Oklahoma LAW! Meth users, your life is over! - GoFuckYourself.com

sortie · 07-31-2010, 04:13 PM

Wow.

http://kosu.org/2010/03/house-passes...#comment-17471

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A new bill unanimously passes the State House creating a methamphetamine registry list to be kept by the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

House Bill 3380 creates the Oklahoma Methamphetamine Offender Registry Act similar to the sex offender registry.

Representative Randy Terrill says this affects individuals convicted of possession, distribution, manufacturing or trafficking meth.

?To affirmatively register with the bureau of narcotics to disclose their identity, and thereafter they would be prohibited from purchasing or possessing pseudoephedrine related products.?

The Moore Republican says offenders who don?t register could face up to ten years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000.

The bill now heads to the Senate for consideration.

Vendzilla · 07-31-2010, 04:29 PM

so you have to show your license to buy cold medicine? Is there going to be a 14 day waiting period?
Thats fucked up

$5 submissions · 07-31-2010, 04:31 PM

Doesn't this conflict with that Supreme Court case overturning "status" crimes a few decades ago? That aside, I wouldn't be surprised if they carve out an exception like they did for the sex offenders registries.

Agent 488 · 07-31-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

so you have to show your license to buy cold medicine? Is there going to be a 14 day waiting period?
Thats fucked up

read much?

Vendzilla · 07-31-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

read much?

I was being sarcastic, I read too much sometimes
In California at least, they put the drugs that they can make meth from behind the counter already, I don't use cold medicine much if I can help it. I also know that most meth abusers, once they get off it, if they can, have a problem using those drugs.
I read about whats going on with drugs all the time, I love my medical green in California and grow every couple of years and want to keep informed about what they are doing to try to keep me from it

kane · 07-31-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

so you have to show your license to buy cold medicine? Is there going to be a 14 day waiting period?
Thats fucked up

In my state most stores won't sell you more than 2 boxes of any kind of medicine that as pseudoephedrine in it and they keep it behind the counter. At my local Costco they actually make you sign a sheet when you buy it so they can keep track of how often they sell you it.

sicone · 07-31-2010, 04:41 PM

Doesn't really say how that will keep them buying it

DaddyHalbucks · 07-31-2010, 04:42 PM

Won't addicts/ dealers just find a way around it?

kane · 07-31-2010, 04:45 PM

BTW Oklahoma is controlled by smaller government more personal responsibility Republican party.

Vendzilla · 07-31-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

In my state most stores won't sell you more than 2 boxes of any kind of medicine that as pseudoephedrine in it and they keep it behind the counter. At my local Costco they actually make you sign a sheet when you buy it so they can keep track of how often they sell you it.

same about the quanity in california too

alias · 07-31-2010, 04:49 PM

Never really fucked with meth.. .

JustDaveXxx · 07-31-2010, 04:55 PM

Convicted Narcotics offenders already have to register for 7 years after convicted in California.

When cops run your drivers license, they already know what crimes you have committed in the past.

Nothing special here.

$5 submissions · 07-31-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

In my state most stores won't sell you more than 2 boxes of any kind of medicine that as pseudoephedrine in it and they keep it behind the counter. At my local Costco they actually make you sign a sheet when you buy it so they can keep track of how often they sell you it.

I've wondered about this. If the FDA/DEA knows that a sizable chunk of OTC pseudoephedrine is going to be "cooked" into meth why not just end its OTC status? Aren't there many other non-"cookable" substitutes in the marketplace?

Robbie · 07-31-2010, 05:05 PM

All of this is the govt. over reaching into people's lives.

I first ran into this problem when I was sick as hell and tried to send my 15 year old into the drugstore to get me some nyquil.

Fucking BULLSHIT. I had to drag my half dead ass into Walgreens running a fever and buy my own nyquil.

All of this is just ridiculous. It's NONE of the govt.'s business if people want to get high or not. That isn't the govt.'s job.

And forcing people to "register" for anything after they have already served their time is also un-American.

If the govt. thinks "sex-offenders" (which they have expanded the meaning of the term just like they did "weapons of mass destruction") are too dangerous to be free in this country then either execute them or never let them out of jail.

When I see things like this happening, all I see is the govt. taking our freedom. All I see are the majority of American's being tricked into giving their rights and freedoms up to the govt. without a fight.

The govt. takes these hot topics like "sex offender" and "drug addict" and use the worst case scenarios into scaring us "normal" folks into saying: "Yeah, that's a great idea! Let's keep them under control".

But to me, it means WE lose our rights and freedoms.

As I said, if we as a society agree that certain crimes are so bad...then let's never let them free again.

