President Clinton: We should all listen to the tea party movement

[Vendzilla]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot...party-movement

I didn't see this coming, interesting take from a democrat.

[TheDoc]

Hehe, she asked the question and this is what he says nice about them?

"Their is a lot of real people in this tea party movement who is saying something everyone should hear..."

Did you listen to the video? He doesn't think the tea party is on, he answer the question without starting with a bash.

[Pics Traffic]

Good news.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Hehe, she asked the question and this is what he says nice about them?

"Their is a lot of real people in this tea party movement who is saying something everyone should hear..."

Did you listen to the video? He doesn't think the tea party is on, he answer the question without starting with a bash.

thats not what I got from it, I got from it that the democrats need to listen and come up with answers and not run on blame, apathy and anger, no one wins

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

thats not what I got from it, I got from it that the democrats need to listen and come up with answers and not run on blame, apathy and anger, no one wins

i don't follow american politics on an everyday basis, but this seems to be an odd perception of reality

[Amputate Your Head]

like sands through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives.

[CaptainHowdy]

[BittieBucks Eric]

President????

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by BittieBucks Eric

President????

In America, we address all presidents, sitting and past, as President. Vendzilla knows Clinton is not the sitting president.

I don't think someone needs to be a member of whatever the Tea Party is in order to see that average Americans are not doing as well as they should in the current economy. Clinton's opinion is that needs to be addressed. He feels the way to go involves an emphasis on small business (that's most people on GFY), manufacturing, and green jobs and perhaps targeted education. I know people are politically polarized to a silly degree these days, but how can the general idea that repairing the fiscal realities of the average American should be the political battleground (as opposed to apathy vs. anger) be controversial?

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

come up with answers and not run on blame, apathy and anger, no one wins

the very definition of irony - blame, apathy, and anger is the tea party policy platform.

but, it's true, the dems should study the teabaggers VERY closely, and understand what they are all about and how the phenomenon works.

but, the dems won't.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

In America, we address all presidents, sitting and past, as President. Vendzilla knows Clinton is not the sitting president.

I don't think someone needs to be a member of whatever the Tea Party is in order to see that average Americans are not doing as well as they should in the current economy. Clinton's opinion is that needs to be addressed. He feels the way to go involves an emphasis on small business (that's most people on GFY), manufacturing, and green jobs and perhaps targeted education. I know people are politically polarized to a silly degree these days, but how can the general idea that repairing the fiscal realities of the average American should be the political battleground (as opposed to apathy vs. anger) be controversial?

Clinton appears to be in favor of willing compliance, whereas the current set of players seem not to care about the willing part much.

both lead to the same inevitable conclusion. it is merely a difference of philosophy. (or rather, a different tactic within the same strategy.)

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bill8

the very definition of irony - blame, apathy, and anger is the tea party policy platform.

but, it's true, the dems should study the teabaggers VERY closely, and understand what they are all about and how the phenomenon works.

but, the dems won't.

Way to pick and choose, the Democrats are running on blame, the Tea Party is Angry, or didn't you get the memo

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Clinton appears to be in favor of willing compliance, whereas the current set of players seem not to care about the willing part much.

both lead to the same inevitable conclusion. it is merely a difference of philosophy. (or rather, a different tactic within the same strategy.)

I think Clinton's interview answer was about his opinion that his party should be coming to the same conclusion as the tea party folks and have people vote on methodology and likelihood of actually do something and, I think, as you said, philosophy.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by willing compliance?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

In America, we address all presidents, sitting and past, as President. Vendzilla knows Clinton is not the sitting president.

I don't think someone needs to be a member of whatever the Tea Party is in order to see that average Americans are not doing as well as they should in the current economy. Clinton's opinion is that needs to be addressed. He feels the way to go involves an emphasis on small business (that's most people on GFY), manufacturing, and green jobs and perhaps targeted education. I know people are politically polarized to a silly degree these days, but how can the general idea that repairing the fiscal realities of the average American should be the political battleground (as opposed to apathy vs. anger) be controversial?

