No, they don't.

And if they have a lab that could explode...then that is a crime.

Of course if drugs weren't illegal there wouldn't be any reason for that to happen. No need to hide from the law to cook it. And no, not all meth is made in the house next door to you. A lot of them are made in remote areas far away from other people. The smell of meth cooking is pretty strong. And nobody wants to lose millions of dollars because the neighbors called the authorities over the strong toxic fumes.

You're doing exactly what the govt. does.
Pointing out the worst cases and scaring the shit out of yourself over it.

Fact is those are relatively small percentage wise. Most guys who do it for a living are a little more crafty than that.

And I'm pretty sure that despite your fears...you have a higher percentage chance of being struck by lightning while at the same time scratching off the winning numbers on a 50 million dollar lottery ticket while standing on your head, than you do of having a meth lab blow up next to your house.

Name calling. So adult of you!

Yes I've done crank. Did it with truckers all over the country in different nightclubs I played at. But snorting it burns like hell and smoking it can fuck up your teeth. And it doesn't really get you high. Just gives you a ton of energy.

So I MUCH prefer snorting cocaine. And if I get real lucky...I LOVE doing blotter acid.

And you're right about one thing...meth is SUPER addictive...to people with physiologies geared to addictive behavior especially.

Neither me, nor any of the couple hundred band mates I played with over the years were ever addicted to anything (except the dozens of alcoholics I worked with). But I do know people who have gotten extremely addicted to meth and ruined their lives.

Is that any of your business? Or mine? Or the govt.?

No. It's not. It's the individual who has to take responsibility for their own actions.

I'll leave the name calling up to you. I'll stick to my belief that the govt. manipulates people and scares the shit out of them to control them.

That is NOT what this country is supposed to be.

It is UN-American to take away our freedoms. You can childishly call me names all night long and it won't change the definition of freedom.

Freedom is NOT arresting people because the govt. has made up laws based on propaganda that says if they take drugs they MIGHT do something bad.

I "admitted" WHAT???

That is bullshit of you to say. I am not a "tweaker". Who the fuck do you think you are to say that to me?

I never "condoned" anything. I do agree it's nasty.

But who are you to come on this industry board and say that to me? I will now make damn sure that IF I ever hear your name come up amongst industry people (which it never has and probably never will), I will make DAMN sure that conversation isn't a good one regarding you or your website or your career in porn.

That is downright slander aimed at me in a discussion of freedom.

You are the one who admitted you know people that make the shit... Talk shit about me i really can careless LOL. I do my thing, I make good money at it, thanks for threatening me tho it makes me happy to know i pissed someone off who admitted they condone and use the most horrible drug in the world. I am pretty strong hearted on this subject as I have lost friends to this drug. You going to tell me its no ones business when mothers, sisters, fathers and brothers are losing there loved ones to this drug???

You are right on one thing, criminals will do there own thing, but atleast when it is illegal if they are caught they are forced to get help with it. Which IN FACT does help people NOT all people but some... In your ideas we should not help those who are a little weak. In your idea if a 13 year old gets hooked on meth they should be allowed to OD... Thats fucked up and anyone who thinks that way can talk all the shit they want about me.

I would imagine that depends on what part of town you live in.

What would you say the odds are of all that occuring at once? 1:500 million? 1 in a billion? I'm pretty sure more meth labs than that have blown up (either accidentally or on purpose by some rival gang).

But I see what you're saying, the odds are low. Agreed. But I'm sorry, drugs like meth and crack need to be taken seriously by the authorities, and laws made that are stiffer, not more relaxed. The fallout impact of these drugs on society wreaks utter havok in so many ways, lives, and families, that I see no way in hell they're ever going to be made legal, and no amount of bitching about it on a message board will change that.

I didn't "admit" anything. I've traveled the world and known every kind of person you could imagine.

And I'm glad you are so happy to make an enemy of me and slander me on this board. You called me a "tweaker" which is a meth ADDICT.