And if the govt. wants to somehow equate a guy raping a 2 year old (a REAL sex offender) with the same crime as a man having sex with a 16 year old slut...then that is just WRONG.

And if they want to decide that people getting high somehow constitutes the GOVT. dictating to you and me what we can and can't buy at the fucking store...does nobody else see a problem with this?

Was the United States founded on the govt. deciding everything we can and can't do in our lives and then controlling us while they tax us to the ground to pay for the privilege?

kane · 07-31-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

I've wondered about this. If the FDA/DEA knows that a sizable chunk of OTC pseudoephedrine is going to be "cooked" into meth why not just end its OTC status? Aren't there many other non-"cookable" substitutes in the marketplace?

For some things there are. For example, I get hay fever in the spring. There are a ton of allergy medicines that don't have ephedrine in them, but there are still others that do. As far as cold medicines, I would guess there are, but I don't know for sure.

Smokieflame · 07-31-2010, 05:14 PM

I praise them for trying but this law is just retarded. I live in the eastern edge of Metro Phoenix area (Apache Junction if you are familiar with AZ) and we have a MAJOR meth problem, it is made there, distributed there and children use it there along with there parents. I personally think the laws should be much harder for this evil ass drug. I think if you are busted as a user 2-3 years worth of counciling and drug testing/treatment should be mandatory for first offense. If you are caught selling it you should get the same charges as if you are caught selling LSD, 5-10 years in prison for first offenders.

kane · 07-31-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

All of this is the govt. over reaching into people's lives.

I first ran into this problem when I was sick as hell and tried to send my 15 year old into the drugstore to get me some nyquil.

Fucking BULLSHIT. I had to drag my half dead ass into Walgreens running a fever and buy my own nyquil.

All of this is just ridiculous. It's NONE of the govt.'s business if people want to get high or not. That isn't the govt.'s job.

And forcing people to "register" for anything after they have already served their time is also un-American.

If the govt. thinks "sex-offenders" (which they have expanded the meaning of the term just like they did "weapons of mass destruction") are too dangerous to be free in this country then either execute them or never let them out of jail.

When I see things like this happening, all I see is the govt. taking our freedom. All I see are the majority of American's being tricked into giving their rights and freedoms up to the govt. without a fight.

The govt. takes these hot topics like "sex offender" and "drug addict" and use the worst case scenarios into scaring us "normal" folks into saying: "Yeah, that's a great idea! Let's keep them under control".

But to me, it means WE lose our rights and freedoms.

As I said, if we as a society agree that certain crimes are so bad...then let's never let them free again.

And if the govt. wants to somehow equate a guy raping a 2 year old (a REAL sex offender) with the same crime as a man having sex with a 16 year old slut...then that is just WRONG.

And if they want to decide that people getting high somehow constitutes the GOVT. dictating to you and me what we can and can't buy at the fucking store...does nobody else see a problem with this?

Was the United States founded on the govt. deciding everything we can and can't do in our lives and then controlling us while they tax us to the ground to pay for the privilege?

I've said in the past that I thought the market would ultimately take care of the drug problem if all drugs were legalized. For example, my brother works in construction. If there is any kind of accident on the job site everyone on the site has to take a piss test. If you have drugs in your system, there is a good chance you will get fired. They also randomly test and you could get fired if caught. So people that have jobs like that would have to make the choice. If they want to get high, they risk losing their job over it.

Many companies drug test already so a lot of people would never do the drugs simply because of that. If all drugs were legal I think more and more companies would drug test (if they felt having employees who might be high was a problem of theirs) and this would control the use of it on its own with no need for people to be arrested and thrown in jail.

alias · 07-31-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

I praise them for trying but this law is just retarded. I live in the eastern edge of Metro Phoenix area (Apache Junction if you are familiar with AZ) and we have a MAJOR meth problem, it is made there, distributed there and children use it there along with there parents. I personally think the laws should be much harder for this evil ass drug. I think if you are busted as a user 2-3 years worth of counciling and drug testing/treatment should be mandatory for first offense. If you are caught selling it you should get the same charges as if you are caught selling LSD, 5-10 years in prison for first offenders.

Good luck with your site Smokie!

Agent 488 · 07-31-2010, 05:28 PM

lol at being jailed 5-10 for lsd. what a joke. selling it should be legal. shows how insane the drugs laws are.

L-Pink · 07-31-2010, 05:44 PM

The cops now track product purchases online with MethCheck, a new program that keeps tabs on consumers purchasing cold medication. The customers license is scanned with each purchase.

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Robbie · 07-31-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

lol at being jailed 5-10 for lsd. what a joke. selling it should be legal. shows how insane the drugs laws are.

I don't think the govt. should be allowed to classify drugs as "legal" or "illegal"
It's none of their fucking business.

