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bronco67 · 08-15-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Um.. clearly you have your ready tuned to a lousy station. The guitar, especially electric guitars, is alive and well, and doing a might fine job of kicking Rap "Music" and Pop "Music"'s ass. Forget FM - buy yourself an XM or Sirrus radio and tune in to OCTANE or any of the other 5 Rock/Metal stations. You'll find out that Real Musicians are alive and well and bloody entertaining. Go buy yourself a Rob Zombie ticket while you're at it - you'll love it.

This is exactly it.

Anyone that says rock sucks isn't listening to much music. Satellite is where its at.

Also, use a LastFm or Grooveshark to find stuff for you, based on artists you already like.

rhizome · 08-15-2010, 05:10 PM

Thanks for that post FetishWeb. Lamenting rock guitar is the equivalent of lamenting the death of disco but 50 year old dudes with mullets are too cool for disco, the irony. Had a chance to catch Fred Frith recently, still going strong after 40 years. One of the great guitarists of this century, his timeless or out-of-time music will be influencing future generations of guitar players long after Slash (seriously, did the OP actually mention Slash?) has been washed away by the tides of time.

The Porn Nerd · 08-15-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rhizome

Thanks for that post FetishWeb. Lamenting rock guitar is the equivalent of lamenting the death of disco but 50 year old dudes with mullets are too cool for disco, the irony. Had a chance to catch Fred Frith recently, still going strong after 40 years. One of the great guitarists of this century, his timeless or out-of-time music will be influencing future generations of guitar players long after Slash (seriously, did the OP actually mention Slash?) has been washed away by the tides of time.

Not one guitarist today is as good as:

Pete Townshend
Stephen Stills
Jimi Hendryx
Alex Lifeson
Ritchie Blackmore
Carlos Santana

I could go on and on but what's the point. You know it's true as well as I do. I assume you have ears. But generational pride and youthful hubris makes you post in defense of noise.

Admit it, you go home, put on some Pink Floyd and jack off to David Gilmour's solo from 'Mother', now don't you?

PS: Eddie Van Halen

Overload · 08-15-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Uh

I can show you MANY "metal" bands wearing makeup, wearing nail polish, and even having dyed hair.

I'm assuming you also missed the entire 80s?

so ac/dc, the angels, metallica, judas priest were acting like women? you are an amazon on the moon! what about those (w)rappers (lol) with all their bling bling shit and rings; massive gold watches and other female accessoires? hmmm? HMM?! fact is, music of today is PURE GARBAGE - no talent, not a SINGLE black bum can play an instrument! that is FACT! just coz ppl like NOISE doesnt make it MUSIC!

Rochard · 08-15-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

Well I can sit here today and still listen to the Rock n Roll of the 70s that I grew up on and think it's the best music.

The kids of today will grow up, move on and someday look back at the music they listened to and think, WTF was I thinking

See, I was a product of the 1980s. I love my 1980s music, but I know it wasn't the best.

rhizome · 08-15-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Not one guitarist today is as good as:

Pete Townshend
Stephen Stills
Jimi Hendryx
Alex Lifeson
Ritchie Blackmore
Carlos Santana

I could go on and on but what's the point. You know it's true as well as I do. I assume you have ears. But generational pride and youthful hubris makes you post in defense of noise.

Admit it, you go home, put on some Pink Floyd and jack off to David Gilmour's solo from 'Mother', now don't you?

PS: Eddie Van Halen

Sorry I don't listen to MOTR crap. I'd take Tom Verlaine, Ash Bowie, or Lee Ranaldo any day over the ones you listed.

The Porn Nerd · 08-15-2010, 05:36 PM

Tom Verlaine = FAIL
Ash Bowie = FAIL
Lee Ranaldo = FAIL

All quite "good" but not "as good" as the ones I mentioned. Besides, this isn't about "personal preference"; this is about whether or not today's guitarists, on a whole/as a group, have either the chops their elders had (they don't) or can they/do they run off amazing SOLOS like they used to "back in the day" ('Freebird'-style). They don't.

Denial is a river in Egypt.

mgtarheels · 08-15-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Overload

so ac/dc, the angels, metallica, judas priest were acting like women? you are an amazon on the moon! what about those (w)rappers (lol) with all their bling bling shit and rings; massive gold watches and other female accessoires? hmmm? HMM?! fact is, music of today is PURE GARBAGE - no talent, not a SINGLE black bum can play an instrument! that is FACT! just coz ppl like NOISE doesnt make it MUSIC!

