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Old 09-03-2010, 01:59 PM   #1051
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Call St. Kitts Nevis Anguilla National Bank yourself. You will be interested in hearing what they say about all of this. It doesn't jive with what Epass is saying.

Tel: (869) 465-2204 Mon - Thurs: 8 a.m. - 2 p.m. Fri: 8 a.m. - 4 p.m.
Fax: (869) 465-1050
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what do they say?
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:00 PM   #1052
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Wow. Glad I never get paid there.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:00 PM   #1053
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As of July 1st... ePassporte changed their deposit bank for loading
ePassporte accounts.
It used to be Fortis Bank (Curacao) NV and they changed it to United
International Bank NV
- Both Banks are from St.Kitts but are not the St.Kitts Nevis Anguilla
National Bank.
- Mr. Antonio Torres is Managing Director at United International Bank NV.
- United International Bank N.V.
Curaçao, Netherlands Antillen
Tel: 599-9-733-1881
Fax: 599-9-767-0057

As of September 1st... In an effort to comply with Visa's new ATM limit
requirements, ePassporte limited ATM withdrawls to $1020.00 per day.
- Damage control that seemed to be too late

As of 12:00 pm PDT September 2nd... Visa suspended ePassportes banking
partner's
(St.Kitts Nevis Anguilla National Bank) *ePassporte Visa program*.
At this time ePassporte can no longer issue Visa cards and all existing
cards are suspended...No charges or ATM withdrawls.
- It seems to say ePassportes Visa program was suspended and not exactly the
banks Visa connection??? But that bank is not looking good eitherway.

At 10:48 am PDT September 3rd, ePassporte sent out email to inform account
holders of this issue.
- 23 hours and 12 minutes after the suspension was imposed.

At 1:24 pm European time September 3rd... I did a wire from a Wallet account
back to my original Loading bank account and have not gotten any response
from ePassporte at all...it is now 10:30 pm European time

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Old 09-03-2010, 02:04 PM   #1054
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Also found this although I have no clue whether or not it is relevant:

"BASSETERRE, St. Kitts ? LEGAL action has been brought against the Eastern Caribbean Central Bank (ECCB), five regional banks and the government of Antigua and Barbuda by a group of Stanford investors who claim they lost big after the ?unlawful seizure? of the Bank of Antigua.

The Stanford Victims Coalition filed a class-action lawsuit in the US District Court in Dallas, Texas against the Caribbean financial institutions, complaining that the ECCB?s intervention in the Bank of Antigua was unlawful because the bank was of significant value to the victims.

Regional banks include the Antigua Commercial Bank, the St Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank, Eastern Caribbean Financial Holdings (Bank of St Lucia), the National Commercial Bank (St Vincent and the Grenadines) and the National Bank of Dominica ? institutions that joined together to run the affairs of the Bank of Antigua after its Chairman Allen Stanford had been charged with fraud by the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) on February 17, 2009."

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Old 09-03-2010, 02:16 PM   #1055
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Because for some people, like myself, money goes in and out in large amounts so fast on a daily basis that the wallet is completely useless to us.
it can be done all from wallet unless you mean out through an ATM
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:25 PM   #1056
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Call St. Kitts Nevis Anguilla National Bank yourself. You will be interested in hearing what they say about all of this. It doesn't jive with what Epass is saying.

Tel: (869) 465-2204 Mon - Thurs: 8 a.m. - 2 p.m. Fri: 8 a.m. - 4 p.m.
Fax: (869) 465-1050
Email: [email protected]
Someone is lying.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:25 PM   #1057
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Call St. Kitts Nevis Anguilla National Bank yourself. You will be interested in hearing what they say about all of this. It doesn't jive with what Epass is saying.

Tel: (869) 465-2204 Mon - Thurs: 8 a.m. - 2 p.m. Fri: 8 a.m. - 4 p.m.
Fax: (869) 465-1050
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Mr Cool Ice, i tried calling them and couldnt get an answer. What did they tell you?
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:27 PM   #1058
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Mr Cool Ice, i tried calling them and couldnt get an answer. What did they tell you?
Most of the time the phone number was either busy or unavailable. I was able to get thru them after the business hours and all I was getting was the automatic phone system... I'd really love to hear what they have to say...
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:31 PM   #1059
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i tried calling them even though i was only looking to be able to post some new info (i don't have an epass account, never would of ever considered getting one). couldn't get through.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:32 PM   #1060
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I bet all the virtual visa's were acutuall pre paid cards 'so to speak"

not good.. visa cancelled all the "pre paid cards" they are in file 13 now and no one knows how much to who what and when...

this will not end up good at all that sucks.. I feel for everyone involved..
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:32 PM   #1061
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in threads like this, you can see that webmasters still visit this forum, but they lurk around and don't post anymore...

in threads like this you can see who are lurkers and who are not.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:34 PM   #1062
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Fucking hell...