If somebody does drugs and commits a real crime then arrest them for that.

Instead we are filling up our jails and ruining people's lives arresting them for drugs because they MIGHT act like the movie "reefer madness" and go berserk.

It's total bullshit if you step back and really look at it. And again...what would the founding fathers think of this? We are practically slaves to the govt.

Even the immigration "problem" that everybody is debating. The govt. has gotten us so conditioned to them being in control of all of us that one of the main arguments against Mexicans illegal immigrants is that they use up all of our "social services" and cost taxpayers money.

I say BULLSHIT. The REAL problem IS the social services! THAT is what costs the taxpayers money and shouldn't exist to begin with. At least not at the levels that our govt. has grown to.

In my opinion, this country was NEVER meant to have such things.

And yet, most people are angry that illegal immigrants might be getting some kind of welfare.

It's the old misdirection used by magicians. People SHOULD be angry that there is welfare for immigrants to have to begin with.

$5 submissions · 07-31-2010, 05:51 PM

That was one of the "advantages" of the Lochner era of the US Supreme Court. The "rational basis" standard for Congressional/fed action wasn't being rubber stamped by the SCOTUS like they were monkeys on ritalin. The downside was they were too tight and needed laws like anti-child labor laws were unnecessarily held back.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't think the govt. should be allowed to classify drugs as "legal" or "illegal"
It's none of their fucking business.

If somebody does drugs and commits a real crime then arrest them for that.

Instead we are filling up our jails and ruining people's lives arresting them for drugs because they MIGHT act like the movie "reefer madness" and go berserk.

It's total bullshit if you step back and really look at it. And again...what would the founding fathers think of this? We are practically slaves to the govt.

Even the immigration "problem" that everybody is debating. The govt. has gotten us so conditioned to them being in control of all of us that one of the main arguments against Mexicans illegal immigrants is that they use up all of our "social services" and cost taxpayers money.

I say BULLSHIT. The REAL problem IS the social services! THAT is what costs the taxpayers money and shouldn't exist to begin with. At least not at the levels that our govt. has grown to.

In my opinion, this country was NEVER meant to have such things.

And yet, most people are angry that illegal immigrants might be getting some kind of welfare.

It's the old misdirection used by magicians. People SHOULD be angry that there is welfare for immigrants to have to begin with.

pornmasta · 07-31-2010, 05:57 PM

Cold Medecine is useless.

Robbie · 07-31-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

That was one of the "advantages" of the Lochner era of the US Supreme Court. The "rational basis" standard for Congressional/fed action wasn't being rubber stamped by the SCOTUS like they were monkeys on ritalin. The downside was they were too tight and needed laws like anti-child labor laws were unnecessarily held back.

Yeah, it seems like a rational common sense approach to anything is impossible for govt. to comprehend.

Every politician is so busy trying to get re-elected and look "tough" on "crime" that they spend all their time making up new "laws".

And the Supreme Court has been doing just what you're saying...rubberstamping everything.

This country would be a lot better off if fucking elected officials kept their day jobs and only convened and passed "laws" when it was neccessary. How many fucking laws do we really need? And how much more can they do before we have zero freedom left?

Smokieflame · 07-31-2010, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't think the govt. should be allowed to classify drugs as "legal" or "illegal"
It's none of their fucking business.

If somebody does drugs and commits a real crime then arrest them for that.

Instead we are filling up our jails and ruining people's lives arresting them for drugs because they MIGHT act like the movie "reefer madness" and go berserk.

It's total bullshit if you step back and really look at it. And again...what would the founding fathers think of this? We are practically slaves to the govt.

Even the immigration "problem" that everybody is debating. The govt. has gotten us so conditioned to them being in control of all of us that one of the main arguments against Mexicans illegal immigrants is that they use up all of our "social services" and cost taxpayers money.

I say BULLSHIT. The REAL problem IS the social services! THAT is what costs the taxpayers money and shouldn't exist to begin with. At least not at the levels that our govt. has grown to.

In my opinion, this country was NEVER meant to have such things.

And yet, most people are angry that illegal immigrants might be getting some kind of welfare.

It's the old misdirection used by magicians. People SHOULD be angry that there is welfare for immigrants to have to begin with.

I am sorry but I do not agree with you at all. If a drug will kill you, turn you into an addict or hurt your families life I think the govt has the right to make laws. People who are hooked on crack, meth and heroin will in fact break laws, steal, rob, even murder to get there fix when they have no money. These drugs are evil and control you. So preventing or attempting to prevent addicts from becoming addicts is needed worldwide. The minute we say "Well we cant afford to jail these addicts lets make it all legal" that will in fact reverberate thru our youth and they will think "Hey its cool, its legal... lets do it" and we will start having alot more kids die from drugs, alot more kids who would have gotten an education instead become addicts at 14... How is that good for a society at all???

