The Demon

Let me use your elementary school logic. If you support the building of the community center, then you're a terrorist! Man, it would suck to be as dumb as you.

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Coup

You're an incoherent bigot

Coup

This is all you ever add to conversations

IllTestYourGirls

TheDoc, is targeting civilians a war crime?

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The Demon

I rest my case.

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TheDoc

Yes, most people don't like to be attacked... be it from a Drone, an Airplane dropping a bomb on them or Military personal attacking them. I bet they would like it a lot less if we occupied the lands.


Civilians aren't being targeted... suspected terrorists are. The article you posted above even says that.

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Coup

hey whatever shuts you up is fine by me

marketsmart

i am always willing to debate a position. just because i am not willing to bend to your ideology does not make my viewpoint any less valid than yours.

the comical part is when i see a person so determined in their beliefs that they are unwilling to have any kind of reasonable discussion and instead start calling people stupid.

yes, there are a few people here that resort to name calling and you are becoming one of them.

i guess you dont have thick enough skin to take these insults and find tossing them back easier than defending or debating your points.

thats surprising considering you that you consider yourself to be so intelligent.

how will you ever uncover what the deeper reasons are to why a person feels a certain way about a topic or issue if you close the door on conversation by calling the other person stupid. to me, that just sounds like an excuse to close the door on further debate.

when you close your mind to opinions other than your own, you close your mind to learning..

that doesnt sound like an intelligent person to me...

btw, how could i like or not like you? i dont even know you... this is an internet board.. dont take it so seriously...





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Coup

More Like TeaKlanners

The Demon

When did I ask you to bend to my ideology? And I discredit your viewpoint when it's not logical. When you make an argument (rare), you don't see me judging you. So this is a baseless accusation.

You've just described 99% of the liberals on this forum but I don't see you ever calling them out. (Bias)

I've debated countless times with intelligent people on this forum. You can't debate with people who are stupid, like Coup for instance. They don't understand logical viewpoints so why waste the time?

YOu mean like calling someone a bigot because they don't support the community center and/or same sex marriages, calling someone a racist because they don't support Obama, etc? I could go on but the funny thing is, these are all liberal copouts.

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The Demon

This one symbolizes morons like Coup.

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xholly

I dont see coup arguing emotionally however the only possible argument against building this mosque thingy is based purely on emotion.

The Demon

Or a logical argument appealing to the emotions of those killed in 9/11, as opposed to calling someone emotional keywords just because you don't have an argument.

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Bryan G

The fact that you would even refer to Sarah fuckng palin is a joke in itself.

like really Sarah Palin??????

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Coup

This thing is only opposed by emotional reactionary amerikkkan conservatives.

The Demon

I could have used Pelosi but that would be even worse.


Weird, because the Democrats/Liberals are divided on this matter. Are you really this stupid or just ignorant of reality? And wtf is "emotional reactionary"? You just lumped two words together. Did you even complete high school?

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Bryan G

Like really??? Palin??

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The Demon

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Coup

Educate yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary

The Demon

Ah, so you've not only just proven that "emotional reactionary" makes no real sense, but that you love going to the extreme (ironic since you're calling other people radicals), and definitely against living in reality. Thanks for playing, homo (yes, I called you a homo, I must hate homosexuals!!)

Btw, kudos on copying huffingtonpost's usage of "emotional reactionary", which still makes no sense. 1orglaugh
1orglaugh

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Coup

it makes perfect sense in the context that it was used. sorry about your poor reading comprehension and vocabulary skills.

Bryan G

You can actually See Russia!!!!

LMFAO

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The Demon

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EFWdiS55_j8

Priceless.

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marketsmart

yes, there are a lot of people here that are stuck on arguing the facts that are given to them by the media, whether right or left..

yes, there are people here that are unable to have any type of logical debate..

however, there are people here that i have seen you attack that are willing to discuss issues in some sort of a reasonable manner..

i dont waste my time calling people out, but once in a while i will just make some ridiculous post to get their goat or get them heated..

this method is way more fun than trying to have a conversation with someone that will just never get it..

vendzilla is like this. you are never going to change that guys mind about anything that he has seen on fox news. to him its gospel..

there are others just like him and thats just the way it goes...

calling a person stupid in a thread every now and then is ok and usually pretty funny when deserved, but go back and look at your posts... you have a history of doing this to any person that doesnt agree with you..