Lol you're a fucking moron.

mgtarheels · 08-15-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Tom Verlaine = FAIL
Ash Bowie = FAIL
Lee Ranaldo = FAIL

All quite "good" but not "as good" as the ones I mentioned. Besides, this isn't about "personal preference"; this is about whether or not today's guitarists, on a whole/as a group, have either the chops their elders had (they don't) or can they/do they run off amazing SOLOS like they used to "back in the day" ('Freebird'-style). They don't.

Denial is a river in Egypt.

Why even offer the option for debate? You've already made your mind up before examples posted.

The Porn Nerd · 08-15-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Why even offer the option for debate? You've already made your mind up before examples posted.

Excellent point. Tell you what: post some examples of guitarists who shred and I'll check 'em out. If any of them give me tingles - the ultimate test, IMHO - then I'll man up and publicly apologize.

candyflip · 08-15-2010, 06:21 PM

The new Avenged Sevenfold disc is great, if you like hard rock and lots of guitar solos.

Overload · 08-15-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Lol you're a fucking moron.

show me ONE - just ONE black rap idiot able to play an instrument or sing! YOU have yer ears tinfoiled and dont even KNOW what MUSIC is! you are a morons ass wipe!

2MuchMark · 08-15-2010, 06:42 PM

Of course, there's another way of looking at it. We're getting OLD. Remember when you were a kid and your parents hated the music that you listened to? Same thing today.

SallyRand · 08-15-2010, 07:37 PM

My Dad was only seven but he tells me that when he heard the news on the radio he knew that his life had somehow changed. And he also says that he remembers that he cried on the Day The Music Died. He also remembers that his parents would not console him because he wasn't supposed to be listening to that "jungle music". Dad would turn the radio to 710 AM, WHB, World's Happiest Broadcasters, when his parents weren't home. WHB was a pioneer in Top 40 and Dad still keeps the radio in his first car set on AM 710, even though it is now a different format. He has a concealed FM radio for the Oldies and current Rock' Roll.

WHB:

http://www.worldshappiestbroadcasters.com/

Some people think that Dad is half a bubble off plumb but he is a die-hard Rocker and always will be. His first car is named "Teri's" and his hot rod, a '41 Cadillac 62 Series De Luxe coupe with a '64 Cad 390 equipped with an early El Dorado six-pack setup is named "Twilight Time".

Well, the motor is bored and stroked up to like 460 and maybe does 425 HP but that is not the issue as on the highway it will yield around 19-20 mpg if he keeps his foot out of it but he says there is no fun in keeping his foot out of it, so there ya go.

Just can't get past the sound of those six barrels sucking in!

He knows Junior Johnson.

He builds his own engines.

And............................................... .................

.......he gave me his Corvette!

1968 427-cid 435-hp V-8 with 11.0:1 compression ratio, 4-speed manual transmission, and three two-barrel carburetors. With A/C. Safari Yellow. Black interior. Convertible. 80,000 miles.

ROCK AND ROLL!

Sally.

mgtarheels · 08-15-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Overload

show me ONE - just ONE black rap idiot able to play an instrument or sing! YOU have yer ears tinfoiled and dont even KNOW what MUSIC is! you are a morons ass wipe!

I assume you've never heard of The Roots?

Mos Def plays bass, RZA plays guitar, Kanye West plays piano, etc.

Get out, moron.

mgtarheels · 08-15-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Excellent point. Tell you what: post some examples of guitarists who shred and I'll check 'em out. If any of them give me tingles - the ultimate test, IMHO - then I'll man up and publicly apologize.

John Frusciante
Edge (U2)
Tom Morello
Synyster Gates
Tariqh Akoni

And theyre just a few "big" names. There's SO many that are better than the regarded top guitarists that are not in rock.

The Porn Nerd · 08-15-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels

John Frusciante
Edge (U2)
Tom Morello
Synyster Gates
Tariqh Akoni

And theyre just a few "big" names. There's SO many that are better than the regarded top guitarists that are not in rock.

Well, I would agree with you about the first two, and Tom Morello is borderline. But again, we ARE talking "rock and roll" here.

NOT heavy metal, alternative, speed metal, death metal, grunge, etc etc etc.

ROCK and ROLL.

Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, Dave Davies

ROCK and ROLL.

