50 Right Wing Nut Jobs losing it...:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

There was no need to respond directly to the Ted Nugent rant that you posted, since most rational people can see it as the psycho-babble which it is...unless you mistook the following for rational political discourse:

Glad to see that you support democracy as much as the majority whom elected Barack HUSSEIN Obama... :upsidedow :1orglaugh :helpme :321GFY

ADG

I dig Terrible Ted as a musician,his political views not so much

Make that twenty-two Ad Hominem attacks and no response to anything that Nugent wrote; merely yet another "BUSH DID IT!/BLAME IT ON BUSH!" rant!

Calling them as I see them!

Sally.

You only see what you want to see. :2 cents: Take the blindfold off, Sally.

Read this excerpt from a bio about Ted Nugent on Rotten Tomatoes:

:disgust

ADG

Twenty-three. And what is most interesting is that I have not written that I support or oppose anything that Nugent wrote. I only posted his comments. I have merely asked questions and commented on the REPLIES or lack of them.

Talk about having a on a blindfold!

And as far as "pedo" goes, for those Christians among you, your "God" chose to impregnate a Hebrew girl who would have been somewhere around 13-15 years of age as marriageability was determined by the onset of menses in those primitve times and an unmarried 16 year old girls was considered to be an Old Maid. Nothing to do with Nugent, just FYI.

Sally.

Fuck Ted Nugent.

You mean Ted's God? Ted's very religious, very anti-marijuana, very anti-homosexual. About the past, you don't have to go all that way to 2,000+ years ago. We can take a good look at America only 100 years ago and find some damning traits about the U.S. too if you really felt that made a point.

I can find, as can you, damning points about virtually any culture which exists or has existed on the planet! That's not the point. I can go as far back as I like as can anyone else. The fact that an event occurred hundreds or even thousands of years ago in no way diminishes the importance of that event.

No, I don't mean "Ted's God"; I mean the God of the Christian Bible and you can't try to say that "Ted's God did it but the True Christian God did not!" Ted;s Christian God is the same as all other Christian's God, the veiwpoint depends on what they actually know about their rather odd little book and what it really says.

Sally.

Why did you bother to mention God then? Do you actually believe the Bible, or you were just hoping to insult Christians? You realize he's the same "God" for Judaism and Islam too right? So if you're trying to offend Christians with the comment, you're also kicking the Jews and Muslims.

What does it have to do with Ted's pedophile tendencies? Were you trying to defend him with some weird "It's ok cause God did it too" kind of insane defense?

Christian Love - The Passion of the Mel:



ADG

Not rying to "offend" or insult anyone! If stating the fact that in the time discussed in the bible that marriageable age was anything around fourteen years of age is "insulting". maybe those who adhere to such beliefs should re-assess. Of course I know that the "God" of the Bible is the same "God" adhered to by Christians, Jews and Muslims as those three superstitions are but the three sides of a triangle.

I'm not "kicking" anyone, nor did I "defend" Nugent in anyway; I merely posted his editorial followed by facts. You got a problem with facts?

Sally.

I guess I'm just not interested in using the Bible as some kind of factual basis to excuse pedophiles for their behavior, or as a foundation for your political views. Would you be interested in using Alice in Wonderland to discuss mine?

You do realize that the story of Henri Charrière, otherwise known as "Papillon" has been generally discredited as.....well.....fraud, don't you?

http://rekhabloge.blogspot.com/2010/...e-memoirs.html

From the citation:

"Papillon is a memoir written by convicted felon, Henri Charrière, in which he related the tale of his adventures in various prisons and penal colonies throughout French Guiana and its environs. The book was a runaway bestseller when it was released in France in 1969, was translated into over 15 languages, and was made into a 1973 movie starring Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman.

When Charrière shopped the book, it was intended as a novel, but he was convinced to sell it as a personal memoir by his publisher, Robert Laffont. Nevertheless, Charrière insisted to the public that the entire book was true for the rest of his life. In a narrative brimming with self-importance, Charrière maintained that he was wrongfully convicted of killing a friend, sentenced to hard labour, and that he had a series of escapes and recaptures before being sent to the Devil?s Island Penal Colony.

On Devil?s Island, the butterfly-tattooed convict maintained the he made yet another daring escape on a raft made of coconuts. After this escape, he claimed he had been sent to a Venezuelan detention camp before being pardoned and becoming a Venezuelan citizen. Among his claims, were the assertions that he had stabbed a snitch in prison, lived among natives where he had married and impregnated two teenage sisters, and that, after being recaptured, he had convinced a judge to reduce his sentence because they hadn?t hit the prison guards that hard when they had escaped.