This not only is a problem on itself but on the future (snowball effect due to the fucking damage it creates each day that passes by)

I really want to believe things will get somehow sorted, but at this moment and looking back at the past of the Adult Online Industry, even having a limited withdrawing cap (like happened with banks that went bust but...were insured) seems highly unlikely or ridiculous..

This can fuck up (more in the terms of future than what we got in our accounts yadda yadda) a lot of people and sadly I fit (at least in part) in that group..

Great times...great timing...fucking hell...

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Old 09-03-2010, 02:34 PM   #1063
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When you are doing regular transactions in and out in amounts of $2,000, $5,000, $10,000 and even one nice once this year for $20,000 it is pretty difficult to NOT keep money in your virtual account.. And while my transactions average between $1k to 10k, there are a shitload of people out there that do 5x that with epass on a regular basis. Jesus who cares about $300?? LMFAO! Not to mention that there are many people from outside the USA that really have no other option.
wow, you must be a multi-millionaire dude... what's your monthly profit?

100K? 1 millon?

I'm not impressed at all, dude.. you are just like any other webmaster, a regular guy, nothing big..

even though you are trying to impress someone.. you have no effect over most people here.. so don't bother, dude.

and it looks like this epass thing, affected you BIG TIME, you look so nervous ;) and this is going to last long... very long (if ever get resolved)... So sit your ass down and start waiting ;)

Bye bye.

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Old 09-03-2010, 02:35 PM   #1064
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"ePassporte also highly recommends that you keep the majority of your funds on your ePassporte Wallet instead of your Visa Virtual Account. . . . .



So I left all mine in virtual visa
In retrospect, do you think you should follow the advice of the person in the know?

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No, I would not.
You do not know what you would do. I completely understand why he did it since 99% of the people here can not comprehend the written word or are too lazy to actually read the thread. This thread would be 5 pages if people did not keep asking the same question over and over again.

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In Epass there is a withdraw to your personal debit card, not credit card. I don't know if there is a difference between a personal debit vs cc. Anyone?
What country do you live in? There is a huge difference in the US. I can only presume you live somewhere that does not have debit cards if you are unaware of the difference.

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Why don't we get any updates? There must be some new info for us now.
Why would you think that? I would not expect any updates until next week at the earliest.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:39 PM   #1065
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what do they say?
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:40 PM   #1066
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About 80% of families in the world. Not that any of those people are important to people like you.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:41 PM   #1067
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Epassporte Visa money=St. Kitts Nevis Anguilla National Bank (I guess just a part of it).
Epassporte Wallet Money=Can't tell for sure, but their funds should be kept in some Netherland Antilles bank or even some US related bank, which is quiet logical.
Is it? So everytime you moved money from your wallet to the virtual visa and vice versa an actual bank transfer was initiated and money was transfered from one bank to another?
I would not be so sure about that.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:42 PM   #1068
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We need someone to do the hitler video al'a epassporte.

"Vhat do you meeen vee cannot witdrawl unless wallet!"
That would be great, I'm allready laughing by the idea
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:43 PM   #1069
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I sent Visa an email basically saying WTF. I am surprised to report that they responded in less than 24 hours. As you can all expect the answer is completely useless but at least they responded... I guess!

"Thank you for contacting Visa. We value your business and regret that we cannot directly help you with this situation. Visa does not set up, service, or have access to cardholder or merchant accounts. This is done through our client financial institutions (the banks). Each financial institution has its own criteria for issuing Visa cards, interest rates and credit lines.

Please contact the financial institution that issued your Visa product using the address or telephone number on your account statement. This number may also appear on your card. The financial institution can directly address your inquiry.