How the fuck does knowing people who cooked it (newsflash: there are "those guys" in EVERY nightclub and tittybar in the world...but you obviously don't get out much) and/or snorting a couple of lines of it in the 1990's and deciding I prefer cocaine...how the fuck does that equal "Tweaker"

No. You just overstepped the bounds. You just accused me of something and worded it in a way that was meant to try to hurt my business.

I'm not going to "talk shit" about you. I'll probably never ever speak your name. But IF your name comes up from my friends and would pertain in any way to a money making situation for you? I'll simply tell them what you wrote in this thread.

I don't know why you would choose to make an enemy out of me. But you did.

I was only giving my opinion on the govt. controlling our lives. You chose to slander me.

Where the hell did you read that? Absolutely false.

I agree that there may be some things that are very dangerous. But I am very reluctant to give power over to the govt. in any way.

First they make methamphetamine illegal right? Good job! So now there won't be a meth "problem" anymore!
Wrong. Meth use immediately escalates.

So then they make mini-thins that we used to buy at the convenience store to stay awake and lose weight....illegal! :(

But still meth use keeps going up and up and up.

So NOW you can't even buy a fucking bottle of cough medicine without getting carded? And SURPRISE! Meth use rises anyway.

That's what I'm pointing out. The fact that these "laws" are useless to stop people from doing what they want. And the only people having things taken away from them...are us: The people NOT doing meth. :(

Just for the sake of clarity, the term you want is libel. Slander is spoken, libel pertains to the written word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

Ok carry on... :D

Thanks man... :)

I think the real term for me on this would be: "She really pissed me off and said something to me that was out of line"

Is that a term? :1orglaugh

LOL Dude seriously i didnt accuse you of shit! You straight up said you use the shit. In my experience with this drug once you are a user you are a user. I know people that use coke casually, but i do not know anyone that uses meth, crack or heroin casually.... Call me an enemy for standing up for my beliefs I dont care really. And I hate to tell you this but i am sure half the people reading this agree with me.

Also I do 0 business in Vegas so I am very sure you wont ever have my name come up in your conversations. And if you think I am worried about 1 person ruining my ability to make money you are very mistaken my friend.

Fact is, you stated you deal with people who use, and make this drug, you admitted you use this drug or atleast have. Your ideas of freedom are more like the ideas of anarchy, and you are in fact condoning the use of an evil drug in your posts. SO If me calling you out makes an enemy so be it. I wasnt accusing you of anything I was going off what you said dude.

So do you dumbasses think alcohol should be illegal too? That kills and ruins far more lives than any illegal substance. Are you proud of the fact that we put people in cage for years over something they put in their own bodies? Drug abuse is a health issue, not a criminal one, unfortunately to many profit from drugs being illegal.

Personally, I'll be happy when we start finding and colonizing new planets. Then we can select a nice one far far away, round up all the meth heads and serial rapists/murderers and chronic multi-repeat offenders of any serious crimes against humanity and ship them off to live there.

I hope I live long enough to see it so I can say good riddance.

The funny thing is the bulk of meth now comes from Mexico.

Back in the day if you wanted cheap bathroom crank, you got it from Appalachia. If you wanted good crystal shards you'd get them from Phoenix, Oregon or CA (or other western cities).

Now a lot of it comes from the Mexican cartels. There are still labs throughout the US but they do not produce the bulk of it ... just a few pounds here and there.

Well now there are two people in this thread saying you are wrong. I used daily for a long time and stopped on May 26, 2002 with one additional use almost two years later to the day. None since.

The people that cannot give up drugs are the people that cannot accept their lives for what it is. Those that wake up one day, look around and realize it was more fun on the other side can and will get clean. From ANYTHING.

Nicotine is the most addictive drug in the world (far stronger than heroin, coke, meth or anything else) and people give it up for good every day.

You forgot pornographers.

You qualify to be a poster boy for..."This is your brain on drugs." You are not discussing freedom...you...being a druggie...want the fear of arrest removed...period.