We get a lot of promises, but no action. They spend a lot of money, but no one watches where it goes, they pass a healthcare bill that takes over a major portion of the economy, but never bother to read it. Obama waits till congress is on vacation to appoint someone to run medicare and medicaid, which I think was cowardly, given the guys background and his spread the wealth ideals. We still have 50k troops in Iraq and unemployment is at 9.6% , this after 4 years of democratic control of the house and senate and it just seems to get worse.
This shouldn't be about Left VS Right, Democrats vs GOP, it should be about common sense and getting back to the basics which made the US stand out from the rest of the world

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I think Clinton's interview answer was about his opinion that his party should be coming to the same conclusion as the tea party folks and have people vote on methodology and likelihood of actually do something and, I think, as you said, philosophy.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by willing compliance?

willing compliance by the masses.

Clinton prefers them (us) to be fat, entertained & docile. No drama. Work your jobs, pay your taxes, drink beer, watch tv, complain about anything & everything, etc.... but generally not too uncomfortable, earning acceptable pay, everything's nice & cozy. Willing compliance to the system.

versus...

the aggressiveness of driving the masses (us again) into destitution, desperation, hunger, cold, and out of options & opportunity. Simply put, cold hard compliance. (or complete non-participation any more, i.e. living in a box.)

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

This shouldn't be about Left VS Right, Democrats vs GOP, it should be about common sense and getting back to the basics which made the US stand out from the rest of the world

thats the only smart thing you said in this thread...

lets close it while you are ahead...





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[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

willing compliance by the masses.

Clinton prefers them (us) to be fat, entertained & docile. No drama. Work your jobs, pay your taxes, drink beer, watch tv, complain about anything & everything, etc.... but generally not too uncomfortable, earning acceptable pay, everything's nice & cozy. Willing compliance to the system.

versus...

the aggressiveness of driving the masses (us again) into destitution, desperation, hunger, cold, and out of options & opportunity. Simply put, cold hard compliance. (or complete non-participation any more, i.e. living in a box.)

Ah, that makes sense. There are some Illuminati somewhere who need to read the memo that they've been plunging the tables a bit unsustainably hard. They can push pretty hard and still have people be docile, but, if media (internet, radio, television, demonstrations) buzz is anything to go on, the natives are restless.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Way to pick and choose, the Democrats are running on blame, the Tea Party is Angry, or didn't you get the memo

you are not thinking clearly.

and are apathetic about attempting to think clearly.

this isn't entirely your fault, apathy about thinking is the american way.

clearly the dem leadership is apathetic - nor are they thinking clearly.

ironic that there is plenty of apathy to go around.

and anger will only dig us deeper into the pit of corporatacracy.

too bad for us.

added - I misspoke, I meant, "anger _without clear thinking_ will only dig us deeper into the pit of corporatacracy.".

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Ah, that makes sense. There are some Illuminati somewhere who need to read the memo that they've been plunging the tables a bit unsustainably hard. They can push pretty hard and still have people be docile, but, if media (internet, radio, television, demonstrations) buzz is anything to go on, the natives are restless.

my guess is that one of them has a $1 dollar bet with another one to see how far past the threshold they can push us.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

my guess is that one of them has a $1 dollar bet with another one to see how far past the threshold they can push us.

Trading Places reference?

[NaughtyRob]

Politics... blah.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Trading Places reference?

not intentionally, but i'll take it.

[IllTestYourGirls]

The democrat here in New Hampshire is running as a "fiscal conservative" . Hes not going to win, but it is interesting his the way he is framing his platform.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

The democrat here in New Hampshire is running as a "fiscal conservative" . Hes not going to win, but it is interesting his the way he is framing his platform.

Anything to get in... You guys need to have some recall ability for all the ones that lie to get in so you can yank the bastards out.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bill8

you are not thinking clearly.

and are apathetic about attempting to think clearly.

this isn't entirely your fault, apathy about thinking is the american way.

clearly the dem leadership is apathetic - nor are they thinking clearly.

ironic that there is plenty of apathy to go around.

and anger will only dig us deeper into the pit of corporatacracy.

too bad for us.

added - I misspoke, I meant, "anger _without clear thinking_ will only dig us deeper into the pit of corporatacracy.".