So what was true? Henri Charrière had been convicted of killing a friend, he had escaped from the French Penal Colony in French Guiana, he had been sent to solitary on the island of St. Joseph, and he had eventually escaped to Venezuela after being transferred back to the mainland. The rest of the story was embellished with the accounts of other prisoners and with fantasy from Charrière?s fertile imagination. There is no reason to believe that Charrière was innocent, his first escape was closer to a year than a week after his imprisonment, and many of the excessive rules and conditions Charrière described had been abolished before his arrival. Furthermore, it is unlikely that Charrière had ever even been on Devil?s Island as it was reserved for those convicted for treason, and, even if he had been on Devil?s Island, this French MacGyver never escaped on a coconut raft.

Fellow inmates and prison records attested to the fact that, contrary to his portrayal of himself, Charrière was a rather quiet and submissive prisoner who caused few problems. Already in 1970, the claims of Papillon were overturned by Gérard de Villiers in Papillon Egpinglé (Butterfly Pinned). Charrière vehemently denied de Villiers? claims, even trying to have his book banned. Still, if internet articles are any indication, there are those who continue to believe the events described in Papillon are gospel."

Read it and wep!

Sally.

Yep. Matter of fact a band used to do a house gig there a lot of the time. They were called "The Rockafellas"
They had a young guitar player named Reb Beach who wasn't all that great and was kinda shy.

He met some girl with money. She took him to New York and L.A. Got him vocal lessons. Bought him clothes. Made him practice....

And the next thing I knew this kid was playing guitar with Kip Winger, had his own Ibanez model guitar designed and named after him!

There I was in the trenches playing every fucking nightclub in America doing cover music...and Reb Beach jumped right over me in one fell swoop and became a rock star playing stadiums. lol

I played Art Stocks, JW's House Of Rock, The Button On The Beach, The Button South, The Treehouse, Summers On The Beach, Penrods, The Candy Store...and a lot more right there in Lauderdale.

Those were the days when a good guitar player/singer was basically a "rock star" playing clubs for thousands of people every night. And the pussy was flowing like wine.

sally

My favorite Nugent is Great White Buffalo. And yeah, ted was anti-drug back in the day when it wasn't cool to be. The guy always was true to his beliefs and they haven't changed over the years. Agree or disagree with his philosophies you have to admire someone not wishy-washy.

there was a lot of truth written in ted's rant. you guys are focusing on his past instead of reading what he wrote. actually i think i've read at least 3-4 times in this thread that some of you didn't read much of it or any at all. yet still chimed in to bash. sure some of it is obviously frustration filled and out of line. but kook, nutjob, guitar player or not there is a lot of truth in that article.

i'm actually glad he speaks his mind. instead of sitting back in the shadows like the majority with a voice do, for fear of the backlash hes receiving right now. in my opinion hes saying what a lot of people are thinking just not conveying it correctly.

until people can learn to swallow their pride and step out from behind that political correctness front their holding up. nothing is going to change. at least he gave it a shot.

anyway too much politics for me. go back to arguing about leftists, righties, conservatives and liberals. like we ALL aren't in deep shit in this country right now. instead lets just throw another guy under the bus and that'll be the end of that right? sweep it under the rug maybe it'll go away like our national debt.

heh fat chance.

I vote we put Ted on the bus and roll the old beater off a cliff.

cool bro lets light it on fire before we send it over the edge though. :thumbsup

He is the guy that deemed John McCain as un-american and pathetic.
Enough said.

Oh, Dear Boy, you should try READING what I wrote and if you cannot READ it, have someone else read it aloud to you! I wrote nothing about an "excuse", wrote nothing about any sort of "foundation" for political beliefs and in fact did refer to my religious beliefs when I referred to the three major religions as superstition! Missed that part, didn't you?

Nor did I attempt to justify anything' I merely pointed out that the marriageable age of one culture or religion may not be the same as the next, which is indeed a fact and there seem to be many around here who are troubled by facts.

I have found however that the "Flip Out Factor" kicks in at a fairly low level here and prevents readers from comprehending what was actually written, thereby causing them to miss the salient points entirely as the rhetoric begins to flow.

Sally.

great white buffalo, great white buffalo...

Silencing citizen's free speech is Marxist ideology.

Ted Nugent is way off. America is becoming a fascist police state. The merger of corporate and government. You don't like it they use police brutality to suppress the descent.

Ted Nugent is just a racist.

Who said anything about that? I was talking about getting rid of an old bus and an old washed up 80's "rock star" at the same time.