Thank you for writing,
Visa Webmaster"
Someone on other forum...
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:43 PM   #1070
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Starting bid is 500$ USD,
what do you win? My epass acount with money in the account.. How much? Winning bidder will get to see and take the monies!

Seriously tho WTF... Ive been reading last few pages and people saying bank dropped epass, visa droped bank, who can be trusted?
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:45 PM   #1071
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That would be great, I'm allready laughing by the idea
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:46 PM   #1072
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I guess it really comes down to where you are located. In the US checks don't cost a thing to deposit and its real easy to do. Chase bank even has an iphone app now that allows you to take a picture of your check and it deposits the funds into your account, so you don't even need to go to the bank to make the deposit. I love checks here in the US.
The US have been a paper-based country for the longest time.
Here in Europe, checks have become more of an inconvenience for the banks and also the customers. Everything is paper-less. Checks have therefore become more expensive.
You'll get there eventually...
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:48 PM   #1073
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what do you win? My epass acount with money in the account.. How much? Winning bidder will get to see and take the monies!

Seriously tho WTF... Ive been reading last few pages and people saying bank dropped epass, visa droped bank, who can be trusted?
No one knows. Until there are some kind of official communication from non ePassporte parties. What reps are saying on the phones at this time doesn't mean shit.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:57 PM   #1074
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wow, you must be a multi-millionaire dude... what's your monthly profit?

100K? 1 millon?

I'm not impressed at all, dude.. you are just like any other webmaster, a regular guy, nothing big..

even though you are trying to impress someone.. you have no effect over most people here.. so don't bother, dude.

and it looks like this epass thing, affected you BIG TIME, you look so nervous ;) and this is going to last long... very long (if ever get resolved)... So sit your ass down and start waiting ;)

Bye bye.
I wasn't trying to impress anyone...

You think those numbers are impressive??? WTF??? that is NOT PROFIT!!

Do you not even posses the simplest business knowledge??

I have 2 employees and over 1000 domains/sites spread across a number of dedicated servers... what do you fucking think pays for all that? Use your fucking head dude before you go spitting out shit you obviously know nothing about.. If I take in 2k, 5k, etc most of it goes out for domain renewals hosting, employees.. and if I do things right there is something left over for me.

Not that it is any of your business but I make on average between100k-120k a year after expenses.. (which is nothing at all to brag about, especially when that is my wife and myself making it.. which puts us a 50k-60k each). Still think I am bragging? because that is certainly nothing to brag about.

And while the immediate effects are not an issue with me right now, it is tomorrow I worry about... due to attempting to find a replacement source for payments.

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LOL.. I did not mean it to sound that way, I realize the value of $300.. I meant it in the grand scheme of things when he was calling those of us idiots who would ever have more than $300 in epass at a time. There are legitimate reasons for having large sums of money in epassporte in order to conduct daily business...

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Old 09-03-2010, 03:06 PM   #1075
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:11 PM   #1076
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lol what do u expect him to say?? sure they got one hours notice
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:13 PM   #1077
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:19 PM   #1078
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I didn't get paid at all. 6 hours late.

I really rationed a few loaves of bread LAST week, was hanging out for this pay.

$2.40 in 5 cent pieces and cup of rice is all I have! Black coffee tomorrow.

I had to sell AffiliateProgram.Biz for $20 which should come in Tuesday.

But I live in a holiday apartment, I can't bludge a weeks rent, sleeping in the car without even any petrol this week.

I did score CamAffiliate.com but very bad timing for me.
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:20 PM   #1079
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Bad shit, but the problems may be resolved next week, feel sorry for the people who had all in epass, but people if they can, need to not put all eggs in one basket, just incase things like this happen, like 365 billing too. I hope things get resolved real quick.......
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I am pretty sure they can find a solution to this problem. The only concern I have is the money's availability! If it's available outside of VISA program, then we should be safe and we should get our money on one way or another.

If the money is totally blocked/frozen in the bank, then the hopes go down...

I can be patient and wait, just let it be good news after all...
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SANTA MONICA, Calif.?In response to a call from AVN seeking further clarification on the sudden suspension by Visa of the ability by ePassport?s West Indies-based bank?St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank Ltd.?to process Visa transactions, ePassporte?s business account manager called to comment on the situation.