LOL, ok, I'll bite, where am I thinking wrong?
The democrats have been running on the blame Bush for all the problems, yet they've been in office for 4 years most of them. They passed the biggest piece of legislation ever conceived in the health care bill, but they aren't celebrating it, They aren't celebrating any of their accomplishments, why? Please answer this

I'm pretty sure the Tea Party is pissed

Pretty clear thinking, I haven't smoked anything yet today

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Anything to get in... You guys need to have some recall ability for all the ones that lie to get in so you can yank the bastards out.

We use to, until the progressives came in and amended the constitution to make things a popular vote. We need to go back to when our State Senate picked the senator. This way the Senator looks out for the interest of the state because they can be recalled more easily if they do not. It is the fastest way to get the lobbyists out of Washington.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

The democrat here in New Hampshire is running as a "fiscal conservative" . Hes not going to win, but it is interesting his the way he is framing his platform.

There use to be conservative democrats

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

We use to, until the progressives came in and amended the constitution to make things a popular vote. We need to go back to when our State Senate picked the senator. This way the Senator looks out for the interest of the state because they can be recalled more easily if they do not. It is the fastest way to get the lobbyists out of Washington.

it also wouldn't hurt to limit compensation for government officials.
i fail to see why they need be compensated any more than a modest living wage.
eliminate the money = eliminate the problem.
for the time being, make it a crime for government officials to accept money from lobbyists of any kind.

eliminate the central bank.

restore the true wealth to the people.

and start working on putting a system in place that actually has a future.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

LOL, ok, I'll bite, where am I thinking wrong?
The democrats have been running on the blame Bush for all the problems, yet they've been in office for 4 years most of them. They passed the biggest piece of legislation ever conceived in the health care bill, but they aren't celebrating it, They aren't celebrating any of their accomplishments, why? Please answer this

where you are not thinking clearly is your analysis and understanding of root causes.

it's true, the dems are doing nothing. they are not allowed to, the corporations are in control, thru their control of the media and election money and in hundreds of other ways.

this corporate control is compounded by resource depletion, a neglected infrastructure and a fake economy, which inevitably makes our daily life worse.

when your side takes power again, which it inevitably will, your side will also do nothing, because, like bush and clinton and bush and reagan before them, the corporations have all the real power, they own and operate the government, and they will not allow your side to do anything substantive.

the tea party is being manipulated to defend the rich elites who are using it.

the liberal elites are just as bad, and arguably worse because they pretend to be on the side of the lower-middle classes, and I look forward to their comeuppance. I hope your side tars and feathers those corrupt crooks.

but when you do, it will change nothing, becuase your side does not understand what is happening, and you will be used, ARE being used, just as the obamanuts were to further the corporatacracy.

the tragedy is that the lower and lower-middle class boomers that are the core of your movement are so ill-prepared to think clearly that you will end up making things much worse. and you will have only one tool left - violence.

we americans deserve the violence you will unleash.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Bill8

where you are not thinking clearly is your analysis and understanding of root causes.

it's true, the dems are doing nothing. they are not allowed to, the corporations are in control, thru their control of the media and election money and in hundreds of other ways.

this corporate control is compounded by resource depletion, a neglected infrastructure and a fake economy, which inevitably makes our daily life worse.

when your side takes power again, which it inevitably will, your side will also do nothing, because, like bush and clinton and bush and reagan before them, the corporations have all the real power, they own and operate the government, and they will not allow your side to do anything substantive.

the tea party is being manipulated to defend the rich elites who are using it.

the liberal elites are just as bad, and arguably worse because they pretend to be on the side of the lower-middle classes, and I look forward to their comeuppance. I hope your side tars and feathers those corrupt crooks.

