going on. I think you automatically push anything out that doesn't agree with your pre existing determination of 9/11 invents.

mayabong · 03-18-2012, 11:15 PM

I'd love to know how Jet fuel made pockets of heat that were 2000 degrees under the rubble for 6 weeks after the crash.

Even Gouliani testified to this.

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