?The problem,? he said, ?is not our bank. Our bank is perfectly fine. Everybody?s money is safe. The issue is literally with Visa. Visa functionality is the only thing that?s down, which means eCards and vCards. We are working to resolve the issue and we will have a resolution by next week, but at this point in time we don?t have any more information and we will contact everyone as soon as we do have any update at all.?

When asked about the increasing concern among some ePassporte clients that their money might remain inaccessible for some time to come, leading them to seek alternative means of delivery, he said, ?I think the most important thing right now is for people to be patient until we have a solution. I wouldn?t move any [funds] at this point, because by the time you would receive a wire we?ll either have Visa functionality back up or we will have found another solution.

?The problem,? he added, ?is that yesterday we were given about an hour?s notice of the situation, so there really wasn?t enough time for us to prepare any sort of documented statements other than the message that came from our CEO and owner, Christopher Mallick.

?There?s nothing to worry about," he stressed. "It?s an issue with Visa, not with our bank. All of our functions outside of Visa are working perfectly. If people?s funds are in their wallets, they can feel free to contact customer service and do a wire disbursement, but if they can wait, that would be my recommendation. I wouldn?t make any hasty decisions. But we?re not going anywhere; there?s nothing wrong with the business. This was an unforeseen issue, and we?re not exactly sure where it came from on Visa?s side.?

Before hanging up, he once again expressed his hope that calm would prevail over the long holiday weekend, after which the company expects that the situation will be quickly resolved.

?There really is nothing to be panicked about,? he said. ?We just have to be patient and see what the solution is. All I can say is that if we had been given more notice, we obviously would have been better prepared and would have contacted all of our clients beforehand.?

In the meantime we have learned that several affiliate programs have sent letters to their affiliates notifying them that they are temporarily suspending the use of ePassporte until the Visa issues are resolved, and recommending that people log in to their accounts and change their payment options to either checks or wire transfers.
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I think only statement from Chris Malick itself here can do damage control.
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You do not know what you would do. I completely understand why he did it since 99% of the people here can not comprehend the written word or are too lazy to actually read the thread. This thread would be 5 pages if people did not keep asking the same question over and over again.
I know you are older than dirt and believe you know everything but I think I would know what I would do in a certain position far better than you would know what I would do. Until you know me, know my life and know my past and the kind of person I am I suggest you stick to doing what you do best. Which would be nothing more than posing with any chick that will allow themselves to be photographed with you.

I guess right about now you are saying......"you don't know me, I do a lot more than pose for pictures" ......and any minute now the light bulb that is your brain should flicker on and go ... "duh, guess that was her point"
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These are the fees that are disclosed on your page:

Visa Physical/Plastic Card Account Fees
Visa Physical/Plastic Card Account Creation Fee: US$35.00
Visa Physical/Plastic Card Account Annual Renewal Fee : US$35.00
(Applied once every year after the account creation date)
ATM WIthdrawal Via Physical/Plastic Card: US$3.00

So as far as recurring fees, it lists one fee, the $35 / year renewal.

Instead, this is what you actually charge:


> > 03 May 2009 Electron Card Annual Fee $-35.00 $0.00
> >
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> > 01 Feb 2010 Electron Card Renewal raymor $-35.00 $0.00
> >
> > 01 Feb 2010 Electron Card Renewal raymor $-35.00 $0.00
> >
> > 12 Jan 2010 Electron Card Annual Fee $-35.00 $0.00

That's four fees for two cards, twice what's listed on your
"fees" page. Most of my messages sent via the support center were
pretty much ignored, people saying "we'll get back to you". On the
phone, Sunil eventually clearly admitted that ePassporte is charging
"undisclosed fees", but he refused to refund those fees. I may still
have the recording of that conversation (and admission) archived somewhere.
I advised Sunil that I had spoken to Patricia Reid-Waugh, Commissioner,
St. Kitts-Nevis Financial Services Commission, and she said she would
look into it. It appears that she or Visa has in fact looked into it
and found that, as ePassporte has admitted, they have been stealing
their customers' money. I told you guys the choice was simple - refund
the bogues "fee", or lose your processing. Seemed like an easy decision
to me.
Email me your UserID and I will be able to tell you exactly what happened but I will tell you what most likely happened is that you did not order the 2 cards at the same times as when you ordered the virtual card.
The Electron card expiration date follows the virtual card and you pay the Renewal fee when your virtual card renews. You pay the Annual fee every 2 years from when you ordered the Electron card.