I agree pot should not be considered a drug, but if you need a chemistry set to make the drug then you dont need the drug end of story.

cambaby · 07-31-2010, 06:10 PM

Do you realize how many things in this world you can get addicted to that will kill you? Tobacco, aspirin, snorting smarties, world of warcraft. We cant possibly regulate EVERYTHING?
I get fucking ID'd just to buy cold medication thats plain out bullshit because some of you people's parents didnt teach you how to not get addicted to shit. I say let the meth heads OD give them all they want.

Fucking drain on society anyways.

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

I am sorry but I do not agree with you at all. If a drug will kill you, turn you into an addict or hurt your families life I think the govt has the right to make laws. People who are hooked on crack, meth and heroin will in fact break laws, steal, rob, even murder to get there fix when they have no money. These drugs are evil and control you. So preventing or attempting to prevent addicts from becoming addicts is needed worldwide. The minute we say "Well we cant afford to jail these addicts lets make it all legal" that will in fact reverberate thru our youth and they will think "Hey its cool, its legal... lets do it" and we will start having alot more kids die from drugs, alot more kids who would have gotten an education instead become addicts at 14... How is that good for a society at all???

I agree pot should not be considered a drug, but if you need a chemistry set to make the drug then you dont need the drug end of story.

Smokieflame · 07-31-2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Do you realize how many things in this world you can get addicted to that will kill you? Tobacco, aspirin, snorting smarties, world of warcraft. We cant possibly regulate EVERYTHING?
I get fucking ID'd just to buy cold medication thats plain out bullshit because some of you people's parents didnt teach you how to not get addicted to shit. I say let the meth heads OD give them all they want.

Fucking drain on society anyways.

You do realize this type of mentality would do no good. Ya it may suck getting carded for medicine, but i would prefer to do that then have all the gangs that make these products just have free rain of our streets. Next someone is going to say the govt should make it themselves and sell it at Circle K for the tax money...

$5 submissions · 07-31-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

world of warcraft

You got this right! Can't emphasize it enough. WARCRACK is more like it. Now that Cataclysm is coming out and it will change the old maps, I'm sure there's millions of reformed / ex warcraft addicts getting a massive wave of the jonez.

cambaby · 07-31-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

You do realize this type of mentality would do no good. Ya it may suck getting carded for medicine, but i would prefer to do that then have all the gangs that make these products just have free rain of our streets. Next someone is going to say the govt should make it themselves and sell it at Circle K for the tax money...

rain / reign

here is a cluepon cutie, gangs already smuggle these products in from other countries en masse, they dont count on getting the product here.

controlling it at your local walgreens may save some toothless trailer trash but that bitch will just waltz her skinny ass down to the shady side of town and suck her local ms13 thug's cock till he coughs up some of his stash.

Edit: I really need to be the next Glen Beck or whatever the fuck his name is

Agent 488 · 07-31-2010, 06:31 PM

i agree. we aren't children.

let it rain.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't think the govt. should be allowed to classify drugs as "legal" or "illegal"
It's none of their fucking business.

If somebody does drugs and commits a real crime then arrest them for that.

Instead we are filling up our jails and ruining people's lives arresting them for drugs because they MIGHT act like the movie "reefer madness" and go berserk.

It's total bullshit if you step back and really look at it. And again...what would the founding fathers think of this? We are practically slaves to the govt.

Even the immigration "problem" that everybody is debating. The govt. has gotten us so conditioned to them being in control of all of us that one of the main arguments against Mexicans illegal immigrants is that they use up all of our "social services" and cost taxpayers money.

I say BULLSHIT. The REAL problem IS the social services! THAT is what costs the taxpayers money and shouldn't exist to begin with. At least not at the levels that our govt. has grown to.

In my opinion, this country was NEVER meant to have such things.

And yet, most people are angry that illegal immigrants might be getting some kind of welfare.

It's the old misdirection used by magicians. People SHOULD be angry that there is welfare for immigrants to have to begin with.

TheDoc · 07-31-2010, 06:39 PM

I grew up on the Oklahoma/Texas border. I helped clean up a couple meth labs that blew up in our area. One was in a trailer, back half of the place had to be gutted out. One was in a hotel room, floor above it had to be gutted out too. I've never seen or heard of a drug that does what that Meth does, to people or to property. BTW, that was about 16 years ago... It has gotten 'extremely' worse.

The problems with meth is the labs are mobile, easy to setup and cheap... Plus everything in that area is remote. Some areas don't have Sheriffs or Police. The housing (trailers) in some areas is cheaper than some people have ever heard of or thought possible, cheaper than our electric bills. People don't have the money to buy any half ass decent drug and meth is the cheap alternative for poor people.

