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PR_Glen 08-16-2010 09:30 AM

as long as Gwar is around rock will live forever! :)

dan@noof 08-16-2010 10:23 AM

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garce 08-26-2010 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erooup (Post 17416586)
You got stuck in the what was, and blame your failures on those who evolve beyond your current capacity and capabilities. Just like those who complain about there not being money left in porn, because they cant make a sale on their Sblog.

Huzzah Buzzah Wuzzah? I'll put Brownie McGhee up against any Youtube wanker you care to name.

The point isn't how fast you play - that's why I made this post. Speed is irrelevant - it has nothing to do with music. Too many kids today think their nonsensial wanking id actual music. Har de har you fucking pussy.

garce 08-26-2010 11:36 PM

Guys, you're missing the point. Name one guitar player who can capture the imagination of today's music audience.

There are none. Jack White is as close as you'll get - and he's niche.

Twenty years ago, everyone and their mother knew about Jimmy Page. Ted Nugent. Brian Setser. George Thorogood. Stevie Ray Vaughn. Eddie Van Halen. The Fucking Reverend Bill G. Even Slash.

Name me one guitar player who has a hit record (mp3 - whatever) right now.

Today. List a song that is a hit today, that is made famous because of the man playing guitar.

-OR-

Post a band that is huge, who's guitar player gets all the press and glory.

You'll be going back twenty yers.

fuzebox 08-26-2010 11:46 PM

This thread is frustrating. I think people should stop complaining about the old days and accept that life changes without them.

fuzebox 08-26-2010 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17417911)
Well, I would agree with you about the first two, and Tom Morello is borderline. But again, we ARE talking "rock and roll" here.

NOT heavy metal, alternative, speed metal, death metal, grunge, etc etc etc.

ROCK and ROLL.

Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, Dave Davies

ROCK and ROLL.

This isn't "list your favorite guitarist" thread. This is "there ain't anyone as good IN ROCK AND ROLL anymore as the above mentioned" thread. Shit, Jose Felliciano could pick a mean latin acoustic guitar but AGAIN:

ROCK and ROLL.

Ok, so what is "rock and roll" then, according to you? If you won't acknowledge any modern rock bands as "ROCK and ROLL", then everything in this thread is pretty irrelevant isn't it? We might as well make a thread complaining that GM isn't making stingray corvettes anymore.

garce 08-26-2010 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17418739)
funny how similar this is to what the old farts were saying at the start of Rock and Roll

Nice try. I AM an old fart and I learned how to play from Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson, Brownie MKcGhee.

I also learned to play form Joe Walsh, Joe Perry, and Ace Frehley.

That is all irrlevant and off topic. There are no new bands who create popular music where the guitar player is the star.

Get it? The guitar player is no longer the star of the show.

That was the point. You missed it.

garce 08-27-2010 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 17445348)
This thread is frustrating. I think people should stop complaining about the old days and accept that life changes without them.

Not the point. I do not give a flying fuck about music. Go listen to all of thew lip-synced techno and house garbage you want.

I'm talking about straight ahead rock and roll music. Music that was created by real men who would pound your little "Jersey Shore" asslicking pussy face into the ground.

Your opinion is useless to this post.

Name a guitar player who's had a hit record in the last twenty years.

Rock and Roll is guitar oriented nusic. There have been no rock guitar plsyers for almost thirty years.

Rock and Roll = Guitar. Beside Jack White, name one oerson who is keeping Rock and Roll alive.

garce 08-27-2010 12:12 AM

Go ahead and link me a riff. Link me a guitar riff.

mgtarheels 08-27-2010 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garce (Post 17445363)
Not the point. I do not give a flying fuck about music. Go listen to all of thew lip-synced techno and house garbage you want.

I'm talking about straight ahead rock and roll music. Music that was created by real men who would pound your little "Jersey Shore" asslicking pussy face into the ground.

Your opinion is useless to this post.

Name a guitar player who's had a hit record in the last twenty years.

Rock and Roll is guitar oriented nusic. There have been no rock guitar plsyers for almost thirty years.

Rock and Roll = Guitar. Beside Jack White, name one oerson who is keeping Rock and Roll alive.

We already did, dick knuckle.

John Frusciante
Edge (U2)
Tom Morello
Synyster Gates
Tariqh Akoni

MarkTiarra 08-27-2010 12:21 AM

There was a time when big band and jazz was the pop music of the day. I used to wonder when the basic rock format of bass, drums, guitar, singer (and sometimes keys) would give way to a new format. I suppose it has, to some extent. I'm not sure it bothers me or not. I enjoy what I enjoy and there is still plenty of it to be had. Others enjoy what they like (be it rap - hip.hop or whatever) and they get to have fun too. What I do miss as a fan of rock, though, is bands taking chances with it. It's not popular enough to be formulaic so why not stretch out and do some things with the arrangements?