but when you do, it will change nothing, becuase your side does not understand what is happening, and you will be used, ARE being used, just as the obamanuts were to further the corporatacracy.

the tragedy is that the lower and lower-middle class boomers that are the core of your movement are so ill-prepared to think clearly that you will end up making things much worse. and you will have only one tool left - violence.

we americans deserve the violence you will unleash.

i would add that our masters are not opposed to violence either.
even on that scale.

they welcome it.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bill8

where you are not thinking clearly is your analysis and understanding of root causes.

it's true, the dems are doing nothing. they are not allowed to, the corporations are in control, thru their control of the media and election money and in hundreds of other ways.

this corporate control is compounded by resource depletion, a neglected infrastructure and a fake economy, which inevitably makes our daily life worse.

when your side takes power again, which it inevitably will, your side will also do nothing, because, like bush and clinton and bush and reagan before them, the corporations have all the real power, they own and operate the government, and they will not allow your side to do anything substantive.

the tea party is being manipulated to defend the rich elites who are using it.

the liberal elites are just as bad, and arguably worse because they pretend to be on the side of the lower-middle classes, and I look forward to their comeuppance. I hope your side tars and feathers those corrupt crooks.

but when you do, it will change nothing, becuase your side does not understand what is happening, and you will be used, ARE being used, just as the obamanuts were to further the corporatacracy.

the tragedy is that the lower and lower-middle class boomers that are the core of your movement are so ill-prepared to think clearly that you will end up making things much worse. and you will have only one tool left - violence.

we americans deserve the violence you will unleash.

I think you're the one that's not getting it, business as usual is what's pissing off everyone and when it doesn't stop, the politicians will loose their jobs, people are finding out after what happened with the healthcare bill that the politicians are not the ones that write it, it's something that's got to change. When the GOP backs their incumbent and that incumbent looses in a primary to a Tea Party backed one, you don't see the significance of that, the GOP sees it and the democrats are finally seeing it, they should have seen it when Brown took office.
This kind of participacion could unhinge the power of the special interest groups if given the chance, when this many people get involved , it's a good thing

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

i would add that our masters are not opposed to violence either.
even on that scale.

they welcome it.

true. tho they have been content to make their hundreds of billions killing ragheads and the like.

however, I was not referring to the violence managed for the masters profit - but to the the civil violence that will occur when the disenfranchised boomers of the lower-middle class, the tea party base, don't get any benefit from the powershift.

that class of people was disproportionately punished by the american choice to use third world workers to make our consumer products.

they will realize nothing has changed, the debt has not magically dissappeared, the infrastructure is still decaying, and the corporations have no reason to give them jobs the chinese will do cheaper and better - and they will have no option left but the civil violence they constantly threaten.

and they are massive pussies at heart, they dont have the balls to fight the corporations and the government.

anyway, we will see what happens. maybe the horse will fly.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think you're the one that's not getting it, business as usual is what's pissing off everyone and when it doesn't stop, the politicians will loose their jobs, people are finding out after what happened with the healthcare bill that the politicians are not the ones that write it, it's something that's got to change. When the GOP backs their incumbent and that incumbent looses in a primary to a Tea Party backed one, you don't see the significance of that, the GOP sees it and the democrats are finally seeing it, they should have seen it when Brown took office.
This kind of participacion could unhinge the power of the special interest groups if given the chance, when this many people get involved , it's a good thing

they are guardians of the exact same system.

if they aspire to power, they are no different.
if they do not, they will be crushed & defeated publicly as an example.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think you're the one that's not getting it, business as usual is what's pissing off everyone and when it doesn't stop, the politicians will loose their jobs, people are finding out after what happened with the healthcare bill that the politicians are not the ones that write it, it's something that's got to change. When the GOP backs their incumbent and that incumbent looses in a primary to a Tea Party backed one, you don't see the significance of that, the GOP sees it and the democrats are finally seeing it, they should have seen it when Brown took office.
This kind of participacion could unhinge the power of the special interest groups if given the chance, when this many people get involved , it's a good thing

we will see.

since you yourself personally never mention root causes, and rarely display your own original thinking, and typically just repeat the canned talking points given you by your media masters, I sincerely doubt that your side is thinking clearly.

