How many signups a day would you consider satisfying for a small program?

[MaDalton]

let's assume no trials - price range around $29.90 monthly

10 a day?

20 a day?

50 a day?

not sure about today, but a few years ago i heard from bigger programs something between 2,000 and 3,500 signups a week - including trials

[FeelMyTube]

depends what are the costs, no? then enough to meet you're desired return / profit margin.

other than that, as many as possible

[Barefootsies]

For a small program, per day, I think most would be shitting their panties with 10 per day.

[HomerSimpson]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

For a small program, per day, I think most would be shitting their panties with 10 per day.

[chronig]

With affiliates 20/day minimum, without 10/day minimum... absolute minimum to 'keep going'

anything less >>> gtfo

[Shap]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

let's assume no trials - price range around $29.90 monthly

10 a day?

20 a day?

50 a day?

not sure about today, but a few years ago i heard from bigger programs something between 2,000 and 3,500 signups a week - including trials

The only people that did those numbers were really big programs. Not sure if I misread but it sounds like people told you small programs used to do 2000 signups a week?

[Shap]

We've looked to acquire a number of sites. And to be honest you'd be surprised how many sites are always around the 10/day mark. And this during the height of the industry.

That said it's all about what that site owner wants to make. Everything is hearsay in this business. A lot of bs floats around. I'm usually guilty of getting caught up and worrying about how we rank in the industry. But really it doesn't matter. As long as you are happy and meeting your targets (both short and long term) that's usually the most important thing.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by chronig

With affiliates 20/day minimum, without 10/day minimum... absolute minimum to 'keep going'

anything less >>> gtfo

7 signups a day with decent rebills could net someone $5k+ a month. For most people that's pretty decent living.

[ack]

how do u get at 5k a month math based on 7 joins mr shap

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by ack

how do u get at 5k a month math based on 7 joins mr shap

rebillz negro

[chronig]

Originally Posted by Shap

7 signups a day with decent rebills could net someone $5k+ a month. For most people that's pretty decent living.

Sorry I confusingly meant signups/rebills combined - so about 8,000$/month before expenses...

[Shap]

Originally Posted by ack

how do u get at 5k a month math based on 7 joins mr shap

7 signups per day at roughly $25 a pop ($29.90 minus processing fees) = $175 per day
7 rebills per day at $25 = $175 per day
Total = $350 per day * 30 = $10500 per month.

A small operation should have no problem operating at a 50% profit margin.

Hence $5000+ in net a month.

[epitome]

Strive for 10 with good rebills.

Also do not forget the many other ways to monetize members. It's not all about the initial join or rebill.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by epitome

Strive for 10 with good rebills.

Also do not forget the many other ways to monetize members. It's not all about the initial join or rebill.

Exactly. The other ways to monetize could easily cover all expenses leaving a 7 to 10 signup/day site the potential to make $10k net a month.

[Evil Chris]

I'm looking to increase my daily joins.

If you want to sell me some of your traffic, hit me up now.

[ack]

ok cool math didnt know your daily signup rate had to match your daily rebills to tell if you are doing good or not

[Shap]

Originally Posted by ack

ok cool math didnt know your daily signup rate had to match your daily rebills to tell if you are doing good or not

That is if you are a decent site. You should be able to achieve 1:1 rebill:sales ratio after 6 months. On Twistys it's much higher ie 2:1

[pornstar2fag]

at least 4.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Shap

Exactly. The other ways to monetize could easily cover all expenses leaving a 7 to 10 signup/day site the potential to make $10k net a month.

And for anyone wondering how, just a few are:

Limited trials to encourage more sign-ups
If you're into xsales, sell to another one of your sites
Live cams white label in the members area
Member area upsells to complimentary sites
Member mailers
Ex-member mailers

Some of the above I like, others I don't.

[Yanks_Todd]

shap's math is solid, I have alway equated a signup a day to around $1k per month

[Yanks_Todd]

add a signup a day, make a grand

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

add a signup a day, make a grand

Damn I'm a math man and I never looked at it that way. I like it

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Shap

Damn I'm a math man and I never looked at it that way. I like it

Sounds so simple when broken down that way.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by epitome

Sounds so simple when broken down that way.

Yeah sure does

[IllTestYourGirls]

Bigger programs should be doing 2000 joins a week easily. 500k unqiues/day at a join every 1000 is 500 joins a day 3500/week. Even at a ratio of 1/2000 its still 1750 a week.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Bigger programs should be doing 2000 joins a week easily. 500k unqiues/day at a join every 1000 is 500 joins a day 3500/week. Even at a ratio of 1/2000 its still 1750 a week.

Lol how many paysites can you name that get 500k a day?

[ack]

2k joins a week is 285 joins a day most companies lucky to do 50 a day i bet

[12clicks]

who knew!

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Shap

The only people that did those numbers were really big programs. Not sure if I misread but it sounds like people told you small programs used to do 2000 signups a week?

no, no - those numbers were from big programs - but 2005. not sure how it looks today

Originally Posted by epitome

Strive for 10 with good rebills.