CaptainHowdy 08-27-2010 06:09 AM

This powerful statement TO THE TOP...

BlackCrayon 08-27-2010 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garce (Post 17445363)
Not the point. I do not give a flying fuck about music. Go listen to all of thew lip-synced techno and house garbage you want.

I'm talking about straight ahead rock and roll music. Music that was created by real men who would pound your little "Jersey Shore" asslicking pussy face into the ground.

Your opinion is useless to this post.

Name a guitar player who's had a hit record in the last twenty years.

Rock and Roll is guitar oriented nusic. There have been no rock guitar plsyers for almost thirty years.

Rock and Roll = Guitar. Beside Jack White, name one oerson who is keeping Rock and Roll alive.

They are out there, you won't hear them on the radio though. To most people, the idea of creating a band around 'straight ahead rock and roll' is pointless because everyone will say they are just ripping off old music. Rock music has 'evolved' beyond what was happening in the 60's-70's. I'm not saying its a good thing though as most of the stuff I love comes from that era but can it really be done in todays day and age without looking like copy-cats? Jack White seems to be able to pull it off, surprisingly but its not easy.

marcop 08-27-2010 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Riffhard (Post 17417143)
I thought it was funny and incredibly awesome how the reissue of Exile on Main Street, which was originally released 40 years ago, debuted on number 1 on the album charts a few months back. :p

I think it's funny that the music I grew up listening to is now called "Classic" rock.

Caligari 08-27-2010 07:02 AM

not only is rock guitar not dead its being learned rather well by the youngins:)
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/sto...age-with-ozzy/

10 year old shredder jams live with Ozzy...holy shit!

iSpyCams 08-27-2010 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garce (Post 17445363)
Not the point. I do not give a flying fuck about music. Go listen to all of thew lip-synced techno and house garbage you want.

I'm talking about straight ahead rock and roll music. Music that was created by real men who would pound your little "Jersey Shore" asslicking pussy face into the ground.

Your opinion is useless to this post.

Name a guitar player who's had a hit record in the last twenty years.

Rock and Roll is guitar oriented nusic. There have been no rock guitar plsyers for almost thirty years.

Rock and Roll = Guitar. Beside Jack White, name one oerson who is keeping Rock and Roll alive.

John Mayer? Got current hits and is famous for playing guitar. Can't stand him myself but if you want a current guitar hero you got one right there.

Dave Matthews?

Yeah I know I'm talking singer/songwriters here, but these are two guys that have distinguished themselves based on their guitar-playing abilities.

michael.kickass 08-27-2010 07:32 AM

After Slash I can only think of Tom Morello. I know what he does ain't exactly rock n' roll but it's the closest one that comes to mind. There's John Frusciante too but he's too much of a Hendrix imitator IMHO. Jack White is also an option, I totally agree that Rock N' Roll is dead or dying. Today's music sucks, I find myself listening all the time to bands like AC/DC, Iron Maiden or guys who've been around for 20 or 30 years already. :2 cents:

CaptainHowdy 08-27-2010 07:37 AM

Dead on...

http://www.thatscountry.com/am2/uplo...swift_8212.jpg

Tom_PM 08-27-2010 08:24 AM

Check out shintake14's youtube channel. Hey, at least you can listen to a few covers done well and with style.

CDSmith 08-27-2010 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FetishWeb (Post 17417552)
When you say "music today" you are citing the bullshit on TV and radio. Like your hopelessly boring bullshit of decades past is better than the hopelessly boring, unmusical bullshit of today. Your entire sphere of musical knowledge revolves completely around commercial music. Best of luck trying to argue your way out of that corner without making me laugh.

Really shows how completely and fully ignorant to the guitar, guitar theory, and the whole summation of music you are.

I know you'll get on your high-horse about Hendrix next but I'm not saying any popular acts from today are any better than the masturbatory boomer noisemakers from the past.

Thats the hilarious part about this banter. No mention of the truly great guitarists past/present from America or the ones of the world stage who have struggled endlessly in America for decades. Just a retarded comparison of shitty over-hyped rock guitarists to the shitty corporate machine of today.

Same shit machine, different calendar year. Same old boomers trying to hilariously convince the world that their hero's of yore are better than present day "guitar hero's" without even knowing what a real guitarist or even music sounds like.

Probably why legendary, once in a century type guitarists like Paco De Lucia would rather tend to their garden than play music anymore.