I know my side is corrupt, you appear to believe your side is not.

that does not bode well.

however, if your side can destroy some of the "business as usual", good.

your side never did before, and your side was in power the majority of the last 30 years, but who knows, maybe the horse will fly.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bill8

we will see.

since you yourself personally never mention root causes, and rarely display your own original thinking, and typically just repeat the canned talking points given you by your media masters, I sincerely doubt that your side is thinking clearly.

I know my side is corrupt, you appear to believe your side is not.

that does not bode well.

however, if your side can destroy some of the "business as usual", good.

your side never did before, and your side was in power the majority of the last 30 years, but who knows, maybe the horse will fly.

I don't have a side, or I should say my side is the side of the American people. I played the GOP game and got sickened over it during the Bush years, I vote independently now.
I believe all politicians are corrupt and change needs to happen and will only happen if people revolt, that's why I've been watching the Tea Party and like what I see. People are afraid of their candidates saying they're too right, well that's to be expected when we've been fucked over by those that are too left.
Right now Palin has more political pull for new candidates than the President and she quit her job, that in itself should tell you about the state of the nation.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Bill8

true. tho they have been content to make their hundreds of billions killing ragheads and the like.

however, I was not referring to the violence managed for the masters profit - but to the the civil violence that will occur when the disenfranchised boomers of the lower-middle class, the tea party base, don't get any benefit from the powershift.

that class of people was disproportionately punished by the american choice to use third world workers to make our consumer products.

they will realize nothing has changed, the debt has not magically dissappeared, the infrastructure is still decaying, and the corporations have no reason to give them jobs the chinese will do cheaper and better - and they will have no option left but the civil violence they constantly threaten.

and they are massive pussies at heart, they dont have the balls to fight the corporations and the government.

anyway, we will see what happens. maybe the horse will fly.

what if they are provoking civil war?
i'm trying to find a reason why the baggers have not yet been entirely crushed.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I don't have a side, or I should say my side is the side of the American people. I played the GOP game and got sickened over it during the Bush years, I vote independently now.
I believe all politicians are corrupt and change needs to happen and will only happen if people revolt, that's why I've been watching the Tea Party and like what I see. People are afraid of their candidates saying they're too right, well that's to be expected when we've been fucked over by those that are too left.
Right now Palin has more political pull for new candidates than the President and she quit her job, that in itself should tell you about the state of the nation.

nothing short of complete system failure will open a window of opportunity to affect any real change.

the system must fail. and it will, as it is unsustainable, but will it fail in time to save ourselves.... that is the question.

[GregE]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think you're the one that's not getting it, business as usual is what's pissing off everyone and when it doesn't stop, the politicians will loose their jobs, people are finding out after what happened with the healthcare bill that the politicians are not the ones that write it, it's something that's got to change. When the GOP backs their incumbent and that incumbent looses in a primary to a Tea Party backed one, you don't see the significance of that, the GOP sees it and the democrats are finally seeing it, they should have seen it when Brown took office.
This kind of participacion could unhinge the power of the special interest groups if given the chance, when this many people get involved , it's a good thing

I'm down with throwing the bums out.

We need to do it and we to keep doing so until the corporatists (of both parties) no longer command a majority in congress.

Thing is, electing the loons and christian jihadists that comprise the bulk of the tea party ain't the solution.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

what if they are provoking civil war?

they are, or more accurately, I think they are.

they have perfected using divide and conquer strategies, and they believe the baggers are so stupid that they can use them as a private militia.

they are probably right. as long as the baggers cannot see root causes, they will be more than happy to avoid the gated communities in their violence.

it would be a convienient way for the masters to thin down the middle and upper middle classes. those serfs are no longer needed, why keep them around.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Bill8

they are, or more accurately, I think they are.

they have perfected using divide and conquer strategies, and they believe the baggers are so stupid that they can use them as a private militia.

they are probably right. as long as the baggers cannot see root causes, they will be more than happy to avoid the gated communities in their violence.

it would be a convienient way for the masters to thin down the middle and upper middle classes. those serfs are no longer needed, why keep them around.

agreed.
yeah, they are probably right.