Anyone who seriously accuses Obama of being a marxist is a fucking retard that doesn't know shit about anything.

He's actually an "old washed up" 60's rock star. His first album "The Amboy Dukes" came out in 1967. He's had a lot of big records over a lot of decades.

His earlier stuff was tolerable, but after "Penetrator".... i truly felt violated. Then Damn Yankees, that flop of a show he had for a while, and that ridiculous "Super Group" fiasco with Sebastian Bach.... I'm waaaaaay over any of the cool Ted may have once had. :Oh crap

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

Tied Up In Love - Ted Nugent

Enjoy.

That just don't sound right! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

This reminds me a bit of the people who complained that America had become a "police state" under GW Bush. Such people have never witnessed a real police state, and have no idea of what they speak.

By the same token, I get the sense that ol' Ted Nugent just likes the way that some of these phrases sound, rather than having any grasp of what they mean.

Why do I get that sense? Well, this paragraph, for starters.

So.... Ted Nugent has the audacity to rail about other people being uneducated and/or ignorant of history.... and then he uses a phrase like "communist czar?" :1orglaugh

Earth to Ted: the Czars were kicked out of power in 1917..... by communists, you fucking genius.

Do tell, Ted!

On second thought... don't. I'm still laughing so hard from reading the phrase "communist czars" in close proximity to the assertion that your ideological opponents are "uneducated" and "history-devoid" that I wouldn't be listening anyway.

I have some old Amboy Dukes stuff, got vinyl on cat sratch fever, he's had hits in the 60's, 70's and 80's and had a reality show a few years back about hunting and several hunting shows. He's touring now probably which hardly means he's washed up at all, if he were, we wouldn't be posting so much about him in this thread

Good thing he's a genius, because you're not too fucking bright

here's a list of the CZAR's that Obama has appointed

Afghanistan Czar - Richard Holbrooke
AIDS Czar - Jeffrey Crowley
Auto Recovery czar - Ed Montgomery
Border Czar - Alan Bersin
Car Czar - Ron Bloom
Central Region Czar - Dennis Ross
Domestic Violence Czar - Lynn Rosenthal
Drug Czar - Gil Kerlikowske
Economic Czar - Paul Volcker
Energy and Environment Czar - Carol Browner
Faith-Based Czar - Joshua DuBois
Great Lakes Czar - Cameron Davis
Green Jobs Czar - Van Jones (resigned on Sept. 6)
Guantanamo Closure Czar - Daniel Fried
Health Czar - Nancy-Ann DeParl
Information Czar - Vivek Kundra
International Climate Czar - Todd Stern
Mideast Peace Czar - George Mitchell
Pay Czar - Kenneth Feinberg
Regulatory Czar - Cass Sunstein *
Science Czar - John Holdren
Stimulus Accountability Czar - Earl Devaney - statutory position
Sudan Czar - J. Scott Gration
TARP Czar - Herb Allison
Terrorism Czar - John Brennan
Technology Czar- Aneesh Chopra
Urban Affairs Czar - Adolfo Carrion Jr.
Weapons Czar - Ashton Carter
WMD Policy Czar - Gary Samore

What does any of this shit have to do with what he said?

He also kicked a little bit of ass in the 1990's with Damn Yankees.

I love Ted's music. My partner in my first "real" pro band (doing it for a living) was bassist Rob Ruzga. He was the bassist for Ted and The Amboy Dukes "Survival Of The Fittest"

Rob and I played all over the country from 1979 to 1989. Used to get on the phone all the time with KJ Knight and even made a couple of drunk calls to a very pissed off Ted. lol

Rob had all their phone numbers. He was my best friend for years. Died 2 years ago from liver failure (raging alcoholic unfortuntately) A helluva great bassist who could really play some funk for a white boy from Detroit.

Forgot about Damn Yankees
I was a big fan in high school of his music, when I got my first car, a 1967 baracuda fast back, I had 3 tapes for my deck, one was Ted. I used a linear amp for a CB radio to boost the power of my stereo on my car, had 4 speakers in the back deck. I miss that car

whats the matter, hook on phonics not working for you?

he made fun of the czars statment, said they were out of power, I corrected him, end of discussion

You just proved that you did not read the original post since you have to ask the question.

Allow me to retort:

"Barack Hussein Obama did not sneak into power. An army of clueless, disconnected, ignorant Americans invited him to bring his Marxist, glaringly anti-American jihad into our lives. This president's overtly destructive, clear-and-present-danger agenda is surpassed in transparency only by his ultra-leftist public voting record and overall lifetime conduct of consorting with the enemy as a child and student of Marxism, socialist and racist community organizer, congregant of the blatant America-hating black-theology- and social-justice-spewing Rev. Jeremiah Wright and close personal friend of convicted communist terrorists like Bill Ayers, and by his unflinching appointment of an array of communist czars, including Van Jones, Cass Sunstein, Anita Dunne, et al."