In that area as well, people go to jail, they get out and the cycle repeats. Live in the same house, same people around, same friends and in no time they're back on the funk and if they ever got hooked on meth, almost certain they will setup a lab or get on meth again, and steal to get the money to do it. The cycle doesn't end unless they choose to change everything about the life they live, location, people, etc. And when you're dirt ass poor, that doesn't happen every easily.

I'm sure the above was a big reason for the law...

I would never support this for any other drug, but I do for meth and for sure they need to figure out something in that area, cause meth is completely out of control.

mgtarheels · 07-31-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't think the govt. should be allowed to classify drugs as "legal" or "illegal"
It's none of their fucking business.

Is it their business when the become so addicted, they're unable to afford any of their bills, lose their house and end up homeless?

Is it their business when they do nothing but panhandle every person they see, often times threatening them physically for money?

Is it their business when they apply for welfare or unemployment because they cannot keep their job and cannot pay their bills?

mgtarheels · 07-31-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

here is a cluepon cutie, gangs already smuggle these products in from other countries en masse, they dont count on getting the product here.

Wrong....

mgtarheels · 07-31-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I grew up on the Oklahoma/Texas border. I helped clean up a couple meth labs that blew up in our area. One was in a trailer, back half of the place had to be gutted out. One was in a hotel room, floor above it had to be gutted out too. I've never seen or heard of a drug that does what that Meth does, to people or to property. BTW, that was about 16 years ago... It has gotten 'extremely' worse.

The problems with meth is the labs are mobile, easy to setup and cheap... Plus everything in that area is remote. Some areas don't have Sheriffs or Police. The housing (trailers) in some areas is cheaper than some people have ever heard of or thought possible, cheaper than our electric bills. People don't have the money to buy any half ass decent drug and meth is the cheap alternative for poor people.

In that area as well, people go to jail, they get out and the cycle repeats. Live in the same house, same people around, same friends and in no time they're back on the funk and if they ever got hooked on meth, almost certain they will setup a lab or get on meth again, and steal to get the money to do it. The cycle doesn't end unless they choose to change everything about the life they live, location, people, etc. And when you're dirt ass poor, that doesn't happen every easily.

I'm sure the above was a big reason for the law...

I would never support this for any other drug, but I do for meth and for sure they need to figure out something in that area, cause meth is completely out of control.

Nowadays, all you need is a plastic soda bottle to make meth.

ThunderBalls · 07-31-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

All of this is the govt. over reaching into people's lives.

I first ran into this problem when I was sick as hell and tried to send my 15 year old into the drugstore to get me some nyquil.

Fucking BULLSHIT. I had to drag my half dead ass into Walgreens running a fever and buy my own nyquil.

All of this is just ridiculous. It's NONE of the govt.'s business if people want to get high or not. That isn't the govt.'s job.

And forcing people to "register" for anything after they have already served their time is also un-American.

If the govt. thinks "sex-offenders" (which they have expanded the meaning of the term just like they did "weapons of mass destruction") are too dangerous to be free in this country then either execute them or never let them out of jail.

When I see things like this happening, all I see is the govt. taking our freedom. All I see are the majority of American's being tricked into giving their rights and freedoms up to the govt. without a fight.

The govt. takes these hot topics like "sex offender" and "drug addict" and use the worst case scenarios into scaring us "normal" folks into saying: "Yeah, that's a great idea! Let's keep them under control".

But to me, it means WE lose our rights and freedoms.

As I said, if we as a society agree that certain crimes are so bad...then let's never let them free again.

And if the govt. wants to somehow equate a guy raping a 2 year old (a REAL sex offender) with the same crime as a man having sex with a 16 year old slut...then that is just WRONG.

And if they want to decide that people getting high somehow constitutes the GOVT. dictating to you and me what we can and can't buy at the fucking store...does nobody else see a problem with this?

Was the United States founded on the govt. deciding everything we can and can't do in our lives and then controlling us while they tax us to the ground to pay for the privilege?

Great fucking post

papill0n · 07-31-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Do you realize how many things in this world you can get addicted to that will kill you? Tobacco, aspirin, snorting smarties, world of warcraft. We cant possibly regulate EVERYTHING?
I get fucking ID'd just to buy cold medication thats plain out bullshit because some of you people's parents didnt teach you how to not get addicted to shit. I say let the meth heads OD give them all they want.

Fucking drain on society anyways.

youre the drain on society with retarded opinions like that

didnt there parents teach them how not to get addicted!!!!!!

