Blingbaby

Really? You think you have even a half rat's ass chance of getting anything from this??

Blingbaby

Looks like a good time to figure it out no? Or is adult industry exempt from progress?

crazytrini85

Did you miss what they were doing with Hurt Locker?

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Blingbaby

It won't. If Hollywood can't do it why do you think Steve could? People are fucking serious about this? I'm hearing revenue projections out of this, you are all deep dreaming in a collapsing nightmare. There was a good thought in this thread: deliver superior content and protect it and you'll be ok..

Blingbaby

Did you miss that any of that had any effect on piracy whatsoever?

SteveLightspeed

We won't defeat piracy. But if someone buys my site's content, the easy way or the hard way, I'm happy.

Its hard to understand why anyone in our industry is supporting piracy and outright theft. My guess is you don't own any content yourself.

Steve Lightspeed

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Blingbaby

My only point is that I find your approach ineffective. There are any number of content providers, adult or mainstream that find ways within the pirate community that actually seem likely to increase sales - it just requires a little creativity; fighting piracy head on didn't work 200 years ago, it's even less likely to work now..

ottopottomouse

Congrats to the lawyers.

If you manage to make something $$$ wise out of it well done but don't expect to have much of an impact on piracy - too many people now don't see sharing something as theft.

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crazytrini85

Your simple mind doesn't see the large picture.

Nevermind. Go back to doing whatever it is you do. Leave the important stuff to people who take action.

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cambaby

He isnt fighting piracy he is trying to squeeze money out of people since he know they wont buy his content. He isnt planning on actually winning any cases just getting settlements. This is not uncommon in the business world as a matter of fact there are many businesses that exist specifically to do this.

Piracy will continue, sales will diminish if there is no more technological innovation from adult content producers. The days of take pix of a random whore and posting it on the internet for people to see at 29.95 a month are over and they all know it.

Smart move by Steve, he cant possibly fight the big tubes theres no way.

crazytrini85

Not yet. But that day will come.

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scottybuzz

Word on surfer boards may spread like wildfire that actually paysites are not just sitting back, may deter some of them into buying. successful or not successful that alone could be worth it.
got to look on the positive side of things here.
Best of luck

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cambaby

By that time they will have flipped their model.

Mark my words you will be paying the big tubes to get your content listed for premium exposure.

JenC

That won't even cause a dent in the amount of free porn out there. Why aren't you going after Porn Hub? Are they any better than a torrent site?

Rochard

Clearly you haven't been paying attention. Hollywood is doing exactly this.

The music industry is taking people who downloaded music illegally to court and winning thousands of dollars per case. They don't even take them to court; They just send them a huge itemized bill saying "this is the music you illegally downloaded, this is the website you downloaded it from, and this is day you downloaded it".

The makers of the Hurt Locker are doing the same.

People on the Internet seem to think that they can do whatever they want. The average surfer doesn't understand that every single thing you do on the Internet is tracked a dozen different ways.

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crazytrini85

When they all have legal content, then there is no problem. If they are legit and simply a traffic source, then that is what they will be. I don't have an issue with "tubes" for the sake of them being tubes. It's the illegal use of everyones videos that I have a problem with.

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Dirty Dane

It's easier to get to pirates at torrents. Just log their IP, get them from ISP, sue them. P2P users are not protected by DCMA. With tubes you'll need help from law enforcements, if you want to log it live.

CarlosTheGaucho

I'll message you

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scottybuzz

why do anything in life? why not just sit back and let a giant dildo smash you in the ass?

seriously people, some of the comments in this thread. Users on this board have been moaning for years for programs to do something about the current state of free content, for the big boys to act. Now they are and now people complain.

come on think positive.

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ottopottomouse

Me or my avatar?

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gideongallery

you do realize the dcma safe harbor provision was balance to the take down notice rights granted.

dcma doesn't protect anyone, it just enforces a balance for a protection that already exist called fair use

that protection exists for torrenters already

in fact given what steve said about this being contingency based, i will make another prediction

this is going to result in establishment that seeding is fair use (given that fact that you never give away a single working copy, and create #pieces -1 redundant backups before a single working copy is produced)

doing a half assed jobs with these court cases is part of the reason the guys actually having good cases have to jump thru so many hoops before they can get to a judgement.

prediction you guys will be "thanking" steve for making it way harder, to get the pirates.

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SteveLightspeed

I called it. GideonIdiot has spoken.

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CaptainHowdy

Fight the good fight ...

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Dirty Dane

Tell that to the student who have to pay thousands of dollars for those MP3s.

dyna mo

it's more interestinger already!