This isn't "list your favorite guitarist" thread. This is "there ain't anyone as good IN ROCK AND ROLL anymore as the above mentioned" thread. Shit, Jose Felliciano could pick a mean latin acoustic guitar but AGAIN:

ROCK and ROLL.

bhutocracy · 08-15-2010, 09:07 PM

Saying guitar music is dead because 80's shredding is currently lamer than Van Halen's fishnets is basically like wearing a sign that says "I'm wilfully musically ignorant".

And the only person to mention either Paco or Di Meola agrees with me heh.

mgtarheels · 08-15-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Well, I would agree with you about the first two, and Tom Morello is borderline. But again, we ARE talking "rock and roll" here.

NOT heavy metal, alternative, speed metal, death metal, grunge, etc etc etc.

ROCK and ROLL.

Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, Dave Davies

ROCK and ROLL.

This isn't "list your favorite guitarist" thread. This is "there ain't anyone as good IN ROCK AND ROLL anymore as the above mentioned" thread. Shit, Jose Felliciano could pick a mean latin acoustic guitar but AGAIN:

ROCK and ROLL.

We're talking rock and roll music.

We're also talking rock guitar, see thread title. There were 0 misinterpretations in my list.

The topic also transformed into an all around guitarist when the debate on eras was brought up.

mgtarheels · 08-15-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Saying guitar music is dead because 80's shredding is currently lamer than Van Halen's fishnets is basically like wearing a sign that says "I'm wilfully musically ignorant".

And the only person to mention either Paco or Di Meola agrees with me heh.

no john mclaughlin?

bhutocracy · 08-15-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

When's the last time you even noticed the drumming in a rock song?

bhutocracy · 08-15-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Overload

show me ONE - just ONE black rap idiot able to play an instrument or sing! YOU have yer ears tinfoiled and dont even KNOW what MUSIC is! you are a morons ass wipe!

bhutocracy · 08-15-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels

All this says is how completely out of touch you are.
Jonsi Birgisson

^^^ Best gig I've ever been to in my entire life.

mgtarheels · 08-15-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

^^^ Best gig I've ever been to in my entire life.

Me too. His solos are unbelievable and first time Ive ever seen a guitar played like that live.

rhizome · 08-15-2010, 11:41 PM

The dude in Pelican plays with an e-bow too. Guitars have so much latent potential that goes beyond speed chord progressions. Bringing out this potential whilst gentling balancing or even creating tension between harmony and discordance is what turns a guitar hero master into an artist. None of those 60's/70's guitarists aside from maybe Hendrix made me think of guitar playing in a new way; they all lacked a cerebral element, completely drab. And after a while it just became so repetitive, thank god for no wave.

Paul Markham · 08-16-2010, 01:32 AM

The music industry started to really change the day MTV started broadcasting and the video became as important as the song. Then it became more important than the song.

Then piracy hit the business and record companies realised the money was to be made in getting as many acts out there for their 5 minutes of fame before they died a death. Commercially speaking.

If you look at the past legends and see how long it took for them to perfect their art and techniques you can see why they will never come back to the same prominence. Bands would be on the road for years gaining experience and developing their talents. Today they are famous and back flipping burgers in less time.

Even fringe bands, the same rule applies.

AlphaSky · 08-16-2010, 01:53 AM

Rock isn't dead. Kids today are not into Rock BECAUSE their aging parents still listen to it! Kids do not want to listen to the same shit their parents do. Rock music is a form of rebellion against parents and society. Because all these aging adults haven't moved on to Jazz and classical music, kids today are stuck with this disco funk dance hip hop shit because their Parents don't listen to music that you can dance to.
In about 15 to 20 more years, rock will be back in style again. With an angry broke ass nation knee deep in a major depression, rock will spawn again from the angry voices of the new generation. Some of us will see this in our late 70's and 80's. Today's kids are not angry enough to even write a rock song anyways. Today's music is all about glam, hype, gold chains and who has the cutest face, even though they can't sign for shit. (Taylor Swift good example of a no talent studio peice of crap. I'll take Grace Slick any day)

Rock will never die... it's just on a break.

jerryb · 08-16-2010, 03:24 AM

You are just seeing an evolution that I lived through repeat itself. I played lead trumpet in Big Bands in the late 50's and early 60's. Played for Tommy Dorsey, Buddy Rich and others. I got out of it in the late 60's cause Big Bands were dying off and the traveling was getting to me.