ThunderBalls · 07-31-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

I am sorry but I do not agree with you at all. If a drug will kill you, turn you into an addict or hurt your families life I think the govt has the right to make laws. People who are hooked on crack, meth and heroin will in fact break laws, steal, rob, even murder to get there fix when they have no money. These drugs are evil and control you. So preventing or attempting to prevent addicts from becoming addicts is needed worldwide. The minute we say "Well we cant afford to jail these addicts lets make it all legal" that will in fact reverberate thru our youth and they will think "Hey its cool, its legal... lets do it" and we will start having alot more kids die from drugs, alot more kids who would have gotten an education instead become addicts at 14... How is that good for a society at all???

I agree pot should not be considered a drug, but if you need a chemistry set to make the drug then you dont need the drug end of story.

So basically what you're saying is society has no use for Rush Limbaugh.

Robbie · 07-31-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mgtarheels

Is it their business when the become so addicted, they're unable to afford any of their bills, lose their house and end up homeless?

Is it their business when they do nothing but panhandle every person they see, often times threatening them physically for money?

Is it their business when they apply for welfare or unemployment because they cannot keep their job and cannot pay their bills?

Let me answer those three scenarios:
1. No

2. Panhandling and threatening people is something that makes sense to arrest them for. Arresting them ahead of time "preemptively" is total and completely the govt. overreaching.

3. You are making another assumption. Some people ARE going to be failures no matter what. Whether they do it on alcohol or gambling or sex or drugs...the result is going to be the same no matter what you do.
So I would say "NO" and double damn NO because there shouldn't BE any welfare to begin with.

I don't like giving the govt. control over people. I don't feel one tiny bit "safer" in 2010 with a bajillion new drug laws every fucking day, than I did in the 1970's, 1980's, or 1990's. And I definitely don't feel "safer" (whatever the fuck that means) now that I can't send my kids into the drug store to buy some goddamn nyquil.

And SURPRISE! Drug use is UP. Not down.

The next "law" that should be passed is one that makes busybody lifetime politicians who don't really give a damn about you and me but pass laws to control us...ILLEGAL

Robbie · 07-31-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

If a drug will kill you, turn you into an addict or hurt your families life I think the govt has the right to make laws.

And I say the govt. has NO such "right

This is the United States Of America. We are SUPPOSED to be FREE. And free people should have the RIGHT to decide the course of their own lives.

The Govt. has NO rights. The people do. But we are surrendering them every day to politicians who are only in the game for power. And every law they write and everything they do is carefully constructed through opinion polls and extensive studies to earn them votes to keep them in power until the day they die.

Do you really think that the govt. cares about you or me? Or that any of them give a shit about anything but themselves?

Smokieflame · 07-31-2010, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

rain / reign

here is a cluepon cutie, gangs already smuggle these products in from other countries en masse, they dont count on getting the product here.

controlling it at your local walgreens may save some toothless trailer trash but that bitch will just waltz her skinny ass down to the shady side of town and suck her local ms13 thug's cock till he coughs up some of his stash.

Edit: I really need to be the next Glen Beck or whatever the fuck his name is

Actually if you would get a little educated on this subject you would learn a couple things...

First off Meth is NOT smuggled it is in fact made in trailers and cookie cutter homes in the neighborhoods you live in.

Second Meth production is a major income source for Biker gangs in the southwest, they take over small towns basically and produce massive amounts of it.

Third, if you leave the products that they use to make meth unchecked the amount of meth would go up by 1000% and it would be just like the late 90s when they were unchecked. The stronghold the biker gangs have on small towns would be 10 fold and we would all be dealing with higher amounts of robberys, burglaries, thefts, home invasions, basically all the things that hardcore drugs unchecked bring...

GatorB · 07-31-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

All of this is the govt. over reaching into people's lives.

You know NOTHING about meth. I guess when some methhead that lives next door to you lab blows-up you'll think twice about what you just said.

Agent 488 · 07-31-2010, 09:39 PM

meth should be legal. who cares,

Smokieflame · 07-31-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

And I say the govt. has NO such "right

This is the United States Of America. We are SUPPOSED to be FREE. And free people should have the RIGHT to decide the course of their own lives.

The Govt. has NO rights. The people do. But we are surrendering them every day to politicians who are only in the game for power. And every law they write and everything they do is carefully constructed through opinion polls and extensive studies to earn them votes to keep them in power until the day they die.

Do you really think that the govt. cares about you or me? Or that any of them give a shit about anything but themselves?

Im sorry but freedom does not give people the right to put me, my family, neighborhood, and property at risk. Such laws mitigate the risk that drug use brings. Like it or not it is a fact. Your idea of freedom sounds more like anarchy which isnt freedom its insanity.