Robbie

Steve isn't the first to do this...and not the last either. Hustler is already raking in the cash as is a certain big gay producer. As usual, you are wrong gideon.

I'm getting 60% off of settlements now. As Steve put it...if they want MY content, they can pay like everyone else, or do it the hard way. Either way I'm getting paid now, and everyone else is taking the same legal steps. And yes, we are nailing them on actual copyright infringement. I just hope YOU upload one of my vids gideon. I'd love to come after you.

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dyna mo

wait, i sure hope the word *interestinger* is not considered lightspeed content.

take down take down!

V_RocKs

This is why I love Steve. There are a lot of detractors and I have received a lot of shit for backing the guy in the past, but who does the dirty work that needs to get done? Who spends the money to get that work done? Steve!

On a less serious note...

Now I just gotta make sure I set those torrents to stop!

Back to serious...

I love the tranny stuff. No, not the videos - never were my thing. I am talking about the customers that will now be sued in court for distributing tranny content in an illegal fashion. Their families will now know about dad's sick obsession... about juniors Freudian desire to fuck his mommy... AND his daddy!

This brings me back to some hacking stuff I did about ten years ago... really surprised me just how many German's and Frenchmen enjoy trannies and farm sex... Those people really like their farm sex!

DamianJ

Actually the RIAA STOPPED attempting to sue the individuals they claim were sharing files, back in 2008 because it was costing too much time and generating a huge loss for them.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/19/r...r-music-pirac/

To be clear, this is NOT me being pro-piracy. Only an idiot would be pro-piracy. This is just me stating a fact.

Robbie

Fortunately it's not that way at all for us. Since porn is still "bad", it's been very, very easy to get this done. Folks don't want to be "outed" for their porn habits. When they get these letters from our attorneys they pay up quick.

And it doesn't cost me a dime and there is no "loss". Only profit. We are doing a 60/40 split with the attorneys. I get 60. We set the settlement fee at exactly the price point that it will cost the person more to fight than to settle.

This ain't that hard and it's making me back the money I've lost over the last couple of years. And it's going to start happening a lot.

When you get that letter from my attorney you'll have the choice of getting your own attorney and facing us in court...which is more expensive than paying the settlement. And if you fight it, it's not only gonna cost you more money...but it's going to give you the nice extra bonus of your wife, kids, neighbors, co-workers, etc. finding out ALL about your dirty little porn habits that you want to keep private.

Watch as everyone gets on board with this. If you are a content producer, you need to be doing this too. It's so simple and so effective it's ridiculous. And you are not out of pocket one thin dime. It's all profit.

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selena

Robbie has an excellent point in that downloading porn is something that most people won't want broadcast. Even though on the surface porn seems to be more accepted in the mainstream world in the past, to a huge portion of America, it is still for perverts. And there is a world of difference in being outted for illegally obtaining the new Katy Perry tune and being outted for d/l'ing a copy of "Barely Legal Schoolgirl in Midget Tranny Bukake Paradise".

It's hush money, and I LOVE it.

You guys are right, torrents will still be there. But it will go back more toward the way it was, when those sites are deeper underground and were more within the realm of a "sophisticated" internet user. As it is now, it seems as if every grandma in America knows how to get stuff off of Vuze.

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dyna mo

robbie, how many settlements have you gotten paid so far v. how many cases has your attorney filed?

davecummings

You've always been a top leader and contributor to the Adult Internet, and support for you an "automatic". Thanks!

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Robbie

Every last one. And it doesn't cost anything The lawyer is working for his 40%
Win/win
And about damn time after the last few years of everybody getting raped.

This shit has cost a lot of people their very livelihoods. Enough is enough.

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dyna mo

that's impressive.

CaptainHowdy

It's not an "oedipal" thing, it has to do more with the infantile male fantasy that girls have penises (and later we discover in horror that they don't have it!).

In the beggining of times, Adam fucked goats...

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gideongallery

so your basically admitting it an extortion scheme/blackmail scheme

of pay us or will violate your privacy rights.



How exactly did you make sure that no one who was simply recovering content they paid for wasn't "accidently" blackmailed.


if you did nothing i wonder given the counter liablity of the dmca it worth letting yourself get caught just to counter suit.

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chronig

What do you make off a settlement? You're suing downloaders for downloading your content, right?

amateurbfs

if more people seen the inside of private tracker sites they would shit themselves.

Dirty Dane

Privacy is no longer a "right" if you commit a crime. You have choice not to commit it and a choice to settle if you do it.

dyna mo

i hope your fancy copyright lawyers did not come up with this gem of perspective.