They get a whole other planet all to themselves. :D

Number one: You don't seem to have any "experience"

Number two: I do "0 business" in Vegas as well. This is the internet. And I never said I would ruin your ability to make money. I said very clearly that when I am talking to other people in this business (I make money with over 400 different programs), IF your name comes up and my opinion is asked...it will be negative.

If that doesn't bother you then fine.

And just to be very, very clear. You called me a "tweaker"
That was totally uncalled for and complete bullshit. You don't know me and you don't know my personal experiences which are obviously COMPLETELY different than yours.

But just like the topic I was discussing...you PRESUME that you know best, just like the govt. thinks it does.

Well, I am a grown man. I don't need you or anybody else tell me how to run my life. That is called FREEDOM.

But even freedom has it's limitations. And you calling me a "Tweaker" and expounding on it in this statement:
That is a direct attempt to hurt my business and my money. Of course it won't work. I personally know everybody in this business that I make money with and have partied with all of them.

But it still was YOU trying to attack me personally. I don't seem to remember doing that to you. All I did was give my perspective on govt. taking over our lives.

You jumped the shark and decided to come at me "GFY style".

What you failed to realize is...the clowns you see on GFY who do that kind of shit are all failures who hide behind nicknames and nobody even knows who they are or if they are in this business.

But you and I aren't those people. You and I are folks who ARE in this business. And personally attacking somebody like me who COULD make money with you...just isn't something that makes a lot of sense to me.

The irony of adult...

People on this board feel they can sit in judgment of others but do not find it fair that the majority of society sits in judgment of them.

Look up at the address bar and consider the industry you're in before you try to pass judgment on another.

(I'm guilty of doing it, too)

I think you are correct about alcohol ruining more lives...but did you ever stop to think that it may because it is a legal drug...thus far more people use alcohol...than an illegal drug. What would be the stats if illegal drugs were to be made legal?

You got me man. :disgust

I'm also a pornographer. But I don't care about freedom. I just want the fear of arrest removed...period.

I'm also a property owner, father, husband, musician and a million other things. I always thought people were complex.
But hell, you've narrowed it down for me. I'm just a "druggie"

And I do have a "drug problem"...I haven't done ANY drugs in months. I really need to get out and have a few drinks and find a couple of lines of coke. I'm working way too hard. And I don't want to lose my "druggie" status.

For the record I've purchased a fair amount of cold medicines and cough syrups and flu liquids over the years. Being where I am where it's a 6 month winter every year it kind of goes with the territory. But I have never once been even so much as looked at sideways for buying any of it, much less asked to show ID or behing hassled in any way about it.

I'm pretty sure we have the odd meth lab kicking around, but I guess the problem isn't as out of hand as it is in larger cities and in the US.

Ask Amsterdam about pot. And while you're at it...that same argument has been made about prostitution. Ask Amsterdam about that too. And oh yeah, gambling. That same argument has been made against gambling...just ask us here in Vegas about that.

The only thing the US law did was drive production to Mexico.

This means more lives lost in the drug war and more money going south of the border.

It hasn't done much of anything except put production into the cartels hands. Remember, in Mexico pharmaceuticals do not require a prescription -- you can order 300 cases of that stuff to your house (err, lab) and nobody will care.

I wouldn't be surprised if usage has gone up now that supply has gone up.

OK i do give you the fact that me saying you are or were a tweaker was a bit harsh. I took what you said a bit wrong. There is a diff between a user and an addict and I am very sure if you were an addict you wouldn't even be able to find this website. So ya my bad on that one. Again i go back to the fact that I am very strong felt about this subject form personally losing very good friends to this drug, along with heroin and pills (have yet to meet a crackhead LOL) But seriously you cant say that what you said is not condoning the use of drugs that kill people... Lets agree to disagree and I will gladly apologize for calling you a tweaker that was over stepping my bounds. I do not know you, did not know you were a traveling artists, so that said I had no idea you were talking about work acquaintances as you said "I have friends who cook it up" I took that as they are your personal friends that you hang out with.