Robbie · 07-31-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

You know NOTHING about meth. I guess when some methhead that lives next door to you lab blows-up you'll think twice about what you just said.

What does that have to do with our freedoms as Americans? I've smoked and snorted crank many times, and have known lots of guys who cooked it and sold it over the years as I traveled in my band. Whoopty doo.

Just because a few crazies take shit too far doesn't change the fact that the government is FAR overreaching and I don't need them to tell me what to do OR make yet another law.

Here's what another guy had to say about such things:

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson

Agent 488 · 07-31-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

Im sorry but freedom does not give people the right to put me, my family, neighborhood, and property at risk. Such laws mitigate the risk that drug use brings. Like it or not it is a fact. Your idea of freedom sounds more like anarchy which isnt freedom its insanity.

if a drug user does something illegal like steals your trailer then yeah arrest them. or of they attack you. not just because they take some substance.

this thread shows how much people have a slave mentality burned so deep into their brains they are totally unaware of it.

there is no need for a police state as everyone already has a prison in their heads.

GatorB · 07-31-2010, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

And I say the govt. has NO such "right

This is the United States Of America. We are SUPPOSED to be FREE. And free people should have the RIGHT to decide the course of their own lives.

Someone has the right to have an explosive and toxic lab right next door to you? Where is that in the Constitution? There's a HUGE difference between a meth lab and some hippie growing weed in his closet. If you don't have brains enough to see that then you define a new level of stupid.

Where is THIS in the Constitution?

http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs....ID=20107200307

Robbie · 07-31-2010, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokieflame

Im sorry but freedom does not give people the right to put me, my family, neighborhood, and property at risk. Such laws mitigate the risk that drug use brings. Like it or not it is a fact. Your idea of freedom sounds more like anarchy which isnt freedom its insanity.

No those "laws" do not. They don't make you ONE bit "safer"

Freedom is freedom. End of story. You can't be a "little bit" free. Just like you can't be a little bit pregnant.

Criminals don't obey the law. The bad guys who would put "you and your family and neighborhood at risk" (so melodramatic sounding) could give two shits about ANY laws.

They are STILL gonna break in and kill you if they want to. No law is gonna change that.

The ONLY thing these laws do are take YOUR rights away from you.

I don't remember growing up and reading about the history of this country and seeing a part that read: "And the government will have the power to decide what you can and can't do and can make laws against 'just in case' things that may or may not happen"

Nope, I don't remember that dictatorship bullshit at all.

I remember growing up reading that we were FREE. And that we fought wars against countries that did that sort of thing.

Smokieflame · 07-31-2010, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I've smoked and snorted crank many times, and have known lots of guys who cooked it and sold it over the years as I traveled in my band. Whoopty doo.

You do realize you just admitted to every webmaster, producer and model that you are a tweaker right??? You know people who cook the shit? WTF kind of friends do you have??? Im not above some drugs, hell I roll a few times a year. But METH?? You are trying to condone the use of the evilest nastiest drug on the planet??? Have you seen what it does to people? I mean really????

GatorB · 07-31-2010, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

What does that have to do with our freedoms as Americans? I've smoked and snorted crank many times, and have known lots of guys who cooked it and sold it over the years as I traveled in my band. Whoopty doo.

Just because a few crazies take shit too far doesn't change the fact that the government is FAR overreaching and I don't need them to tell me what to do OR make yet another law.

Here's what another guy had to say about such things:

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson

How do you think meth is made you fucking retard? It IS obvious you've doen drugs. It's rotted your brain. You've done crank? What a fucktard? What kind of dumbass does that shit. peole who do shit like that hardly even get cured. In my opinion they should be shot and put out of their misery. Frees up prison space and gets rid of a problem plaguing society. win-win.

Smokieflame · 07-31-2010, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB

How do you think meth is made you fucking retard? It IS obvious you've doen drugs. It's rotted your brain. You've done crank? What a fucktard? What kind of dumbass does that shit. peole who do shit like that hardly even get cured. In my opinion they should be shot and put out of their misery. Frees up prison space and gets rid of a problem plaguing society. win-win.

I so agree

07-31-2010, 04:29 PM	#2
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	so you have to show your license to buy cold medicine? Is there going to be a 14 day waiting period? Thats fucked up __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

07-31-2010, 04:31 PM	#3
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Doesn't this conflict with that Supreme Court case overturning "status" crimes a few decades ago? That aside, I wouldn't be surprised if they carve out an exception like they did for the sex offenders registries. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

07-31-2010, 04:41 PM	#7
sicone Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Sac Posts: 18,453	Doesn't really say how that will keep them buying it __________________

07-31-2010, 04:42 PM	#8
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	Won't addicts/ dealers just find a way around it? __________________ Boner Money

07-31-2010, 04:49 PM	#11
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Never really fucked with meth.. . __________________ https://porncorporation.com

07-31-2010, 04:45 PM	#9
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	BTW Oklahoma is controlled by smaller government more personal responsibility Republican party.

