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Originally Posted by Rochard
Listen very carefully to what your saying here.
"Large, industrial steel, and electrical conduits".
The entire complex including the the towers were built on large, industrial steel. Fifty thousand people worked in this building, it has it's own zip code, and a massive amount of electrical and telecommunications conduits. It has it's own it's diesel power plants.
At what point in time are you going to understand that finding these chemicals are not uncommon in a complex of this size.
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I should have been more specific. Apologies. What I meant essentially are the types of things illustrated by your Wikipedia quote: railroad ties, electrical conductors, welding done remotely and in open air conditions, not building construction (and yes I know buildings are "open air" sites at first).
I don't know whether or not they do, but I've never heard of it. Have you or are you just using your "common sense" to assume this kind of welding is done with building construction?
Finding thermite is pretty uncommon, I would guess, or it wouldn't get anyone's panties in a bunch, and finding military patented thermate is probably impossible, especially unignited stuff.
However as I've repeated it wasn't the presence of but the high levels of the materials that was telling.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
Yes, they do, and they fit neatly in to large warehouses. There isn't a warehouse that could fit 1.2 million tons.
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I wasn't talking about treating the whole set of towers like airplane investigations, just conducting an investigation, period. I'm not sure exactly how fire investigators would have conducted it, but having access to the metal to understand why and how it behaved the way it did would have been a good start.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
Didn't they? Seems we know all about every last ounce of chemical that has come out of the debris, from barium to thermiate to iron rich micro spheres.
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These materials were found in WTC dust layering apartments and offices blocks and blocks away from the site. Hardly any of the metal was preserved or catalogued.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
The buildings came down not because of some code violation, but because large airplanes crashed into them.
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I wasn't talking about building code violation. I was referring to the NFPA fire and explosion investigation code, which is always followed.
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Originally Posted by Rochard
Blah blah blah. So an editor of an online fire engineering magazine has his panties in a bunch because they are selling off scrap iron. We've already done an investigation, and we know exactly what happened. Why do we need to do more investigations?
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Well, no, that is his whole point - we haven't done an investigation; and the iron and steel and other debris from the WTC started getting shipped out and disposed of immediately, before and without an investigation.
Giuliani sealed off the pit and basically blocked all search and rescue while the dumptrucks were working 24/7.
Fire Engineering is more than just an "online" magazine, btw, it's been around for over 130 years, longer than the NFPA, and is a recognized authority.