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I don't have a side, or I should say my side is the side of the American people. I played the GOP game and got sickened over it during the Bush years, I vote independently now.

if you don't have a side, why do you always repeat the media talking points of the teapublicans?

what is your own personal political philosphy?

you can start by spelling out in a bit of detail what you think whomever it is that you do affilaite yourself with can actually DO, once they have won elections.

policy and actual legislation is a good place to start. if you affiliate with the tea party, spell out specifically what they will do.

if you start by repeating talking points, then we will know everything we need to know about you and your independence.

the nature of talking points is that they contain no substance that can be debated, they are emotional, not technical.

[jesse_adultdatingdollars]

I miss Bill!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Bill8

if you don't have a side, why do you always repeat the media talking points of the teapublicans?

what is your own personal political philosphy?

you can start by spelling out in a bit of detail what you think whomever it is that you do affilaite yourself with can actually DO, once they have won elections.

policy and actual legislation is a good place to start. if you affiliate with the tea party, spell out specifically what they will do.

if you start by repeating talking points, then we will know everything we need to know about you and your independence.

the nature of talking points is that they contain no substance that can be debated, they are emotional, not technical.

I never liked Obama, but I have never trusted a lawyer and being a good speaker and promising the world of change, I knew he couldn't deliver, and well, he didn't. And I hate the way he polarizes the parties, when the GOP asked about the stimulus, they got this
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17862.html

I believe our trade should be balanced, we consume more than we export and that needs to change, Harley Davidson was having trouble keeping up with the new big bikes of Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki, so congress levied a import tax on bikes over 700cc's. Harley had them remove it before the scheduled date because they prospered. Learn from history.

Taxing the rich is BullShit, learn from reading about that during the great depression, it didn't work, Nor do passing huge spending bills and not caring where the money goes.

You want to come to this country? What do you have to offer to make this a better place to live? Thats what a lot of countries are doing now, we should do the same.

Separation of church and state. We have religious freedom in this country, so what religion would we follow? Sharia law is not something I would want. I like getting stoned with a woman, but that's nuts.

Wars, don't need to defend some desert, unless we get something in return for it. That doesn't mean a new strategic base.

And the economy, in what level of incompetence does it make sense to waste a year passing a new bill that no one reads that's written by people that are not elected that doesn't get any support but from one party? And doing all this during a recession when the unemployment rate is hovering around 10%? And politicians should be more worried about making things work with what we have instead of thinking up a new tax for their short falls.

Gay marriage, Abortion, gun rights and every other social issues should be set aside till we get things running right in this country. That Mosque should be built somewhere else, the top 2 floors were distroyed during the 9/11 attacks by landing gear from the aircraft hitting, how fucking close is that? The Kuran teaches it's people to be better than that, so don't give me that shit this is anything but something to piss people off.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I never liked Obama, but I have never trusted a lawyer and being a good speaker and promising the world of change, I knew he couldn't deliver, and well, he didn't. And I hate the way he polarizes the parties, when the GOP asked about the stimulus, they got this
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17862.html

I believe our trade should be balanced, we consume more than we export and that needs to change, Harley Davidson was having trouble keeping up with the new big bikes of Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki, so congress levied a import tax on bikes over 700cc's. Harley had them remove it before the scheduled date because they prospered. Learn from history.

Taxing the rich is BullShit, learn from reading about that during the great depression, it didn't work, Nor do passing huge spending bills and not caring where the money goes.

You want to come to this country? What do you have to offer to make this a better place to live? Thats what a lot of countries are doing now, we should do the same.

Separation of church and state. We have religious freedom in this country, so what religion would we follow? Sharia law is not something I would want. I like getting stoned with a woman, but that's nuts.