Alky

aren't the hurt locker lawyers having trouble from a lot of isp's getting customers information?

robbie, it's impressive that your lawyer is able to yield better results then lawyers the movie industry hired.

woj

Did you actually take anyone to court yet? or was it 100% settlements so far?
It seems the cases are not as open and shut as everyone make it sound like, especially when you come across someone who has the means to defend themselves...

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Tickler

I'm am hoping that there are lots of 512(h) subpoenas coming also.

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Robbie

The key is keeping the settlement low enough that it is just under the price it would cost to lawyer up. And even if they do that and go to court they are going to lose. It's so easy to get your legal ducks in a row. And that's what we did. 2 very big producers (Hustler and a big gay company) led the way and we followed suit.

It's recovering money. Plain and simple. All the theorizing in the world doesn't mean anything. Smart people do the things that work. This works. And it is most definitely going to put a dent in the millions of people who join sites just to rip them and re-upload them.

And the funny part is...they are basically turning themselves in. Sites like pornbb are now a cash cow full of people incriminating themselves.

As they like you to do when a thief posts up a stolen scene for everyone else on those surfer forums....I'd just like to say "thanks" for identifying yourselves. It's like picking low hanging fruit.

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JimmyStephans

I have to chime in here and talk a bit about the money involved.

In 2009 I spent around $25,000.00 to take down the pirate site known as WorldPlagiates.com / WP-Board.com

You can read my long ass blog about it here:

http://wp-board.com/

Just like some people are saying in this thread -- I was told it was a money losing deal and a waste of time.

Wrong -- it was a hugely successful investment!

In the first 9 months after the board shut down and I got all the records and logs I settled with the traders for $147,500.00 in various cases ranging from as little as $250.00 to as high as $25,000.00.

This -- my friends -- was done with total legal bills of about $1000.00. Correct, almost no lawyer involvement at all, except the drafting of a settlement agreement template, and him taking a call or two from media types.

That in and of itself makes it profitable to go after people if you have a way to absolutely prove what they did.

It would surprise you who some of the assholes are stealing stuff and / or posting to boards. In the WP settlements we had a lawyer from Orlando, a real estate investor from Boston, and many others. Three of the guys took just 1-3 days to pay me $25,000.00 each... they clearly had the money to join hundreds of sites, but selected to steal and be sort of covert.

But, thats not the end of the profit story...

My main website slowly started increasing the average number of subscribers over the next few months (June 2009 to October 2009). In October 2009 it set its all time record for the total number of paid subscribers at one time. It did that in the "bad economy" that has seen many programs shut down, or people leave the business.

The only reason my 8 year old site would be growing at that time would be because they wanted the style of content I have and couldn't get it for free on the WP board. There is no other reason my site grew in that time period.

My September and October 2009 daily subscriber average was about 550 above what it had been for many, many months prior to taking down WP. That means a bit over $16,000.00 each of those two months / about $33,000.00 total that I attribute to taking down the WP boards.

But the story doesn't end there.... I don't only sell memberships. I also offer DVDs, and sales for them went up a bunch in that same time frame.

Plus -- as all businessmen that use "long term thinking" would know -- its not just getting them to pay once that counts, its getting them to pay month after month after month.

My average daily subscribers is up around 250 for each of the last 14 months (since taking down WP) when compared to the 14 months prior to that. This means of course -- once they couldn't get content for free, they paid and many of them (the new customers / former WP downloaders) decided to stay.

The WP cases are not done. I've waited months for a certain lawyer to get his act in gear after major medical issues and it hasn't happened. Just last week we changed lawyers and expect to file suits in October against the last 12 guys that have money, but selected not to settle. More income for me!

There is one HUGE difference between going after a music trader like the RIIA did, and going after a person trading pretty girl images or videos, gay images or videos, TS videos or images, etc. Nude, Non-Nude, Hardcore or super Softcore... Doesn't matter.

It is much harder for the defendant to explain to his wife, children, co-workers and others that he was trading these materials.

Telling the wife that he just downloaded a song or two might be OK.

Telling the wife he illegally downloaded GBs of photos and videos of Jordan Capri is an entirely different story.

I had one guy call me within 2 days of posting his name online and FedEx me a cashier's check for $25,000.00 just to get his name off the WP blog before his family found out.

The embarrassment factor puts Steve and his legal team in a strong position. I read the entire suit and various affidavits and such and they are in a great position to make this a winning / profitable venture!


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V_RocKs

Why isn't this guy banned yet?

Umm.. yeah... so if someone goes to a CP site with a privacy policy then nobody can know the guy got busted for CP because he has a right to privacy?

ottopottomouse

I can understand the paying to keep it quiet part of your post but really can't get my head around pirates suddenly joining a site instead of just moving on to the next pirate forum and picking something else that's free?

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