it's taking the rates back to a realistic rate... think of it like this: when everyone has an apple tree why are apples so expensive? when all the shooters and agents hit town the rates were artificially inflated. now they are going back to normal.

very cool... love to see folks get great wedding pics... chance of a lifetime etc..

lots of good shooters available Dave... don't expect you'll have any issues at all getting solid content. :2 cents:

Have any of you guys been keeping up with the insanity in California pertaining to the govt. getting ready to REALLY start "regulating" your shoots?

Not only are they talking condom use...but now they are talking about "employee" insurance for the girls AND a "Safety Instuction" manual that will have to be signed on location. AND they are talking about having inspectors come to your shoots to make sure that it is "safe".

The govt. of California is looking to put you guys out of business. :(

Been following it on a couple of big threads over at Xbiz , and I'm just astounded at the idiocy of the govt. there.

If you are shooting in California and any of these new rules go into effect, you guys are screwed.

I did the wedding DJ thing yikes :D was ok sometimes but it can really suck.

we will move the biz to mexico.

Exactly...oceanside.

move to europe

Whatever happened to the content producer with the large green watermark across the photos? That was horrible stuff. Didn't he end up in prison or something along those lines?

hehe - we were only booked when they wanted rock music - up to stuff like Metallica. so only the first 1-2 hours were a bit awkward till the grandparents fainted and the rest was drunk enough :1orglaugh

some of those weddings were really remarkable :pimp

hummmm... oceanside is in cally last I checked

Bro, the ocean...just like the porn biz, goes beyond California...:1orglaugh

I was thinking we all go to Cancun, or better yet....out of Mexico and onto a tropical island. The Bahamas or Jamaica sound fun!

Or we could all go to Europe...

Just anywhere with a little freedom would be nice!

i know this place is not as exiting as Vegas but you are always welcome here :winkwink:

and you will like this:

I don't use alcohol or drugs. this is my home and where I work... I'm a sex shooter, if I need to move I'll go somewhere close where the agents can supply the girls. mexico is closer than AZ or NV... the fags are trying just as hard to shut FL down as well. we will probabaly all set up in SD and work in TJ just across the border.

well, i don't use drugs either, that one was just for Robbie ;)

but setting up shop in Mexico doesn't sound very promising either, most things i hear about that place recently are drugs and murder. i could imagine that when the mexicans realize that money can be made that way they might want a share. and it sounds like they don't accept a no

We did a lot of shopping when my daughter got married. No one came close to $50k, I don't think anyone we talked to even asked five figures.

You must be talking about a Chelsea Clinton wedding.

Too bad I don't smoke pot or shoot heroin. :1orglaugh
I'd sure love to visit that part of Europe though.

yup for the kinda people that wear $1000 wingtips... there's a market for everything I suppose

Rates have been reduced over here for months now.

Robbie I am one of twelve people on the subcommittee and the policy we come up with has to be effective as the NATIONWIDE policy.

I can assure you that anyone who thinks they will be able to produce content, ANYWHERE in the United States that does not follow this policy is sadly mistaken.

Call me and I will fill you in what is really going on, no one else on this board, or any other board is on the subcommittee.

You can count me in for Cancun. :)

If you're looking around for quotes, you're not likely to run into this end of the market. It's all done on recommendation. They don't advertise in Yellow Pages. :winkwink:

Yes it's a rich crowd. The kind of people who go to a wedding planner, church, dress which can cost $5,000, outfits for the bridesmaid, best man, ushers, big reception for 100s, cars, flowers, etc. Even over night hotel stays for some guests. It mounts up fast. This end of the market will and do pay $3,000 and up for a good shooter. Stills and video, arranging lights, getting the sound right, etc. All costs money.

Then there's the "afters" for the shooter. Copies of the prints or video. Nice earner.

The nationalities where it's customary to give the bride and groom money instead of presents. Go for this end if they can afford it. My aunt married a Greek Cypriot and they spent $40,00, according to my father. Big Greek Orthodox church in London, Hotel reception in Central London for what must of been 300 people plus. They walked away with a profit.

About 1975. It was before my first daughter was born in 1977. Shudder to think what it would cost today.

They were dressmakers and invited every single person they knew. Family, friends, business acquaintances. Anyone who would give money and not wanting to be seen pinning a $50 bill to the brides dress. :1orglaugh

Will the law, if it is, apply to American citizens?

If so moving to the moon won't make them exempt.

If it does, good news for us non US citizens. I might pick up a camera again. :1orglaugh

#1. Naturally, photographers, DJ's and catering were all shopped by recommendation.