and who are you to decide what is logical and what is not.. sometimes logic has nothing to do with it. there are people that are against this building that are smart and dont have a racist bone in their body, but maybe their whole family was destroyed on 911 and no matter what you preach to them or whatever valid argument you have, they are never going to change their mind.

does that make them a racist or not logical? i think it does not. they just have outside factors that influence their ideas..

if the media would stop and take the time to really force people to discuss why they are against this building instead of just trying to get a feeding frenzy, they would probably find that the average person against this building doesnt have all the facts, only what they have been fed..

this is the greatest tragedy in our society today. we no longer have open discussions about the world we live in..

and its because of people like you that resort to calling people stupid and making them feel insecure about sharing their ideas...

anyway, this is a message board and i'm sure you dont act like this with your friends or in public when having conversations with people that dont share your same opinions...




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The Demon

Still ignoring facts eh? Well, not surprising if you're delusional.

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Coup

you're ignoring the fact that you have poor reading comprehension and vocabulary skills yet blabber on about how dumb others are.

you are a typical amerikkkan

The Demon

I understand


This simply isn't true. I've disagreed with conservatives on this forum many times. I've disagreed with dy na mo and Kane many times. But unlike the rest of the people on here, they're able to back their points up logically, and I don't have to insult them.

Please, not with the generic "who are you to..." argument. This gets debunked time and time again. Logic is logic. There are logical reasons that support the building of the center, and logical reasons opposing it. One with the ability to debate logically has more credibility on logic than one who is an idiot.

You should definitely preach this to coup, who calls someone a racist or a bigot if they don't agree with his stupidity.

I don't because my friends happen to be college educated and intelligent, and even some liberals can come up with valid arguments. To me though, it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

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The Demon

I really don't think you have any comprehension of "reading comprehension skills" or "vocabulary" at this juncture but you're definitely an amusing child!

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Coup

you are an amusing typical amerikkkan bigot

Quentin

Fareed Zakaria's August 6th article makes a pretty good case that allowing the cultural center/mosque represents an opportunity to make a potent statement in the ongoing effort to "prevail in the battle of ideas and to discredit radical Islam."

There are good points made throughout the article, but these two in particular caught my eye, because they capture why we really can't simply dismiss working with Islamic clergy as part of the strategy for combating Islamic fundamentalist militarism around the world:

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I understand the appeal of thinking that we should simply say "fuck all those {insert religious faith here}" when the person saying it believes that the faith in question is defined by its fundamentalists and radicals, but as a practical matter, it simply isn't feasible to cease interacting with an entire faith and its various adherents in matters of international commerce, politics or diplomacy.

Accordingly, we really have no choice but to work through non-radical (which is a broader category than "moderate," IMO) Islamic clergy in order to reach the broader Muslim world and implore Muslims to reject radicalism.

While it might be satisfying on some level to some people to think that the non-Muslim world can simply beat the Muslim world into a corner through military action and political or economic sanction, it's pure folly to believe such is actually possible.

For those who say "it isn't about the mosque, it is about the location of the mosque," I understand where you are coming from, but the world is absolutely filled with insensitivity to one group or another. IMO, inflamed sensibilities are not a particularly solid basis for public policy, and it is far better to require people get over their hurt feelings than to decide matters of policy in deference to those hurt feelings.

I'm no fan of Fred Phelps and his troop of funeral-protesting cretins, for instance, but the courts have determined that they have a First Amendment right to be utter assholes, provided that they honor the requisite time/place/manner restrictions while being such assholes. (I know what some of you are thinking as you read that last bit, but trust me, you will not prevail in court trying to apply such time/place/manner restrictions to a place of worship itself.)

I may not like it, but I accept as a fact of life that Phelps and Friends will continue to be the sort of assholes that they are, and I will have to content myself with laughing at their inane bullshit. By the same token, many people may not like the idea of an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero, but as a matter of law and public policy, I think they are going to have to either get used to the idea, or get used to waking up pissed off about it on a daily basis.

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The Demon

The correct term would be "typical amusing amerikkan bigot", but what do you expect from someone too dumb to complete high school.

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The Demon

Very thought out response, one of the only ones on this forum. However, it's unlikely the center will be built there regardless of anyone's opinions. It's just not realistic.

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Coup

The Demon is the poster child for severe brain trauma.

Coup

Aside from your blatant denial and delusions, your inability to use the English Language is staggering.

Quentin

Ah, that may well be true. Honestly, this situation isn't something I've been following very closely, other than the underlying philosophical debate and potential policy ramification aspects of it, so I'm pretty much in the dark about the funding and other logistics that are likely to determine whether the proposed center gets built or not.

