You ARE a Conservative

[cambaby]

You just dont know it yet.

You believe that government should be limited in its regulating role.
You believe that government should not dictate your social beliefs.
You believe that government should enable your business, not provide it.

To sum it up, you dont want government telling you how to run your business or your personal life period.

Now back to our regularly scheduled propaganda....

[kane]

The problem is most of the modern day so-called conservatives don't actually believe in these things. they may say they do, but their actions speak louder than words.

[cambaby]

I think maybe you listen to the media too much, most Americans are center-right, and they are pretty silent most of the time. American media is notorious for painting a picture of center-right people as biggots, closed minded, stuck ups. Frankly that picture is not even close to being accurate.

Most Americans are very good hearted kind people, they just arent very loud and the only Americans you hear from on TV are the extremists of one political leaning or another.

Originally Posted by kane

The problem is most of the modern day so-called conservatives don't actually believe in these things. they may say they do, but their actions speak louder than words.

[cambaby]

Oh and dont get caught up in the whole Republican vs Democrat thing, most conservative people vote Democrat locally and Republican nationally I wish I could find this report I read a while back about those trends that had proof of this but alas I dont have it on me at the moment.

Originally Posted by kane

The problem is most of the modern day so-called conservatives don't actually believe in these things. they may say they do, but their actions speak louder than words.

[epitome]

Hey cambaby, tell us how you feel about gay marriage again...

Then tell us how it fits into the framework you've outlined above.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by epitome

Hey cambaby, tell us how you feel about gay marriage again... Then tell us how it fits into the framework you've outlined above.

Well let me explain it to your small brain...
1. I troll a lot
2. The gay "marriage" issue is simply a political wedge tool, legal right extend beyond "marriage". A "civil union" and a "marriage" are the same thing in the eyes of the states.
3. PERSONALLY I think its a non-issue because it offers ZERO benefits to gay people over PROPERLY REGULATED civil unions and only acts to create a rift between gays and straights.
4. You open a whole can of worms when you start opening up "marriages" based on sexual PREFERENCE(and until homosexuality is proven to be genetic it will always be a preference).

Is that too much for you? Or would you like it more black and white for your little brain to understand?

[Slutboat]

conservative scum sucking war profiteering torture pigs made it unsafe to be a known American in many of my favorite international cities.

thanks slimeball war pigs wallowing in your blood and oil smeared money

thanks for the utter and total destruction of the reputation the USA in the eyes of the world

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

thanks for the utter and total destruction of the reputation the USA in the eyes of the world

Yes because reputation feeds hungry people....
Fuck the world, you think they have EVER cared about Americans?

I gotta say tho your trolling skills are getting better, that whole firing your crackwhore model cause she was racist gave me a good chuckle.

[Slutboat]

man you right wing leeches must be shaking in your cow shit covered boots because your kids these days aren't so easy to program your racism, bigotry and over consumption into anymore, what with cable TV, cell phones and the Internet these next generations of American youth are going to grow up with independent and more enlightened world views than their pea brained neocon turd sucking parents. sorry conservatives, you're going extinct.

[the Shemp]

Originally Posted by cambaby

You just dont know it yet.

You believe that government should be limited in its regulating role.
You believe that government should not dictate your social beliefs.
You believe that government should enable your business, not provide it.

To sum it up, you dont want government telling you how to run your business or your personal life period.

Now back to our regularly scheduled propaganda....

are you pro choice ?

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

man you right wing leeches must be shaking in your cow shit covered boots because your kids these days aren't so easy to program your racism, bigotry and over consumption into anymore, what with cable TV, cell phones and the Internet these next generations of American youth are going to grow up with independent and more enlightened world views than their pea brained neocon turd sucking parents. sorry conservatives, you're going extinct.

i wish that was true...

kids today are growing up with a sense of entitlement and an overall feeling of who gives a shit...

kids have access to so much information these days and it might be a positive thing if their parents actually had dinner time discussions about current events, but with the economy so fucked and parents worrying so much or working two jobs just to buy their kids the latest junk they see on tv i fear that kids formulate their opinions based on what the media feeds them...




