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Hey, long time lurker- first time poster.
Glad we can finally talk about this! (the veil of secrecy has been thick, my friends)
FLASHCA$H has been working with Rand and the guys and are using the e-passport TODAY for payouts.
Our signup program payouts are credited INSTANTLY to your
virtual card and you can spend it / withdraw it at an ATM the moment the surfer?s transaction goes through. (Note: the surfer pays as normal, the e-passport is being used to pay YOU in real time.)

This means that you get paid instantly. Make a sale, and your money is available on your virtual card INSTANTLY. Go spend it or take it out of an ATM. Make another sale 10 minutes later? That cash is in your account.
You get paid, not next month, not in 2 weeks, but INSTANTLY. Its like the surfer is right in front of you handing you cash.
Sign up at http://www.flashcash.com/RealTimePayments
Or if you are already an affiliate, just select ?real time payment? after you sign in.

Hope I get to meet some of you cats here at Internext. Come by Suite 33140 during the day for drinks.
-Halcyon
http://www.flashcash.com/RealTimePayments

Rand this will be a perfect solution/backup for the ebooks business also.... I cant take customers etc. from asia where most gamblers live.. so right there I lose several hundred sales a month of my ebook!

I will sure make it an option on my upcomming project also!

Regards
Vegas
:thumbsup

the site is up guys!

will there be any other methods for supplying funds into the Virtual VISA aside from another credit card? What is the max funds limit that each Virtual VISA can have?

WTF??!! I tried to sign up but I get this error

"Please Check your card expiration"

My credit card expiration is 07/04 and is exactelly what I inputed in the signup form. Also over 500$ are currently deposited in it.

Oh, please don't tell me that east europeans won't be able to have an epassport!
:(

Sims that the "high risks zone" problem is not solved yet.
This sux!

Currently you can only load an epassporte (personal) account with a Visa or Mastercard. A future enhacement should allow loads from ACH (online checks) but the details of this have yet to be worked out.

Commercial and Corporate accounts can fund 1 to 1 million cards by using an custome interface and sending funding by wire.

Now is a good time to note that once an epassporte account has been established, funds of "any amount" can be sent to any other epassporte account. Want to send a penny? You can. Want to send a thousand, ten thousad? Instantly transfer money. I mention this because I think it's the microtransactions that will get people's attention here. Get your heads around that concept and let us know what you could do with that.

Quiet, Where in the process exactly did you see this message? It sounds like there was a mis-read or something. Epassporte is not blocked to any country. It has global acceptance and anyone anywhere in the world can get one. Of course you will be able to get a card! :thumbsup

Rand I tried several times to join but the transaction is denied with the following reason

"Please Check your card expiration"


I gurantee you that my credit card is perfectly valid, I pay my host with it, domains etc...

Please fix your processor so all people could join!

Quiet?

Kinder,

I was just told that some EU banks sometimes return invalid expiration when in fact that is not the case. It is actually related somehow to the CVV2 value. I don't have any other details just yet, but this is a response from the issuing bank, not a glitch in the form. If you have a card from a different bank, I would be interested in knowing if you experience the same problem.

--Rand

After I hit I accept your processor start to process my CC and after about 30 seconds I see exactly what is displayed in this screen shot

http://www.hustlerteens.com/untitled.jpg

Just my fucking luck.

Just my fucking luck.

In case you were stunned or did not quite catch that post from Halcyon, I though I'd quote and respond. Check it out.

As Epoch was working on epassporte Flashcash was looking for a mechanism that would make sense for micro-payments. Since they were looking to solve a problem that we were working to resolve we began to beta our product with them. Shortly thereafter, FlashCash realized the potential of epassporte's ability to transfer funds instantly and globally in any amount at any time. The result of this new ability is real time instant payments. Catch that? Now an affialte can be paid in real time the moment he sends a sign-up. No waiting two weeks, or for a check to arrive, or a wire, or whatever. Send a sign-up and if you are an affialte with Flashcash you can be paid the instant the sign-up happens. Talk about a revolution?

A valid card is a valid card. If I can pay in lots of places should work for epassporte too.

Expect lots of declines in the future.

Yes i agree.

There should be a way to join without giving creditcard details.
Many people don´t have credit cards or don´t feel safe to give card details on the internet:

Why private persons can´t add funds just by sending a wire?:BangBang:

This may be a feature that will be added in the future. As previously posted, we are looking at a way to fund epassporte with an online check. A wire would probably not be a wide-spread solution for a personal account, but something we can definitely look into if there is a demand.

This type of approval failure would happen anwhere you attempt to use your card that actually qulified the CVV2 value.

You must remember that only the issuing bank can qualify the CVV2 value of the funding card. I don't think this is a widespread or long lived problem. Issuing banks who want to have happy cardholders will need to resolve the CVV2 issues to insure acceptance of their product.

Rand Hi
This is great news, i want to thank you guys at Epoch for at least trying to help with the charge back problem. I will be very interested to see if Amex and Discover join the program because here in the UK Amex is much bigger than in the USA, so i feel this will help with sign ups to US webmasters from the UK and perhaps other European countries if we are able to top up the card from our Amex accounts.

Have a great Internext and give Amparo my best

Cindy ff:thumbsup :winkwink: :thumbsup

Rand,

I noticed you said you can add $1-$1M to your virtual visa using a corporate account via wire. What type of security measures are in place for the corporate virtual VISAs. What documents are required to open a corporate account? Credit check for the coroporation required?

You could actually send someone a penny if you wanted to. This payment mechanism opens the door for micro-payments and instant money transfers globally.