You are witnessing another generation of the same thing I lived through. Screaming guitars, singers with the mike in their mouth yelling so bad you can't understand a word they are saying ... IT IS DEAD OR SERIOUSLY ON ITS DEATH BED.

It's the music evolution.

Tom_PM · 08-16-2010, 08:43 AM

I still have my file crate full of LP's, my guitar, and some headphones. So for me it's still 1981 or so in terms of rock music. Every. Day.

And as for the rest, index fingers in ears, la la la la la I cant hear you.

_Richard_ · 08-16-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by garce

I made a good living playing guitar. Started playing the instrument circa 1976 and - due to growing tired of living on the road - gave it up about the time I turned forty.

To make what could be a very long story short, no-one plays guitar anymore. There are no famous guitar players. The last big rock star guitar player I can think of is Slash - and his peak hit almost twenty years ago.

Before Slash, we had the Reverend Billy G, Brian Setser, Stevie Ray,

Jack White? Love the guy. Equal to EVH, SRV, JH, JP (Jimmy Page) or JP (Joe Perry)? Not even in the same league. Buddy Guy, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson, Muddy Watters, Bo Diddley... Its all undone. Finished.

My father introduced me to Brownie McGhee when I was 15 years old. I played with Liberty Silver's band when I was 16. That was in 1979. Had a great career for the next twenty years, and a lot of fun for ten more till I finally just said "fuck it".

I won't waste your time (anymore than I already have) explaining what brought this on, but if you're lamenting what tubes have done to our business - take a moment to lament the death of rock guitar. Without rock guitar there is no rock and roll.

There may be keepers of the flame still fighting the good fight, but their good work is irrelevant. Rock and roll is now a niche. It breaks my heart to say this, but its an irrelevant niche. A nice base of ravenous fans that generate enough capital to influence no-one.

Rock guitar is dead. Rock and roll is dead. And it ain't coming back. I don't give a shit how fast your Youtube speed-weenie buddy can play Eruption with his teeth. That "song" is thirty years old. What can they do to change what's happening today? Nothing.

Rock guitar is dead. All that is left is glorious memories.

funny how similar this is to what the old farts were saying at the start of Rock and Roll

PR_Glen · 08-16-2010, 09:30 AM

as long as Gwar is around rock will live forever!

dan@noof · 08-16-2010, 10:23 AM

garce · 08-26-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by erooup

You got stuck in the what was, and blame your failures on those who evolve beyond your current capacity and capabilities. Just like those who complain about there not being money left in porn, because they cant make a sale on their Sblog.

Huzzah Buzzah Wuzzah? I'll put Brownie McGhee up against any Youtube wanker you care to name.

The point isn't how fast you play - that's why I made this post. Speed is irrelevant - it has nothing to do with music. Too many kids today think their nonsensial wanking id actual music. Har de har you fucking pussy.

garce · 08-26-2010, 11:36 PM

Guys, you're missing the point. Name one guitar player who can capture the imagination of today's music audience.

There are none. Jack White is as close as you'll get - and he's niche.

Twenty years ago, everyone and their mother knew about Jimmy Page. Ted Nugent. Brian Setser. George Thorogood. Stevie Ray Vaughn. Eddie Van Halen. The Fucking Reverend Bill G. Even Slash.

Name me one guitar player who has a hit record (mp3 - whatever) right now.

Today. List a song that is a hit today, that is made famous because of the man playing guitar.

-OR-

Post a band that is huge, who's guitar player gets all the press and glory.

You'll be going back twenty yers.

fuzebox · 08-26-2010, 11:46 PM

This thread is frustrating. I think people should stop complaining about the old days and accept that life changes without them.

fuzebox · 08-26-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Well, I would agree with you about the first two, and Tom Morello is borderline. But again, we ARE talking "rock and roll" here.

NOT heavy metal, alternative, speed metal, death metal, grunge, etc etc etc.

ROCK and ROLL.

Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, Dave Davies

ROCK and ROLL.

This isn't "list your favorite guitarist" thread. This is "there ain't anyone as good IN ROCK AND ROLL anymore as the above mentioned" thread. Shit, Jose Felliciano could pick a mean latin acoustic guitar but AGAIN:

ROCK and ROLL.

Ok, so what is "rock and roll" then, according to you? If you won't acknowledge any modern rock bands as "ROCK and ROLL", then everything in this thread is pretty irrelevant isn't it? We might as well make a thread complaining that GM isn't making stingray corvettes anymore.

garce · 08-26-2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

funny how similar this is to what the old farts were saying at the start of Rock and Roll

Nice try. I AM an old fart and I learned how to play from Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson, Brownie MKcGhee.