Then I guess we belong to the same generation unless you are collecting SS checks. You sure sound like a typical ignorant, idiotic boomer when it comes to music.

Possibly the saddest thing in this thread is this kind of evidence, the notion that a lot of young people today will sit around dissing classic rock eras of the 60's, 70's, 80's and beyond and sling derisiion like they're some sort of superior enlightened music afficionado yet UTTERLY FAIL to understand that without the greats of decades past you wouldn't have today whatever it is you have.

Garce is right. I've always listed to the classic stuff but have also always had my ear to rail for good new stuff, standout stuff, "future classic" stuff as it were. The train slowed to a trickle 10-15 years ago and has now all but stopped. I've been waiting to see what today's music has in store that is worthy of what came before it but sadly, it just doesn't seem to be there.

I like the odd song here or there but I couldn't tell you the name of the band in many cases much less the guitarists' name. Few stand out today. Not like the late 70's - early 80's when everyone knew who Brian May was, who Eddie was, who Angus was, Page, Clapton, Frampton, and on and on.

Music industry's fault? No doubt about it but perhaps it's a shared fault between it and this new young generation of kids who'd rather dis the older and wiser than go out and create something that stands out from the rest and is worthy of what came before it. Where are today's gods of rock? Gardening you say? How sad.

rhizome 08-27-2010 09:03 AM

100 hairy fat fucks in spandex jerking off to van halen

fuzebox 08-27-2010 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garce (Post 17445363)
Not the point. I do not give a flying fuck about music. Go listen to all of thew lip-synced techno and house garbage you want.

I'm talking about straight ahead rock and roll music. Music that was created by real men who would pound your little "Jersey Shore" asslicking pussy face into the ground.

Your opinion is useless to this post.

Name a guitar player who's had a hit record in the last twenty years.

Rock and Roll is guitar oriented nusic. There have been no rock guitar plsyers for almost thirty years.

Rock and Roll = Guitar. Beside Jack White, name one oerson who is keeping Rock and Roll alive.

Hey, I agree 100% with you. The point is, you are stuck in the era you grew up in, and won't accept that today's youth doesn't give a fuck about guitar or the music you like.

rhizome 08-27-2010 09:17 AM

If these old farts would put on their hearing aids they could appreciate lots of great rock guitar from the last 20 years that would suit their reactionary tastes, like how could this thread exist without even a mention of J Mascis?


Tom_PM 08-27-2010 09:23 AM

Yeah, make fun of old people. That solves every problem. Whats old to you anyway? 30?

rhizome 08-27-2010 09:29 AM

I'm old too, 34, but I don't advertise it by glorifying the great days of MOTR music, lol. There's a difference between being old and being stuck in a time warp, the former is irrelevant, the latter is ripe for jokes.

MarkTiarra 08-27-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rhizome (Post 17446046)
100 hairy fat fucks in spandex jerking off to van halen

As opposed to 100 anorexic boys in skinny jeans and guy liner jerking off to Fall Out Boy? Or 100 sideways hat wearing, junkyard dog chain wearing, angry wannabe gang bangers jerking off to 50 Cent?

What difference does it make? People like what they like and how can anyone say one kind of music is better than another or one musician is better than another? It's subjective. It's not a sport with specific scoring and goals. If you like it then it's good for you. I never understood people taking "sides" in a debate about music. There are no sides.

The funniest part is that the bands/artists that people get so combative about are often not so myopic in their own musical tastes. I don't know too many "rock gods" that think all modern music is just wank. Great musicians get that way by loving music in general.

chaze 08-27-2010 12:34 PM

Agreed, we where all lucky to be apart of it. I just wish I was little older to experience Led Zepplin and Rush in their prime.

rhizome 08-27-2010 12:39 PM

Fall Out Boy, junkyard dog, seriously have you been buried under a rock for the last half a decade?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 08-27-2010 12:49 PM

electro bitches!


MarkTiarra 08-27-2010 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhizome (Post 17446655)
Fall Out Boy, junkyard dog, seriously have you been buried under a rock for the last half a decade?

Oh no I made 5 year old references! I'm so sorry I have become completely outdated and irrelevant. I'll be sure to consult the top 20 I-tunes downloads next time before I post. I wouldn't want to be stuck at GFY's nerds table next time we all have lunch together.

Tom_PM 08-27-2010 01:37 PM

I saw the Moving Pictures tour (tickets were like 20 bucks back then haha). Just amazingly precise playing and great sound. Saw lots of concerts from about 1976 on up to mid 80's or so. Hell of a time to be at that age. I stopped concert going when concerts started looking like it was a rent-a-cop parade instead of a big room full of cool people.


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