For example:
I order Virtual card on September 1st 2010
I order Electron on Feb 1st 2011

I then pay:
Sept. 2012 Renewal
Feb 2013 Annual
Sept 2014 Renewal
Feb 2015 Annual

Its out of sync but over a 4 year period for example you only pay 1 fee a year.

For example I pay both my fees in December every 2nd year My card expires 12/11 and I pay both the annual and renewal fee in Dec last year and will not pay anything this year and then 2 fees again in Dec 2011

I hope this cleared it up for you if you are not aware of how the system works its easy to misunderstand whats going on.


In your example you would pay next time once in 2011 and 3 times in 2012 so see it evens out,
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“The problem,” he said, “is not our bank. Our bank is perfectly fine. Everybody’s money is safe. The issue is literally with Visa. Visa functionality is the only thing that’s down, which means eCards and vCards. We are working to resolve the issue and we will have a resolution by next week, but at this point in time we don’t have any more information and we will contact everyone as soon as we do have any update at all.”
IF the problem was as simple as they keep making it out to be, then they should have moved everyone's funds in their system to the Wallet, covered it themselves, and emailed all account holders indicating there's an issue with the Virtual Visas and they will work to resolve the matter ASAP but that all funds have been moved to the Wallet and are still sendable/withdrawable. They would actually be confirming what they are saying by their actions, which they currently are NOT, and as we all know especially in this day and age with constant lying from all sides, actions speak MUCH louder than words.

Instead they did nothing of the sort and hoped that the human nature behind bank runs would NOT prevail. They are officially fucked as a payment processor with how they've handled this, with no offense to Michael O since it obviously wasn't his call on how to handle this situation. The proper damage control was to actually control the damage, not try to tell people not to panic...that's just fucking stupid.
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Why when we load Funds from a checking account, does it go to the virtual account and not the wallet.
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IF the problem was as simple as they keep making it out to be, then they should have moved everyone's funds in their system to the Wallet, covered it themselves, and emailed all account holders indicating there's an issue with the Virtual Visas and they will work to resolve the matter ASAP but that all funds have been moved to the Wallet and are still sendable/withdrawable. They would actually be confirming what they are saying by their actions, which they currently are NOT, and as we all know especially in this day and age with constant lying from all sides, actions speak MUCH louder than words. What has Epass done to assure that your money is safe other than say "don't panic, we'll get this straightened out soon"?

Instead they did nothing of the sort and hoped that the human nature behind bank runs would NOT prevail. They are officially fucked as a payment processor with how they've handled this, with no offense to Michael O since it obviously wasn't his call on how to handle this situation. The proper damage control was to actually control the damage, not try to tell people not to panic...that's just fucking stupid.
Yeah, why didn't they just move all funds?
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So.... lets say they fix the problem. How many of you will still use them and keep money with them?

This is a huge wake up call I believe.
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I went to change my wallet settings to default to wallet but I see wallet is already checked even though I never selected it before and there is no other option. Was this option changed to wallet for everyone after this incident occured and the option to select Visa no longer made available?
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After finding out I did some research on the issue and wanted to share my thoughts as it probably answers some questions.

First of all I think we should cut Michael some slack, he is clearly the messenger here and if it wasn't for him we would be completely in the dark. I am 100% sure he is trying to do whatever lies within his power. It is so easy for a company going down the shitter to just not communicate anymore and leave everything behind (well in most cases except the funds then).

I don't know the setup and structure of epassporte in detail but i do know a lot about offshore constructions and credit cards. Working with offshore companies and trust companies in between does not make it easier to get such a setup.

Visa debit cards are issued by Visa through financial institutions, mostly banks. These cards are linked to a corporate account which needs to be funded equally or more of the combined balances on the cards. So if you have 100 cards out there with a combined balance of let's say 50k, the bank who issued those cards has a bank account somewhere with a balance of 50k.

The problem with the wallet and visa "accounts" is that money in the wallet is accounted for on the bank account of epassporte self. Therefore epassporte should have no problem paying out those funds.

Your balance on the visa card is different, an equal amount of funds is located on a bank account at the St. Kitts National Bank linked to the big corporate visa account. At this moment this bank account is probably seized or suspended.