Yes, a corporate or commercial account can be applied for from the epassporte website but does require a special contract to complete. Once the corporate or commercial account is approved, that account holder could purcahse and distribute and ultimately fund as many cards as they like. A nice benfit to these accounts is there no load fee (funding fees) to add funds to the cards! Nice! :thumbsup

uh Rand, I'm in Canada and I just got the same error message as Kinder. Anyone else out of the USA able to sign up?

On another note, as long as I can eventually get one (:) ), this is going to be great. Flash cash has already stepped up and started paying in real time, kudos to them. I don't know if I'd want to be paid daily, but getting paid directly to the card weekly is something I'm looking forward to. I assume you're going to offer that option, for people who use epoch as thier biller and/or promote sites that do.

right on. Last thing to bug you with ;)
How is epassporte different than say the EU Virtual VISAs that are offered by VISA.com and several EU banks.

I've asked the technical group for epassporte to look at this closer and make sure there is nothing we can do to improve the problem. We've already issued hundreds of Virtual Visas so I must assume it is a CVV2 approval problem as previously posted. Stay tuned. If you have a card from another bank you should try that and let me know what happens.

Currently, payments from Epoch are not being offered on epassporte but it is something we will be looking at as epassporte begins to be widespread. I'm guessing pretty much everyone on the adult biz will have one (or more) very quickly.

--Rand

Hi Rand, we are a non USA/CANADA company, and we are interested in the bussiness account of Epassporte....what documents are necesary to open the bussiness account, and also :

*how much a ATM plastic card will cost for bussiness accounts
*what is the charge for cash widthdrawal international

Greenlab
Icq #73520737

Greenlab,

Drop me an email and I'll get back with you on that. I havne't seen the contract for those accounts but will surly get back to you.

--R


http://www.epochsystems.com/sales/revolution1c.gif

Oh yeah.... my addy is [email protected].

:)


http://www.changethevote.com/e-passp...virtual_sm.jpg

For all americans, just thank God every fucking day, that you did not had the misfortune to born in a shitty country like me where nothing works like it should be .

Man and I was so glad first when I have read this thread:(

I just opened an account and tried my Virtual Visa on CCbill and Ibill.... Both attempts were declined at pre-auth.
This will only work for Epoch sites as I see, so EU webmasters cannot benefit from Epassporte.

Ouch, if true that does not bode well for this launch.

As I understand it, the EU Virtual has no Elecron Card, the physical card that allows you to withdraw funds.

Moreover, this is issued in realtime, on the fly with no friction.

We give you free email, P2P, etc, etc, etc....

Check out the site... www.epassporte.com

Thanks,

C

Check your email confirmation. It states that the Virtual has to propogate throughout the Visa System. This will be completed by Thursday, worldwide, on all mainstream merchants accepting Visa. As for iBill , CCBill, etc... they too have the ability to accept epassporte. We have spoken at the show already.

We announced here first, so we have not had time to make deals with everyone.

epassporte... Its everywhere... soon!
C

Chris/Rand/Epoch -- Great Idea. I remember Amex Blue and paypal both touched on the 'virtual visa' or 'visa on the fly' there for a minute.

Everything kicks ass except that site & the marketing =(

I don't think that site explains what its all about quickly enough to win the potential client over. I'm sure you guys don't plan to let a little thing like site design kill this project though, so I'm sure we'll be seeing some revisions. It's just a little unclear as to whats going on over there (for newbies).

Also there wasnt any information for businesses really -- like how do we get hooked up like flashcash?

Great idea though. I'm sure with you guys behind it, it will do fine in time :)

:thumbsup


Ahh.. I see.. webmasters will be able to promote it FOR you as a "secure, VIRTUAL transaction" -- that they dont have to give the card number out to everyone. So some of it can be made a little more clear by the referring webmaster.

See.. the thing is YOU GUYS know what all this stuff is on your site, because its your site & you've been neck deep in it for the past XX months.

Virtual Visa? Wtf is that (I know, but do they?) Visa Electron?..

Needs a good flashy design.

Probably was already talked to death in this thread.. I didn't read it yet. I'm going in reverse :)

It hasn't been discussed yet, which surprises me. I find the design to be pretty crummy and generic.
I couldn't design better, but a lot of people could (even a lot of people from here)

Those are good comments to hear. As mentioned, we've all been so close to this project that the comments regarding usability are welcome and encourged. I think that in terms of funtionality, the site works very well. I have no doucts, however, that improvements to asthetics and marketing could be made to enhance the experience and ultimately better promote the product. We are always open to constructive criticism and ideas about how we can do better so bring it on or drop me a line.

---Rand

The functionality and navigation of the site are great, I just don't find it visually pleasing... I think the colours are pretty drab. that's just my opinion though.

As for ideas on doing better, don't ask me, cause I suck ass when it comes to webdesign.

Just something I noticed: When I go straight to epassporte.com, the bottom line of the page reads like this:
"Copyright %/1 iso8859-15© 2002 ePassporte, N.V. - All Rights Reserved"

Unreal. Epoch produces a product that can add pure profit to the bottom line of every person doing business with them and you guys want to get on Chris' jock about the website design?

Understand it for what it is, a way to turn scrubbed out transactions into money, something that currently can only happen if you fall back on a dialer.

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Did you read the thread? Or just the last two or three posts?

I think everyone who has posted in this thread (myself included) have shown their support and appreciation. It's an incredible idea and like I first said "it's about time".

Chris and/or Rand asked for comments and constructive criticism, so we're offering it. The fact that the only thing I can find "wrong" with epassporte is that the website has drab colours is a positive point, not a negative point.