I also learned to play form Joe Walsh, Joe Perry, and Ace Frehley.

That is all irrlevant and off topic. There are no new bands who create popular music where the guitar player is the star.

Get it? The guitar player is no longer the star of the show.

That was the point. You missed it.

garce · 08-27-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

This thread is frustrating. I think people should stop complaining about the old days and accept that life changes without them.

Not the point. I do not give a flying fuck about music. Go listen to all of thew lip-synced techno and house garbage you want.

I'm talking about straight ahead rock and roll music. Music that was created by real men who would pound your little "Jersey Shore" asslicking pussy face into the ground.

Your opinion is useless to this post.

Name a guitar player who's had a hit record in the last twenty years.

Rock and Roll is guitar oriented nusic. There have been no rock guitar plsyers for almost thirty years.

Rock and Roll = Guitar. Beside Jack White, name one oerson who is keeping Rock and Roll alive.

garce · 08-27-2010, 12:12 AM

Go ahead and link me a riff. Link me a guitar riff.

mgtarheels · 08-27-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by garce

Not the point. I do not give a flying fuck about music. Go listen to all of thew lip-synced techno and house garbage you want.

I'm talking about straight ahead rock and roll music. Music that was created by real men who would pound your little "Jersey Shore" asslicking pussy face into the ground.

Your opinion is useless to this post.

Name a guitar player who's had a hit record in the last twenty years.

Rock and Roll is guitar oriented nusic. There have been no rock guitar plsyers for almost thirty years.

Rock and Roll = Guitar. Beside Jack White, name one oerson who is keeping Rock and Roll alive.

We already did, dick knuckle.

John Frusciante
Edge (U2)
Tom Morello
Synyster Gates
Tariqh Akoni

MarkTiarra · 08-27-2010, 12:21 AM

There was a time when big band and jazz was the pop music of the day. I used to wonder when the basic rock format of bass, drums, guitar, singer (and sometimes keys) would give way to a new format. I suppose it has, to some extent. I'm not sure it bothers me or not. I enjoy what I enjoy and there is still plenty of it to be had. Others enjoy what they like (be it rap - hip.hop or whatever) and they get to have fun too. What I do miss as a fan of rock, though, is bands taking chances with it. It's not popular enough to be formulaic so why not stretch out and do some things with the arrangements?

CaptainHowdy · 08-27-2010, 06:09 AM

This powerful statement TO THE TOP...

BlackCrayon · 08-27-2010, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by garce

Not the point. I do not give a flying fuck about music. Go listen to all of thew lip-synced techno and house garbage you want.

I'm talking about straight ahead rock and roll music. Music that was created by real men who would pound your little "Jersey Shore" asslicking pussy face into the ground.

Your opinion is useless to this post.

Name a guitar player who's had a hit record in the last twenty years.

Rock and Roll is guitar oriented nusic. There have been no rock guitar plsyers for almost thirty years.

Rock and Roll = Guitar. Beside Jack White, name one oerson who is keeping Rock and Roll alive.

They are out there, you won't hear them on the radio though. To most people, the idea of creating a band around 'straight ahead rock and roll' is pointless because everyone will say they are just ripping off old music. Rock music has 'evolved' beyond what was happening in the 60's-70's. I'm not saying its a good thing though as most of the stuff I love comes from that era but can it really be done in todays day and age without looking like copy-cats? Jack White seems to be able to pull it off, surprisingly but its not easy.

marcop · 08-27-2010, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Riffhard

I thought it was funny and incredibly awesome how the reissue of Exile on Main Street, which was originally released 40 years ago, debuted on number 1 on the album charts a few months back. :p

I think it's funny that the music I grew up listening to is now called "Classic" rock.

Caligari · 08-27-2010, 07:02 AM

not only is rock guitar not dead its being learned rather well by the youngins

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/sto...age-with-ozzy/

10 year old shredder jams live with Ozzy...holy shit!

iSpyCams · 08-27-2010, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by garce

Not the point. I do not give a flying fuck about music. Go listen to all of thew lip-synced techno and house garbage you want.

I'm talking about straight ahead rock and roll music. Music that was created by real men who would pound your little "Jersey Shore" asslicking pussy face into the ground.

Your opinion is useless to this post.

Name a guitar player who's had a hit record in the last twenty years.