The problem is not caused by epassporte itsself, it is created by the fact St Kitts National Bank has either lost their Visa contract or has to deal with another sort of problem: funds being seized because of legal issues.

If the St Kitts national bank indeed lost their visa account that would mean that they are not allowed to issue new Visa cards or offer customers the functionality to withdraw money through visa cards. This has nothing to do with the funds though as the funds are most likely still in the bank, it is just that the option to withdraw through visa is suspended. Such actions are often communicated well in advance with several warnings, in case Visa has the impression St Kitts National Bank has other, probably legal, issues that might a good reason too.

The other option is that St Kitts National Bank seized all their accounts preventing a bank run for example. I find that unlikely. St. Kitts National Bank is part of the ECIC Holdings Ltd which a consortium of 10 banks in the area which recently were in the news for rescuing the TCI Bank which went into forced liquidation. Again your funds should still be with the bank then, the only problem is then that nobody including Visa or epassporte is able to access, in which case Visa has a good reason to suspend the withdrawal. In this case epassporte will probably try to regain access to the funds and find a new Visa issuing bank to continue operations.

The St. Kitts National Bank (or fully: St Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank Ltd) falls under the Eastern Carribean Central Bank. I couldn't find the warranties and insurances the central bank issues yet but i am pretty sure you can't compare it to western standards.

So in my opinion you can't really blame epassporte at this moment, maybe only for the fact they relied solely on the St Kitts National Bank.

Bitchting at the situation or persons is useless at this moment, the only thing you can do here it withdraw funds on your wallet and be patient till further useful information is released from epassporte (or a newspaper in case you read that the St Kitts National Bank went under supervision or filed bankruptcy which let's hope won't happen)


Please note that I am not affiliated with epassporte in any way, I am just posting my thoughts

More reads:
[1] http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1A1-D9DTKCK80.html
[2] http://www.eccb-centralbank.org/About/index.asp
[3] http://www.ecseonline.com/issuer_pro...ional_bank.php
[4] http://www.ecseonline.com/issuer_pro...Rpt31Mar10.pdf (unaudited quarterly report for Q1 2010 of St. Kitts National Bank)
[5] http://www.thedominican.net/2010/08/...-tci-bank.html

Why in the hell would any company be using "St Kitts National Bank ". Unless if you are doing something that prevents you from doing business with a bank in the US, Europe, Canada etc.... Epass was involved with processing for gambling right? Who uses banks like St Kitts National Bank ??? Seems risky to me. Wouldn't it be safer to use a US based bank or at least one in Europe?
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Unfortunately, we do not offer a withdraw option to a credit card.

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From what I read in this thread, it makes sense for epassporte to freeze the virtual accounts.
If their VISA functionality was cut off and if they have to keep the VISA money as a reserve at all times, they simply cannot release the money. Even if they have access to their account, they cannot do so. If they allowed the transfer to the wallet, then they would no longer be covered.
So assuming that the info is true and their bank is healthy and it is only a VISA problem for epass (and not the bank), then the only way to release the funds in the virtual account is to fix the problems with VISA or to abandon the credit card business entirely (which would no longer require them to keep a reserve).
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Why in the hell would any company be using "St Kitts National Bank ". Unless if you are doing something that prevents you from doing business with a bank in the US, Europe, Canada etc.... Epass was involved with processing for gambling right?
You answered your own question. Remember NETeller?
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Listen Idiot.. When you are doing regular transactions in and out in amounts of $2,000, $5,000, $10,000 and even one nice once this year for $20,000 it is pretty difficult to NOT keep money in your virtual account.. And while my transactions average between $1k to 10k, there are a shitload of people out there that do 5x that with epass on a regular basis. Jesus who cares about $300?? LMFAO! Not to mention that there are many people from outside the USA that really have no other option.

And as far as paying taxes.. umm most of us kinda do have to pay them lol.. with 1099's being sent to the IRS, there is no way around it.Ummm.. if they have lost $200,000.. wouldn't you think that probably put them in a bad position to do anything?? Just because someone has 200k in there, that does not mean it is "fun money" lol..