Also do not forget the many other ways to monetize members. It's not all about the initial join or rebill.

that sounds reasonable for now

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

no, no - those numbers were from big programs - but 2005. not sure how it looks today

Some programs do them. Some do many many more. Depends if you count free(cc) trials or $1 trials etc. Some programs operate in the shade doing 1000+ signups a day but you can guess where most signs come from (mailers and chat).

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

let's assume no trials - price range around $29.90 monthly

10 a day?

20 a day?

50 a day?

not sure about today, but a few years ago i heard from bigger programs something between 2,000 and 3,500 signups a week - including trials

10 a day is 300 a month, solid cash for small program

[Denny]

20+ a day

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Shap

Lol how many paysites can you name that get 500k a day?

Well I was thinking most big programs have more than one pay site. I was just figuring that over all they had 500k in traffic. They should have more.

[fuzebox]

I love when people start throwing numbers around.

[sojproductions]

Originally Posted by epitome

And for anyone wondering how, just a few are:

Live cams white label in the members area

This is interesting to me, do you know of any with transgender models?

[woj]

way too many factors to consider

someone living in some 3rd world country with low overhead and a site that rebills well could probably live well with just a few signups per day...

[sojproductions]

so if bigger programs were doing 2000 to 3500 a week a few years back, whats the guesstimate now? half?

[DWB]

Glenn showed me his full NATS stats from Incredible Dollars a few years ago before they shit the bed... 2000-3000+ new sales a day, 5000+ rebills a day. I almost threw up in my mouth.

I think with smaller programs if you can get 10 solid a day, you will be OK. Though there are days where you simply get shit.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by sojproductions

This is interesting to me, do you know of any with transgender models?

AWE has trannies

[Shap]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Glenn showed me his full NATS stats from Incredible Dollars a few years ago before they shit the bed... 2000-3000+ new sales a day, 5000+ rebills a day. I almost threw up in my mouth.

I think with smaller programs if you can get 10 solid a day, you will be OK. Though there are days where you simply get shit.

I saw it as well. 97% were cross sells.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by sojproductions

so if bigger programs were doing 2000 to 3500 a week a few years back, whats the guesstimate now? half?

It's all a matter of who you are talking about. If you are talking about the top programs then you have people that were doing that daily. The reality is it's all about what your goals are. Getting caught up in what makes you a big program is a waste of time and energy and at the end of the day a pile of bs. I just need to remember that LOL.

If you want to put actual numbers on it. I don't think anyone would dispute any program doing over a $1,000,000 net a year is a big program. That's probably your best target.

[beemk]

anyone asking this question should stop worrying about what people think about them. you should worry about if you're getting enough joins to give you what kind of money you need to live off of, not what other people think about how well you're doing.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Shap

I saw it as well. 97% were cross sells.

depressing - how many of those will never buy a membership again anywhere else?

[stever]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

depressing - how many of those will never buy a membership again anywhere else?

about 98%

[The Ghost]

Overhead is the big thing mentioned in the thread. Sites with exclusive shot content with multiple models and a regular update schedule require slightly more sales than other types to sustain. But again they should also make more in rebills for a longer period of time as long as they satisfy/oversatisfy members.

"Satisfying" is pretty subjective when accounting for living expenses around the world. Countless factors but for the fun of the thread a guesstimate would be 11.5 full sales a day after 6 months for a 1 man operation, 50/50 split with moderate production costs, design/programming/hosting and good rebills.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by beemk

anyone asking this question should stop worrying about what people think about them. you should worry about if you're getting enough joins to give you what kind of money you need to live off of, not what other people think about how well you're doing.

Originally Posted by The Ghost

Overhead is the big thing mentioned in the thread. Sites with exclusive shot content with multiple models and a regular update schedule require slightly more sales than other types to sustain. But again they should also make more in rebills for a longer period of time as long as they satisfy/oversatisfy members.

"Satisfying" is pretty subjective when accounting for living expenses around the world. Countless factors but for the fun of the thread a guesstimate would be 11.5 full sales a day after 6 months for a 1 man operation, 50/50 split with moderate production costs, design/programming/hosting and good rebills.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Well I was thinking most big programs have more than one pay site. I was just figuring that over all they had 500k in traffic. They should have more.

More programs do 2000+ joins a week than programs that have 500k uniques a day. 500k is a lot of traffic to a program.

[sandman!]

10-20......

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Shap

More programs do 2000+ joins a week than programs that have 500k uniques a day. 500k is a lot of traffic to a program.

To me thats surprising to hear. I am pushing over 50k to 100k to sponsors a day. I am sure sponsors in house traffic managers are pushing way more than I can.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Glenn showed me his full NATS stats from Incredible Dollars a few years ago before they shit the bed... 2000-3000+ new sales a day, 5000+ rebills a day. I almost threw up in my mouth.

I think with smaller programs if you can get 10 solid a day, you will be OK. Though there are days where you simply get shit.

damn thats a nice chunck