Rock and Roll is guitar oriented nusic. There have been no rock guitar plsyers for almost thirty years.

Rock and Roll = Guitar. Beside Jack White, name one oerson who is keeping Rock and Roll alive.

John Mayer? Got current hits and is famous for playing guitar. Can't stand him myself but if you want a current guitar hero you got one right there.

Dave Matthews?

Yeah I know I'm talking singer/songwriters here, but these are two guys that have distinguished themselves based on their guitar-playing abilities.

michael.kickass · 08-27-2010, 07:32 AM

After Slash I can only think of Tom Morello. I know what he does ain't exactly rock n' roll but it's the closest one that comes to mind. There's John Frusciante too but he's too much of a Hendrix imitator IMHO. Jack White is also an option, I totally agree that Rock N' Roll is dead or dying. Today's music sucks, I find myself listening all the time to bands like AC/DC, Iron Maiden or guys who've been around for 20 or 30 years already.

CaptainHowdy · 08-27-2010, 07:37 AM

Dead on...

Tom_PM · 08-27-2010, 08:24 AM

Check out shintake14's youtube channel. Hey, at least you can listen to a few covers done well and with style.

CDSmith · 08-27-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FetishWeb

When you say "music today" you are citing the bullshit on TV and radio. Like your hopelessly boring bullshit of decades past is better than the hopelessly boring, unmusical bullshit of today. Your entire sphere of musical knowledge revolves completely around commercial music. Best of luck trying to argue your way out of that corner without making me laugh.

Really shows how completely and fully ignorant to the guitar, guitar theory, and the whole summation of music you are.

I know you'll get on your high-horse about Hendrix next but I'm not saying any popular acts from today are any better than the masturbatory boomer noisemakers from the past.

Thats the hilarious part about this banter. No mention of the truly great guitarists past/present from America or the ones of the world stage who have struggled endlessly in America for decades. Just a retarded comparison of shitty over-hyped rock guitarists to the shitty corporate machine of today.

Same shit machine, different calendar year. Same old boomers trying to hilariously convince the world that their hero's of yore are better than present day "guitar hero's" without even knowing what a real guitarist or even music sounds like.

Probably why legendary, once in a century type guitarists like Paco De Lucia would rather tend to their garden than play music anymore.

Then I guess we belong to the same generation unless you are collecting SS checks. You sure sound like a typical ignorant, idiotic boomer when it comes to music.

Possibly the saddest thing in this thread is this kind of evidence, the notion that a lot of young people today will sit around dissing classic rock eras of the 60's, 70's, 80's and beyond and sling derisiion like they're some sort of superior enlightened music afficionado yet UTTERLY FAIL to understand that without the greats of decades past you wouldn't have today whatever it is you have.

Garce is right. I've always listed to the classic stuff but have also always had my ear to rail for good new stuff, standout stuff, "future classic" stuff as it were. The train slowed to a trickle 10-15 years ago and has now all but stopped. I've been waiting to see what today's music has in store that is worthy of what came before it but sadly, it just doesn't seem to be there.

I like the odd song here or there but I couldn't tell you the name of the band in many cases much less the guitarists' name. Few stand out today. Not like the late 70's - early 80's when everyone knew who Brian May was, who Eddie was, who Angus was, Page, Clapton, Frampton, and on and on.

Music industry's fault? No doubt about it but perhaps it's a shared fault between it and this new young generation of kids who'd rather dis the older and wiser than go out and create something that stands out from the rest and is worthy of what came before it. Where are today's gods of rock? Gardening you say? How sad.

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The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,594	Tom Verlaine = FAIL Ash Bowie = FAIL Lee Ranaldo = FAIL All quite "good" but not "as good" as the ones I mentioned. Besides, this isn't about "personal preference"; this is about whether or not today's guitarists, on a whole/as a group, have either the chops their elders had (they don't) or can they/do they run off amazing SOLOS like they used to "back in the day" ('Freebird'-style). They don't. Denial is a river in Egypt. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia

08-15-2010, 06:21 PM	#61
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,061	The new Avenged Sevenfold disc is great, if you like hard rock and lots of guitar solos. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me Last edited by candyflip; 08-15-2010 at 06:22 PM..