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[ThunderBalls]

Being conservative has been proven to be a mental disorder.........


A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in "fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity".

As if that was not enough to get Republican blood boiling, the report's four authors linked Hitler, Mussolini, Ronald Reagan and the rightwing talkshow host, Rush Limbaugh, arguing they all suffered from the same affliction.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/13/usa.redbox

[kane]

Originally Posted by cambaby

I think maybe you listen to the media too much, most Americans are center-right, and they are pretty silent most of the time. American media is notorious for painting a picture of center-right people as biggots, closed minded, stuck ups. Frankly that picture is not even close to being accurate.

It may be true that the majority of the country is center right (or not, I'm not sure), but that is changing. I was reading the other day that the current generation who is around 13-23 years old make up the largest current segment of the population since the baby boomers. In 10 years they will make up 1/3rd of the electorate and at this point they are far more liberal than they are conservative. That might change, but at the moment most of them are more left leaning than right.

Most Americans are very good hearted kind people, they just arent very loud and the only Americans you hear from on TV are the extremists of one political leaning or another.

I agree. The extremist are the ones that get on TV and end up in the news.

All of this doesn't change that fact that many of our leaders who call themselves conservatives, who run on a conservative platform, really don't practice the beliefs that you have listed here. If people really do believe these things, why do they continue to elect people who don't? To me this means one of two things are true: 1. The voters don't really care. They don't take the time to actually look into candidates and they just vote based on a few soundbites that they hear. or 2. Our entire political system is so broken it is impossible for anyone who actually stand for these values to get elected unless they happen to have millions of their own dollars that they wish to spend.

[kane]

Originally Posted by cambaby

Well let me explain it to your small brain...
1. I troll a lot
2. The gay "marriage" issue is simply a political wedge tool, legal right extend beyond "marriage". A "civil union" and a "marriage" are the same thing in the eyes of the states.
3. PERSONALLY I think its a non-issue because it offers ZERO benefits to gay people over PROPERLY REGULATED civil unions and only acts to create a rift between gays and straights.
4. You open a whole can of worms when you start opening up "marriages" based on sexual PREFERENCE(and until homosexuality is proven to be genetic it will always be a preference).

Is that too much for you? Or would you like it more black and white for your little brain to understand?

So it sounds like you feel gay people should be allowed to have civil unions, but not get "married" because you feel allowing them to get "married" opens up a can worms and becomes a political tool.

Am I right about that?

If so, doesn't that fly against the conservative beliefs you posted above? If the government shouldn't be allowed to dictate social beliefs than anyone who wants to marry anyone else should be allowed to do so and the government should not be allowed to determine who can get married and who can get a civil union. There should only be one or the other. Either everyone can get married, or everyone gets a civil union.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

conservative scum sucking war profiteering torture pigs made it unsafe to be a known American in many of my favorite international cities.

That is only because you are fucking pussy. I live and travel all over Europe and never have any fucking problems. Have you considered that maybe people hate you because you are an imbecile?

[Chosen]

Thanks for this incredibly useful info...

[cambaby]

Yes it somewhat does fly against my beliefs about what government should and shouldnt dictate in personal life. Let me say this, I dont think marriage should have been a "federal mandate" as it has been. For instance in most states there is a clause that says if someone is in a relationship with you and resides with you for a certain amount of time that you are automatically entered into a common law marriage and I think that is wrong. In the end there is a precedent and we should draw the line somewhere, we cant keep making more and more laws of "inclusion" because there will always be one part of the population that will feel "excluded".

This current fight over gay marriage includes something that a lot of people forget, the rights of states to create and enforce their own laws according to the will of the majority of people in that state. California voters banned gay marriage and unless there is another public vote there should be no court in the land that should go against the will of the majority of voters or believe that their wishes are inconsequential.

I dont care about moral arguments, the power of VOTING should be the utmost freedom protected in this instance.