07-31-2010, 04:55 PM	#12
JustDaveXxx I AM JUSTDAVE ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: LA Posts: 4,111	Convicted Narcotics offenders already have to register for 7 years after convicted in California. When cops run your drivers license, they already know what crimes you have committed in the past. Nothing special here. __________________ Smut Peddler Productions.com ICQ #378-696-435 / / Skype: JustDaveXxx "We shoot custom, exclusive content your way"

07-31-2010, 05:05 PM	#14
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	All of this is the govt. over reaching into people's lives. I first ran into this problem when I was sick as hell and tried to send my 15 year old into the drugstore to get me some nyquil. Fucking BULLSHIT. I had to drag my half dead ass into Walgreens running a fever and buy my own nyquil. All of this is just ridiculous. It's NONE of the govt.'s business if people want to get high or not. That isn't the govt.'s job. And forcing people to "register" for anything after they have already served their time is also un-American. If the govt. thinks "sex-offenders" (which they have expanded the meaning of the term just like they did "weapons of mass destruction") are too dangerous to be free in this country then either execute them or never let them out of jail. When I see things like this happening, all I see is the govt. taking our freedom. All I see are the majority of American's being tricked into giving their rights and freedoms up to the govt. without a fight. The govt. takes these hot topics like "sex offender" and "drug addict" and use the worst case scenarios into scaring us "normal" folks into saying: "Yeah, that's a great idea! Let's keep them under control". But to me, it means WE lose our rights and freedoms. As I said, if we as a society agree that certain crimes are so bad...then let's never let them free again. And if the govt. wants to somehow equate a guy raping a 2 year old (a REAL sex offender) with the same crime as a man having sex with a 16 year old slut...then that is just WRONG. And if they want to decide that people getting high somehow constitutes the GOVT. dictating to you and me what we can and can't buy at the fucking store...does nobody else see a problem with this? Was the United States founded on the govt. deciding everything we can and can't do in our lives and then controlling us while they tax us to the ground to pay for the privilege? __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-31-2010, 05:14 PM	#16
Smokieflame Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 596	I praise them for trying but this law is just retarded. I live in the eastern edge of Metro Phoenix area (Apache Junction if you are familiar with AZ) and we have a MAJOR meth problem, it is made there, distributed there and children use it there along with there parents. I personally think the laws should be much harder for this evil ass drug. I think if you are busted as a user 2-3 years worth of counciling and drug testing/treatment should be mandatory for first offense. If you are caught selling it you should get the same charges as if you are caught selling LSD, 5-10 years in prison for first offenders. __________________ Sig too big https://gfy.com/the-round-table/950962-rules-live.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT AVN DOT com

07-31-2010, 05:28 PM	#19
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	lol at being jailed 5-10 for lsd. what a joke. selling it should be legal. shows how insane the drugs laws are.

07-31-2010, 05:44 PM	#20
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	The cops now track product purchases online with MethCheck, a new program that keeps tabs on consumers purchasing cold medication. The customers license is scanned with each purchase. .

07-31-2010, 05:57 PM	#23
pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,324	Cold Medecine is useless.

07-31-2010, 06:39 PM	#31
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I grew up on the Oklahoma/Texas border. I helped clean up a couple meth labs that blew up in our area. One was in a trailer, back half of the place had to be gutted out. One was in a hotel room, floor above it had to be gutted out too. I've never seen or heard of a drug that does what that Meth does, to people or to property. BTW, that was about 16 years ago... It has gotten 'extremely' worse. The problems with meth is the labs are mobile, easy to setup and cheap... Plus everything in that area is remote. Some areas don't have Sheriffs or Police. The housing (trailers) in some areas is cheaper than some people have ever heard of or thought possible, cheaper than our electric bills. People don't have the money to buy any half ass decent drug and meth is the cheap alternative for poor people. In that area as well, people go to jail, they get out and the cycle repeats. Live in the same house, same people around, same friends and in no time they're back on the funk and if they ever got hooked on meth, almost certain they will setup a lab or get on meth again, and steal to get the money to do it. The cycle doesn't end unless they choose to change everything about the life they live, location, people, etc. And when you're dirt ass poor, that doesn't happen every easily. I'm sure the above was a big reason for the law... I would never support this for any other drug, but I do for meth and for sure they need to figure out something in that area, cause meth is completely out of control. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 07-31-2010 at 06:43 PM..

07-31-2010, 09:39 PM	#42
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	meth should be legal. who cares,