08-15-2010, 06:42 PM	#63
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 49,166	Of course, there's another way of looking at it. We're getting OLD. Remember when you were a kid and your parents hated the music that you listened to? Same thing today. __________________ Custom Coding \| Videochat Solutions \| Age Verification \| IT Help & Support www.2Much.net

08-15-2010, 07:37 PM	#64
SallyRand So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In A Galaxie Far, Far Away! Posts: 3,487	February 3, 1959. My Dad was only seven but he tells me that when he heard the news on the radio he knew that his life had somehow changed. And he also says that he remembers that he cried on the Day The Music Died. He also remembers that his parents would not console him because he wasn't supposed to be listening to that "jungle music". Dad would turn the radio to 710 AM, WHB, World's Happiest Broadcasters, when his parents weren't home. WHB was a pioneer in Top 40 and Dad still keeps the radio in his first car set on AM 710, even though it is now a different format. He has a concealed FM radio for the Oldies and current Rock' Roll. WHB: http://www.worldshappiestbroadcasters.com/ Some people think that Dad is half a bubble off plumb but he is a die-hard Rocker and always will be. His first car is named "Teri's" and his hot rod, a '41 Cadillac 62 Series De Luxe coupe with a '64 Cad 390 equipped with an early El Dorado six-pack setup is named "Twilight Time". Well, the motor is bored and stroked up to like 460 and maybe does 425 HP but that is not the issue as on the highway it will yield around 19-20 mpg if he keeps his foot out of it but he says there is no fun in keeping his foot out of it, so there ya go. Just can't get past the sound of those six barrels sucking in! He knows Junior Johnson. He builds his own engines. And............................................... ................. .......he gave me his Corvette! 1968 427-cid 435-hp V-8 with 11.0:1 compression ratio, 4-speed manual transmission, and three two-barrel carburetors. With A/C. Safari Yellow. Black interior. Convertible. 80,000 miles. ROCK AND ROLL! Sally. Last edited by SallyRand; 08-15-2010 at 07:50 PM..

08-16-2010, 01:32 AM	#76
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The music industry started to really change the day MTV started broadcasting and the video became as important as the song. Then it became more important than the song. Then piracy hit the business and record companies realised the money was to be made in getting as many acts out there for their 5 minutes of fame before they died a death. Commercially speaking. If you look at the past legends and see how long it took for them to perfect their art and techniques you can see why they will never come back to the same prominence. Bands would be on the road for years gaining experience and developing their talents. Today they are famous and back flipping burgers in less time. Even fringe bands, the same rule applies. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

08-15-2010, 05:10 PM	#52
rhizome Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 788	Thanks for that post FetishWeb. Lamenting rock guitar is the equivalent of lamenting the death of disco but 50 year old dudes with mullets are too cool for disco, the irony. Had a chance to catch Fred Frith recently, still going strong after 40 years. One of the great guitarists of this century, his timeless or out-of-time music will be influencing future generations of guitar players long after Slash (seriously, did the OP actually mention Slash?) has been washed away by the tides of time.

08-15-2010, 09:07 PM	#68
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	Saying guitar music is dead because 80's shredding is currently lamer than Van Halen's fishnets is basically like wearing a sign that says "I'm wilfully musically ignorant". And the only person to mention either Paco or Di Meola agrees with me heh.

08-15-2010, 11:41 PM	#75
rhizome Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 788	The dude in Pelican plays with an e-bow too. Guitars have so much latent potential that goes beyond speed chord progressions. Bringing out this potential whilst gentling balancing or even creating tension between harmony and discordance is what turns a guitar hero master into an artist. None of those 60's/70's guitarists aside from maybe Hendrix made me think of guitar playing in a new way; they all lacked a cerebral element, completely drab. And after a while it just became so repetitive, thank god for no wave.

08-16-2010, 01:53 AM	#77
AlphaSky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,013	Rock isn't dead. Kids today are not into Rock BECAUSE their aging parents still listen to it! Kids do not want to listen to the same shit their parents do. Rock music is a form of rebellion against parents and society. Because all these aging adults haven't moved on to Jazz and classical music, kids today are stuck with this disco funk dance hip hop shit because their Parents don't listen to music that you can dance to. In about 15 to 20 more years, rock will be back in style again. With an angry broke ass nation knee deep in a major depression, rock will spawn again from the angry voices of the new generation. Some of us will see this in our late 70's and 80's. Today's kids are not angry enough to even write a rock song anyways. Today's music is all about glam, hype, gold chains and who has the cutest face, even though they can't sign for shit. (Taylor Swift good example of a no talent studio peice of crap. I'll take Grace Slick any day) Rock will never die... it's just on a break.