Originally Posted by kane

If so, doesn't that fly against the conservative beliefs you posted above? If the government shouldn't be allowed to dictate social beliefs than anyone who wants to marry anyone else should be allowed to do so and the government should not be allowed to determine who can get married and who can get a civil union. There should only be one or the other. Either everyone can get married, or everyone gets a civil union.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Being conservative has been proven to be a mental disorder.........http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/13/usa.redbox

You expect to quote a 2003 news article from a liberal foreign newspaper about a study that was funded by Democrats and researched in a liberal institution to be an accurate depiction of conservatism?

You are an idiot.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

are you pro choice ?

I wish it were that simple.
Put it this way Shemp... I believe a woman and a man who do not want children should be responsible, obviously some are not, and in that case I believe that it is the responsibility of those people to sacrifice and bring that life to its fullest, but since most dont I believe that once that child is born it could be adopted by loving and responsible people(of which there are PLENTY who want children and cant have them in the USA).

Of course this applies to the USA in this current time, I can definitely see in some very poor countries where abortion may very well be the only answer to protect the greater good of the people.

So personally I am pro-life, but not at the expense of those already living. There really is no excuse not to have an unwanted child in America because there are plenty of couples(gay and straight) that would love and care for that child.

[cambaby]

Freedom is not an extremist view and you should not treat freedoms and liberties as such. It isnt black and white and there are always unwritten common sense rules that apply to everything.

Just because I have the freedom to do something doesnt mean it makes it right for me to do it.

Conservatism.

[the Shemp]

Originally Posted by cambaby

I wish it were that simple.
Put it this way Shemp... I believe a woman and a man who do not want children should be responsible, obviously some are not, and in that case I believe that it is the responsibility of those people to sacrifice and bring that life to its fullest, but since most dont I believe that once that child is born it could be adopted by loving and responsible people(of which there are PLENTY who want children and cant have them in the USA).

Of course this applies to the USA in this current time, I can definitely see in some very poor countries where abortion may very well be the only answer to protect the greater good of the people.

So personally I am pro-life, but not at the expense of those already living. There really is no excuse not to have an unwanted child in America because there are plenty of couples(gay and straight) that would love and care for that child.

thanks for answering, i was curious...
do you think that there are any circumstances where an abortion could be acceptable?
like rape, incest etc...

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

thanks for answering, i was curious...
do you think that there are any circumstances where an abortion could be acceptable?
like rape, incest etc...

Absolutely, thats just common sense

[Bill8]

The current democrats are so corrupt, and the coming times are going to be so bad, it would be best to let the republicans or the teabaggers have power again.

whoever is in power when the shit rains is going to be hated, so why shouldn't it be the baggers?

whats the worst they could do?

[u-Bob]

Left vs Right, Liberal vs Conservative...

2 wings of the same bird....

[CaptainHowdy]

I'm autodestructive...

[kane]

Originally Posted by cambaby

Yes it somewhat does fly against my beliefs about what government should and shouldnt dictate in personal life. Let me say this, I dont think marriage should have been a "federal mandate" as it has been. For instance in most states there is a clause that says if someone is in a relationship with you and resides with you for a certain amount of time that you are automatically entered into a common law marriage and I think that is wrong. In the end there is a precedent and we should draw the line somewhere, we cant keep making more and more laws of "inclusion" because there will always be one part of the population that will feel "excluded".

This current fight over gay marriage includes something that a lot of people forget, the rights of states to create and enforce their own laws according to the will of the majority of people in that state. California voters banned gay marriage and unless there is another public vote there should be no court in the land that should go against the will of the majority of voters or believe that their wishes are inconsequential.

I dont care about moral arguments, the power of VOTING should be the utmost freedom protected in this instance.

So if the state of California (or any other state for that matter) votes into law that black people have to sit in the back of the bus and use different bathrooms and become second class citizens like they once were, should that be allowed?

While I agree with you that in most cases if people vote for something they should get it. For example, in November California will have a vote to legalize pot in that state. If it passes they should be allowed to have it, but there may be federal challenges made to the law. In this case nobody's civil rights are being stomped on by pot being legalized so that shouldn't happen.