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The Demon

Hey, repeating what I've said to you already, at least you're getting the basics of the English language down!

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Russell Simmons has taken a public stand in support of Park51, the Muslim community center whose planned construction in lower Manhattan has become a national controversy. The Associated Press reports that the hip-hop mogul, who lives across the street from the site of the World Trade Center, adorned several of his top-floor apartment windows with messages of tolerance regarding the so-called ?Ground Zero mosque.?

Six of Simmons? window displays spell out the word ?COEXIST? using religious symbols drawn from traditions including Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism. Another cites Mark 12:31, the New Testament passage instructing Christians to ?love thy neighbor as thyself.? Two more window displays read ?USA = FREE? and ?IT?S THE LAW.?

?The fact that it is a public discussion, that there?s so many against it is what I think is disappointing to me, that so many people don?t know that we founded our country on the First Amendment,? Simmons told the AP. ?It?s for Jews, it?s for Christians, it?s for African-Americans and other non-Muslims to stand up and protect the rights of the Muslims involved in this debate?. It?s an American principle, it should offend every American.?

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Coup

Mayor Michael Bloomberg delivered an impassioned speech on religious freedom at a Ramadan dinner at Gracie Mansion Tuesday night, declaring there's "nowhere in the five boroughs of New York City that is off limits to any religion."

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New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg speaks during a dinner in observance of Iftar at Gracie Mansion on Tuesday

Mr. Bloomberg, speaking at an annual Iftar dinner, said he understood the impulse to find an alternative location for the proposed mosque and Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero. But this kind of "compromise," as Gov. David Paterson and others have suggested, will not the end the debate, he said.

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"There is nowhere in the five boroughs that is off limits to any religion."

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"The question will then become, how big should the 'no-mosque zone' be around the World Trade Center site? There is already a mosque four blocks away. Should it be moved?" the mayor said. "This is a test of our commitment to American values. We have to


Mayor Michael Bloomberg delivered an impassioned speech on religious freedom at a Ramadan dinner at Gracie Mansion Tuesday night. Video courtesy of Fox News.

have the courage of our convictions. We must do what is right, not what is easy."

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Mr. Bloomberg also defended Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the spiritual leader of the proposed center, while acknowledging that some of the imam's statements have stoked controversy.

The mayor said, "Let me declare that we in New York are Jews and Christians and Muslims, and we always have been. And above all of that, we are Americans, each with an equal right to worship and pray where we choose."

When the mayor finished speaking, the largely Muslim audience of nearly 100, including leading organizers of the proposed mosque, rose to their feet and applauded. Guests were dining on hummus, tomato soup and lamb kebab.

"Mayor Bloomberg's speech embodied the values and the mores that we as Muslim Americans live and cherish," said Sharif El-Gamal, the center's developer.

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“Bloomberg's speech is what makes America great. He gains nothing politically from this. He is clearly speaking from his beliefs which are right on: NYC (where I work) and NY (where I live) is where people of all faiths and backgrounds are welcome. The opportunity in NYC is what has made America and that city great and strong for 160 years. ”
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Daisy Khan, wife of the imam and one of the lead organizers, said, "I was almost in tears."

Across the street from Gracie Mansion, protester Marion D.S. Dreyfus, said she was deeply disappointed with Mr. Bloomberg for supporting the mosque and sponsoring the dinner.

"There is no responsibility of a Jewish mayor of a largely Jewish town to give an Iftar dinner," said Ms. Dreyfus, a college teacher. "The fact that he is says again that he is sticking a stick in our eye."

Another protester, Andrew Upton of the Bronx, said, "If the Muslim community in New York was really respectful, they would not push this mosque down at Ground Zero. And if they're not respectful…we shouldn't just sort of suck it up and say, 'Come on over and have dinner with us.' "

cambaby

Cant wait for civil war, time to rid this country of some shit.

Slutboat

man this is just embarassing, I'm really sorry to the rest of the world that we have Americans like him...but try not to be too hard on him, he's probably never left the small town he grew up in...

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Far-L

Do you wear Nazi SS regalia when you right this stuff? Go find a picture of Sarah Palin to jerk off to and find another place to bring your annoying political drivel to people that might care what you are ranting about. You are the kind of pathetic little sieg heil jackbooter pretending to be a "good ameriKKKan" that gives good Christians a bad name.

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