08-16-2010, 03:24 AM	#78
jerryb Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Saginaw, Michigan USA Posts: 588	You are just seeing an evolution that I lived through repeat itself. I played lead trumpet in Big Bands in the late 50's and early 60's. Played for Tommy Dorsey, Buddy Rich and others. I got out of it in the late 60's cause Big Bands were dying off and the traveling was getting to me. You are witnessing another generation of the same thing I lived through. Screaming guitars, singers with the mike in their mouth yelling so bad you can't understand a word they are saying ... IT IS DEAD OR SERIOUSLY ON ITS DEATH BED. It's the music evolution. __________________ - - Hot Phone Sex and Porn Search Engine Webmaster Opportunities Crazy Ernies Blog

08-16-2010, 08:43 AM	#79
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I still have my file crate full of LP's, my guitar, and some headphones. So for me it's still 1981 or so in terms of rock music. Every. Day. And as for the rest, index fingers in ears, la la la la la I cant hear you. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

08-16-2010, 09:30 AM	#81
PR_Glen Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9,058	as long as Gwar is around rock will live forever! __________________ webmaster at pimproll dot com

08-16-2010, 10:23 AM	#82
dan@noof Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Boulder Posts: 278	__________________

08-26-2010, 11:36 PM	#84
garce Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,103	Guys, you're missing the point. Name one guitar player who can capture the imagination of today's music audience. There are none. Jack White is as close as you'll get - and he's niche. Twenty years ago, everyone and their mother knew about Jimmy Page. Ted Nugent. Brian Setser. George Thorogood. Stevie Ray Vaughn. Eddie Van Halen. The Fucking Reverend Bill G. Even Slash. Name me one guitar player who has a hit record (mp3 - whatever) right now. Today. List a song that is a hit today, that is made famous because of the man playing guitar. -OR- Post a band that is huge, who's guitar player gets all the press and glory. You'll be going back twenty yers.

08-26-2010, 11:46 PM	#85
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,094	This thread is frustrating. I think people should stop complaining about the old days and accept that life changes without them.

08-27-2010, 12:12 AM	#89
garce Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,103	Go ahead and link me a riff. Link me a guitar riff.

08-27-2010, 12:21 AM	#91
MarkTiarra Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 3,833	There was a time when big band and jazz was the pop music of the day. I used to wonder when the basic rock format of bass, drums, guitar, singer (and sometimes keys) would give way to a new format. I suppose it has, to some extent. I'm not sure it bothers me or not. I enjoy what I enjoy and there is still plenty of it to be had. Others enjoy what they like (be it rap - hip.hop or whatever) and they get to have fun too. What I do miss as a fan of rock, though, is bands taking chances with it. It's not popular enough to be formulaic so why not stretch out and do some things with the arrangements? __________________ Retired Pornosticator

08-27-2010, 06:09 AM	#92
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 93,504	This powerful statement TO THE TOP... __________________ Tjeezers.cam plus all sites $12.000,00. Transfer within 24 hours.

08-27-2010, 07:02 AM	#95
Caligari Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: At The Mountains Of Madness Posts: 5,414	not only is rock guitar not dead its being learned rather well by the youngins http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/sto...age-with-ozzy/ 10 year old shredder jams live with Ozzy...holy shit! __________________ ATTN Webmasters Cruel Bucks - LIVE Gonzo Does Not Pay ------------------------------------------------ Animal Rescue Click Here to Feed An Animal for Free

08-27-2010, 07:32 AM	#97
michael.kickass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 11,039	After Slash I can only think of Tom Morello. I know what he does ain't exactly rock n' roll but it's the closest one that comes to mind. There's John Frusciante too but he's too much of a Hendrix imitator IMHO. Jack White is also an option, I totally agree that Rock N' Roll is dead or dying. Today's music sucks, I find myself listening all the time to bands like AC/DC, Iron Maiden or guys who've been around for 20 or 30 years already. __________________ NICERATIOS - $30 PPS - 50% Rev Share - 5% WM Referral - High Converting Sites! Any questions about your NICERATIOS account? Vanessa will take care of you: [email protected] Looking to expand your business in general, maybe sell your sites? Contact me: [email protected] Last edited by michael.kickass; 08-27-2010 at 07:33 AM..

08-27-2010, 07:37 AM	#98
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08-27-2010, 08:24 AM	#99
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Check out shintake14's youtube channel. Hey, at least you can listen to a few covers done well and with style. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.