Understand, if someone has 200k in their epass account, that money was probably intended to go somewhere. i.e.: paying affiliates, advertisers, employees, etc.. now that that money is tied up, they still need to pay those people.. which means to remain in business they will have to find a way to dig up ANOTHER 200k pay those bills.. Probably would not leave much extra money left-over for lawyers.. (which would probably get nowhere if dealing with Visa or foreign banks outside of US regulation).
Why??? Because of History.. History that is scary enough to make any grown man pee himself.. Were you not in this business during the iBill Fiasco?? (and aside from the iBill deal, to put salt in the wound we lost our Merchant account twice within months after paying those enormous Visa fees, because of Visa porn regs forcing 2 different banks we used out of the adult business.. both of those fees were completely lost.. this happened to us at the same time as the iBill shit was going on).

Because of the iBill shit, it financially devastated me (as well as countless others).. I mean completely devastated me. I mean forget about mortgage, vehicle and utility payments for several months, I am talking about it was to the point where I had to look through the couch to find loose change for bread... seriously, not kidding..

Luckily with this epassporte situation I had emptied my epassporte account over the past couple weeks down to just a couple hundred dollars due to an $8000+ hospital bill that needed to be paid.. And to add to my luck even though several people owe me a few thousand dollars, they had not sent the funds yet. If I had $20k in there because of a couple of payments going in at the same time just before this happened, I would be digging in the couch again... Thank F'in God the timing for me worked out this time and was not a repeat of the iBill situation.

#1 Because many people from outside the USA have no other option, therefore if we did not use epassporte we would lose out on that revenue. #2 When doing transactions in amounts of $5,000 or $10,000 paypal charges several hundreds of dollars in fees, whereas epassporte charges pennies.

This could be a huge concern...

Because for some people, like myself, money goes in and out in large amounts so fast on a daily basis that the wallet is completely useless to us.

Like I said, I lucked out this time.. I couldn't be happier to have a couple hundred in my epass virtual account.. and losing that is not at all anything I would cry about.

What I will cry about is what if this does not get resolved because Epass was (is?) the best option for our business model to send and receive large transactions on a regular basis with little or no fees.. Losing epass as an option will put a serious dent in my livelihood..

If it is related to the new Regulations regarding pre-paid credit cards I do not see much light at the end of the tunnel And from my experiences with Visa, they are simply assholes.. I would guess this might take weeks (or months) to resolve, if there even is a resolution at all... However, if it is an issue regarding pre-paid cards, what differentiates epassporte from Paypal?? Is it because epassporte is considered a credit card and Paypal is considered a debit card?

And someone in this thread mentioned that if it did get resolved, that Epass would be damaged by everyone pulling their money out at once as soon as they are able, to which someone else promptly replied that actually it would be an injection of revenue for them as they get paid for withdrawls. While this is true, in the long term (if they do survive this), this issue will probably hurt them.

The one nightmare I hope never happens is if CCBill shit the bed... Now that would be an industry-wide game changer.

And I gotta add.. I've read all 20+ pages.. and I can't believe how many goofballs ask the same exact 2-3 questions over and over that were already asked and answered time and time again.. lmao..
You are my hero !! I was tempted to adress several questions and bitchslaps posted on some of the past pages, but you did a great job in doing so. Its relaxing to see a businessman step in and name a few things with its real names. Thumbs up for you.
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Where exactly is our money now, in ePassporte's hands or in Visa's ?
The money on the visa virtual is being held at St Kitts Nevis Anguilla
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I don't understand why some people don't believe this will be resolved. If the VISA withdrew their licence from the bank in question that doesn't mean the money is lost, nor is it disappeared. If the funds are there in the bank and the bank is liquid then I don't see this unresolved.

Yes, it might take some time, but heck, it's better to take some time and get resolved than just all of the sudden everything shuts down. I am sure ePass is not joking around. The probably have tens of millions if not hundreds in people's accounts, so it's not easy to just decide to shut down and do nothing about the people's money. And even though it probably isn't ePass fault, they are still accountable for the money on people's accounts.

I sure for one hope this will be resolved, maybe not as soon as we think, but it'll be resolved! On one way or another!
because you are dealing with: a bank in St. Kitts, Visa, and a 3rd party processor.

When has anything good come out of a 3rd party processor being shut down by visa? Never. It never turns out good. I hope I am wrong here, time will tell if this happens like all the other times. I hope Chris gets on here and takes the shit if/when that does happen. Not fair for Michael to get the brunt of the shit when he was not cause to the problem in any kind of way.
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