However, the court is also in place to make sure that minorities are not simply run rough-shot over by the masses. Other wise we can vote in slavery again if we want. What if we decide to take women's rights to vote away again? Maybe we can vote that it is okay to openly beat a black person in public if they don't let you cut in line. While some of these are extreme cases, I'm using them to make a point. If the masses decide they want something the stomps on another person's civil rights, the courts are there to step in and help.

Gay marriage shouldn't be an issue. Marriage is a failed institution. If you took a test and got half the questions wrong you would get an F. If half the planes that took off from an airport crashed they would stop all flights. Yet half the people who get married get divorced and people still insist on doing it. Gay marriage is not going to further damage this. Marriage is something that is between two people. What it means to them and how seriously they take the marriage is completely up to them. I know people who have been married over 30 years and have worked hard to stay together through good times and bad and I know people who got divorced after 2 years because the other person drove them crazy.

There should be no civil unions and no common law marriages. If you love someone and decide you want to marry them, you should be able to. If you decide to just live together for 20 years and never get married then break up and go your separate ways, that should be allowed as well and there should be no law stopping it. To me it is simple. You are married, or you are not. No other options. We don't need to keep making laws of "inclusion", instead we can do what real conservatives claim they want. We can shrink the government. Get rid of common law marriage and get rid of civil unions. Actually remove laws from the books and shrink the government's size. Simply have marriage for any two people who want to get married (for that matter if 3,4 or 5 people want to all marry in a polygamists way, they should be allowed to do that as well) The government then plays no role in our bedrooms and private lives which is how it should be.

[TheDoc]

None of the things you listed are limited to a Conservative view and none listed are actually practiced by most Conservatives.

I agree in family and the community, I do not agree with church or forcing the community, defining marriage at all or wish to restrict peoples rights based on religious beliefs or because of some moral standard, ie: abortion.

I think most people here align with Libertarianism, more than anything.

[Vendzilla]

I think it's all a shell game, an empty one
Democrats and GOP use their rallying cries and people still buy into it, the end result is the federal government gets bigger and takes over our lives

read the little statement in my sig, I was a republican till Bush, now, just pissed at how things are done

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

read the little statement in my sig, I was a republican till Bush, now, just pissed at how things are done

Conservative does not mean REPUBLICAN.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

None of the things you listed are limited to a Conservative view and none listed are actually practiced by most Conservatives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by cambaby

Conservative does not mean REPUBLICAN.

I realize that, there use to be conservative democrats at one time.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by kane

So if the state of California (or any other state for that matter) votes into law that black people have to sit in the back of the bus and use different bathrooms and become second class citizens like they once were, should that be allowed?
...

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch." -- Benjamin Franklin.

Originally Posted by kane

If the masses decide they want something the stomps on another person's civil rights, the courts are there to step in and help.
...

"Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature." -- Benjamin Franklin

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

are you pro choice ?

Yes, I am.

[fatfoo]

What you talk about could be better for business purposes.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by cambaby

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

You should try reading it...you may even learn what an actual Conservative is.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by kane

The problem is most of the modern day so-called conservatives don't actually believe in these things. they may say they do, but their actions speak louder than words.

You nailed it on the head. Case in point, GW Bush's massive spending (example: the Prescription drug law).

[kane]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch." -- Benjamin Franklin.

You don't have the whole quote there. It actually reads:

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. "

He also has said :"Where liberty dwells, there is my country. "

So you might say democracy is a group of people voting for something. Liberty is a single person telling the masses that they won't stand for that. It seems that maybe Franklin wants to live where there are people standing up to the masses and demanding to be heard.

"Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature." -- Benjamin Franklin

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." --Thomas Jefferson from The Declaration of Independence.

If we are to believe this document, the document that the foundation of this country started with, we are all created equal and all are allowed to purse life, liberty and happiness.

If a group of people decides they want to take away my right to pursuing happiness and liberty I should be allowed to stand up and fight back. Our legal system is in place to help oversee such fights. The masses in California decided that they didn't want gay people to be able to marry. The gay people are fighting back and the legal system is deciding who is right here.

Are the gay people who want the ability to get married not the well armed lamb?