Wars, don't need to defend some desert, unless we get something in return for it. That doesn't mean a new strategic base.

And the economy, in what level of incompetence does it make sense to waste a year passing a new bill that no one reads that's written by people that are not elected that doesn't get any support but from one party? And doing all this during a recession when the unemployment rate is hovering around 10%? And politicians should be more worried about making things work with what we have instead of thinking up a new tax for their short falls.

Gay marriage, Abortion, gun rights and every other social issues should be set aside till we get things running right in this country. That Mosque should be built somewhere else, the top 2 floors were distroyed during the 9/11 attacks by landing gear from the aircraft hitting, how fucking close is that? The Kuran teaches it's people to be better than that, so don't give me that shit this is anything but something to piss people off.

separation of church and state is not possible. they are the same.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

separation of church and state is not possible. they are the same.

The U.S. Supreme Court has currently interpreted it since 1947, to mean that religion and government must stay separate for the benefit of both, including the idea that the government must not impose religion on Americans nor create any law requiring it. It has since been in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court, though the Court has not always fully embraced the principle

[Bill8]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I never liked Obama, but I have never trusted a lawyer and being a good speaker and promising the world of change, I knew he couldn't deliver, and well, he didn't. And I hate the way he polarizes the parties, when the GOP asked about the stimulus, they got this
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17862.html

I believe our trade should be balanced, we consume more than we export and that needs to change, Harley Davidson was having trouble keeping up with the new big bikes of Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki, so congress levied a import tax on bikes over 700cc's. Harley had them remove it before the scheduled date because they prospered. Learn from history.

Taxing the rich is BullShit, learn from reading about that during the great depression, it didn't work, Nor do passing huge spending bills and not caring where the money goes.

You want to come to this country? What do you have to offer to make this a better place to live? Thats what a lot of countries are doing now, we should do the same.

Separation of church and state. We have religious freedom in this country, so what religion would we follow? Sharia law is not something I would want. I like getting stoned with a woman, but that's nuts.

Wars, don't need to defend some desert, unless we get something in return for it. That doesn't mean a new strategic base.

And the economy, in what level of incompetence does it make sense to waste a year passing a new bill that no one reads that's written by people that are not elected that doesn't get any support but from one party? And doing all this during a recession when the unemployment rate is hovering around 10%? And politicians should be more worried about making things work with what we have instead of thinking up a new tax for their short falls.

Gay marriage, Abortion, gun rights and every other social issues should be set aside till we get things running right in this country. That Mosque should be built somewhere else, the top 2 floors were distroyed during the 9/11 attacks by landing gear from the aircraft hitting, how fucking close is that? The Kuran teaches it's people to be better than that, so don't give me that shit this is anything but something to piss people off.

dude, sorry, but these are all talking points.

I'll accept the possibility that you didn't understand the question, or were avoiding it and trying to state your personal philosophy, which, uncannily enough, is a word for word repetition of fox news talking points.

let me restate the problem.

le's say your tea party is now in power.

what laws do you pass to make things better?

how do you get them passed?

this is the parameters of the problem - what laws do you pass? what do you do with the budget? how do you keep the corporations from doing to you what they have done to every branch of government for 30 years?

what will you actually do? what are your priorities?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

thats the only smart thing you said in this thread...

lets close it while you are ahead...





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[_Richard_]

thanks for posting this

[tiger]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot...party-movement

I didn't see this coming, interesting take from a democrat.

On the point of the tea party being upset about working class people not doing well I bet you would get about 90-95% of democrats agreeing with them, I'm not sure why that surprises you.

[buzzard]

What happened to the constitution? The Taxed Enough Already party is a little closer to the 'promised' change.
Wonder why it seems so drastic to follow the constitution?
Is it because you are scared to make it without govt in your life? ...been TV educated?

Root cause: The constitution has been trampled.
Where were you when Ron Paul was running for pres? Does not have to be Ron Paul; Any president ...simply follow the constitution.

How could you not see this state of the union coming?
Just wondering