Take special note of the last sentence.

Sally.

Heh, I had a 67' chevelle with cat scratch fever-nazereth-James Gang on the 8track and a one-hitter under the seat. I was a cool mullet wearing MoFo in 77'.

I got my first ticket in a 67 super sport with a 396 under the hood, the judge asked me what I was doing on main street at 2 am going 40 in a 25, I told him getting it out of first gear. Car belonged to my buddy, he was driving my Cuda with a 426 wedge.

ps, that ticket cost $10, that was 1977

Great, here?s George Bush?s list of Czars he used from January 2001 to January 2009:

Abstinence Czar (Randal Tobias)
AIDS Czar (4 Czars: Scott Evertz, Joe O?Neill, Carol Thompson, Jeffrey Crowley)
Bank Bailout Czar (Neel Kashkari)
Bioethics Czar ( Leon Kass)
Bird flu Czar (Stewart Simonson)
Birth control czar (Erik Keroack)
Budget czar (3 Czars: Mitchell Daniels, Joshua Bolton, Rob Portman)
Clean Up Czar (2 Czars: Jessie Roberson & James Rispoli)
Communications Czar (Dan Bartlett)
Cyber Security Czar, Cyber Czar (2 Czars: Richard Clarke, Rod Beckstrom)
Democracy Czar (Elliott Abrams)
Domestic Policy Czar (Karl Rove)
Drug Czar (John P. Walters)
Faith-Based Czar, Faith Czar (4 Czars: Don Willett, John Dilulio, Jim Towey, Jay Hein)
Food Safety Czar (David W.K. Acheson)
Global AIDS Czar (2 Czars: Randall Tobias, Mark Dybul)
Health Czar for WTC, World Trade Center Health Czar (John Howard)
Health IT Czar (David Brailer)
Homeland Security Czar (Michael Chertoff)
Homeless Czar, Homelessness Czar (Phil Mangano)
Gulf Coast Reconstruction Czar, Hurricane Katrina Recovery Czar (Donald E. Powell)
Intelligence Czar (2 Czars: John Negroponte & John Michael McConnell)
Manufacturing Czar (2 Czars: Albert Frink & William G. Sutton)
Policy Czar (Micahel Gerson)
Public Diplomacy Czar (2 Czars: Karen Hughes & James Glassman)
Reading Czar (G. Reid Lyon)
Regulatory Czar (2 Czars: John D. Graham & Susan Dudley)
Science Czar (John Marburger)
Terrorism Czar (3 Czars: Richard A. Clarke, Wayne Downing, John O. Brennan)
War Czar (Douglas Lute)

You know in post-WW I Russia, they killed the Czar.

Verbum Sapienti.

Sally.

I do say that the last couple of decades having presidents name "czars" for different things did sound rather strange. Made it sound like old Russia.

And then having something called "Homeland Security" makes me think of Hitler's "Fatherland"
Not saying we are like the Nazi's (or maybe we are) but just saying that the words themselves don't sound right to me as an American.

Words like "czar" and "Homeland Security" just SOUND un-American for some reason to me.

It's the ones they try to wrap up in a flag that irritate me. "Patriot Act"? Cleverly named so the sheep think it's good for them.

Actually most of those positions were created by the bush administration. fox news just started calling them czars because their viewers will believe anything.

They are advisory positions. Fox news calls then czars. The Obama administration doesn't call them that. These are mostly positions created by the previous administration. Much of this BS comes from the religious right wing. If we could separate the religious conservatives from the political conservatives we would be a lot better off.

Yeah, a law that took away our rights... to "protect" us. George Washington & Thomas Jefferson would hang those politicians with the first rope from the highest tree. lol

I also like the way they re-define stuff. "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" used to mean "Nuclear Weapons" But they changed that to mean Chemical Weapons (which used to be known as "chemical weapons" :1orglaugh ) and anything else that killed people.

Mass Destruction used to mean everything was DESTROYED. But the damn U.S. government re-defines things to fit their needs I suppose.

Fox news has been calling the so-called "Czars" by the name "czars" ever since they've been on the air. They're just a news channel if you actually watch the news broadcast like Shepard Smith. All the other filler shows are opinion shows. Just like CNN and CNBC

You just have to use your common sense to know when a news reporter is reading the news and when a commentator on ANY of the news channel is giving opinion. :)