#2. $3,000 for a shooter is a far cry from $50k

I'd be real interested in finding out how a subcommittee in California is going to tell me how to do business. Or a guy shooting in tennessee, or texas or anywhere for that matter. I'll ignore it just like everybody that is sane will. I don't know what's gotten into the govt. in California, but they are out of their minds. You know I'm your friend Dan....but I have no intention on doing what your subcommittee tells me to do. And I assure you I WILL produce content.

OSHA is fed I belive...

http://www.osha.gov/

you can shoot what ever you want and just pay all the fines I guess until they lock you up :2 cents:

you, and I bet your shoes are a far cry from $1,000 as well. face it. you are playing in the wrong leauge home bro :2 cents:

Watch me brother...I won't get fined one time. And I won't get locked up either. And neither will the thousands of other independent websites shooting content all over the country everyday. L.A. producers don't realize how big this business really is. You're just a handful of guys who are local to AVN and XBiz so that area gets all the press. Reality is more people actually SEE the content that is being shot outside of porn valley. Some of these sites shot outside of Porn Valley get HUGE traffic and sales.

And if OSHA wants to come to my house and tell me what I can and can't do when shooting video and pics of my own wife...good fucking luck to them.

It ain't gonna work.

And it won't work on Rachel Aziani, and it won't work on Kelly Madison, and it won't work on Celeste Fox, and it won't work on Brittany Love, and it won't work on Brandi Love and it won't work...I can keep going and going.

We will continue to shoot and produce as we please. The people getting hurt by this kind of insanity are the same ones getting destroyed by piracy...porn studios shooting the same pack of stripper/escort/porn girls out of porn valley for generic porn sites.

Don't get me wrong...I love those girls and their work. But they are all over the place for free which has already decreased production out there. And now the govt.. wants to jump on you with this craziness? Just saying, you guys are in for a lot of headaches. I'm glad I'm not in your shoes.

hey I'm with you on this, it's just that I shoot in LA and I gotta deal with the agency bullshit etc... if the clients need me to move to SD and shoot in TJ, that's what I'm gonna do.... now get this: I AM OFFICIALLY AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE NOW. if the homos are gonnna wreck my livelyhood I sure ain't gonna do them any favours :2 cents:

I think he was talking about a price of from and too. Not everyone charging $50K

I'm thinking that TJ could become a big spot for shooting. Just like it is now a big spot for medical procedures and boob jobs.

I'm guessing you're following the news as these "rules and regulations" are getting schemed up there...what's your general "gut" feeling? Do you think they are really gonna have condoms and goggles on people in a scene to prevent bodily fluids from being exchanged?

I'm just shocked that with the economy falling to pieces...that California is actually trying to destroy one of the little things it has left.

And again...if this goes through, all the girls in L.A. are gonna do is just escort a little more and dance an extra night at the club. Shooting porn is only to get higher prices for themselves dancing and hooking anyway. It's all synergistic for them to make more money in the "real world".

Nothing will change, except Los Angeles won't be making a nice chunk of tax money that it currently does make. The girls will just replace their lost income with tax free cash money from dancing and hooking. And production of porn scenes will simply move to another area.

It's just insanity. It's like California has a financial death wish or something.

Just like some digital wedding photographers today who charge over $100,000 per wedding! That's correct. Over $100,000 per wedding and their work from a technical standpoint looks like it was shot by a slide film photographer about 10 years ago!

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Photography-694/

well the California and Los Angeles politicians are well know for stupid beviours... so yes, actually they are ready to push a billion dollar industry out of the area,. I noticed you didn't quote my stand on homo unions.... how liberal of you. just remember it's the mo's that started this whole nasty attack on the industry and continue to push the agenda, here and in FL on a daily basis. if you wanna bend over and do stuff for them, be my guest. we as an indusrty should return the favour :2 cents:

i don't think the financial aspect matters to the religious nutjobs

Nah not political correctness....I was just quoting the relevant part that mattered to me. I also know it's the damn Pink Cross Foundation that started a lot of this bullshit. And I see AVN selling them a fucking booth at the AEE every year. It's ridiculous.

Our "industry" has much bigger opponents than "homos". Gay production will be hurt even more by these insane regulations. Especially the new ones that would require you to buy insurance against "injuries" which Michael Fatarosi is already saying could be things like anal prolapse.

Well, gay guys do anal in every scene. So these California rules and regulations affect them just as much if not more.

This has nothing to do with homosexuality, and everything to do with religious insane people looking to put you out of business in California.

But if you want to hate gay people...be my guest. I don't.

no hate, in fact not even any interest. it's just straight politics Robbie... you want something from me, give me something. you want my vote, lay off my job

hey ma, hit me with an email pls.... sell at bmbhome dot com

hit me up will ya: sell at bmbhome dot com

check your mail :thumbsup

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