However if a disagreement over drugs and freedoms makes an enemy of someone who is a business person then so be it. I actually do care, I am not here trying to piss people off. I am just strong hearted on certain subjects and YES I have stuck my foot right in my mouth on some of those subjects. That's life i guess.

you buy cases of it?

This is why we need a Great Wall of Mexico. Would stop our black market being ran by Mexico. However without laws it would run ramped end of story.

Wouldn't matter...they have KICKASS submarines now.

We've given them billions of dollars ... they can afford to evade our law enforcement.

Like in the movie Blow... when you have rooms overflowing with $100 bills and your biggest problem is trying to figure out where to store the cash... you can invest in new technologies.

I really do not have to ask anyone...as I have personally known many people in my lifetime...whose lives have been destroyed...by alcohol...legal and illegal drugs...as well as gambling and prostitution. All of them can lead to horrible addictions/health problems. A person that I am very close to currently...does not have control of their life...drugs do. The addiction began due to an injury about 10 years ago while being provided drugs legally. Just lost a job and had a car repoed...the next thing will be eviction. I have bailed this person out multiple times but I do not intend to this time...as it just enables.

A lot of people don't like pornographers, but last time I checked pornography was legal.

I don't have a problem if a family member wants to sit and look at porn, no skin off my rump. If they want to get into it as talent that's entirely another matter. I would likely try to dissuade them, but in the end if they're old enough legally then it's their decision. But getting addicted to meth, crack, whatever, that I DO have a problem with. Call it "sitting in judgement" all you want, it's a serious and all too often tragic problem that plagues a lot of families, and mine is no exception.

I have a niece who put my entire family through hell for several years before she finally fled the province (leaving her three small children) because of criminal warrants. Her and her idiot boyfriend were breaking into people's homes in order to fuel their habits. She broke into her own mother's house and stole from her several times. She broke into my other sister's house and stole a pile of stuff, then later when the cops were put onto her trail she threatened and traumatized her aunt (my sister) for years.

I'll go have a beer with a group of "dirty pornographers" any day over a group of meth or crack heads.

That sounds like a person with a problem. But it shouldn't take freedoms and rights away from the vast majority of people who don't have problems.

I've seen a thing or two in this world. And one thing is for sure...some people are just genetically wired to be addicted.

But most aren't. And I say...if a person steals or robs or kills or rapes then let's throw their ass in jail.
If they are partying and getting high and NOT breaking any other laws...then let's keep the govt. OUT of it. That's all I'm arguing. It's NOT the role of govt. to do this.

Again, I say...Do YOU think that any politician or govt. official is sincerely worried about YOU. I don't. I think that every new controlling law that has nothing to do with crime and everything to do with social engineering is just a way for them to consolidate power that the founding fathers never meant them to have.

You think building a huge wall is going to stop drugs from Mexico? Ever heard of planes? Tunnels? Boats? I guess it is true Arizona is slowly becoming the state with the lowest IQ.

No, but I doubt Robbie was trying to buy a case of it either when he was hassled at the store about it. Point being, there's a difference in how this problem affects one's life and it's based on where you happen to live. Which is what I said in one of my earlier posts in this thread.

some people like an intrusive government because it makes them feel less lonely.

The other side of that is me. I've had countless (literally) -- figure every 3 to 4 months for the last 10 years -- surgeries, tons of painful scar tissue, a growth on my spine and the list goes on.

I was first prescribed opiates in 2006. I have had only two increases in dosage. Aside from the Crohn's issues, I live a normal life.

At this point I could be on enough opiates to the point where I could not get out of bed if I wanted to. When I complain of increased pain the first thing the doctor offers is to increase my dose. The answer is NO! I know that it will eventually subside.

Your friend doesn't want to get off drugs. Plain and simple. If he did, he would go on Tramadol, which is a non-narcotic that tricks the brain into thinking it is narcotic. It is not even controlled by the DEA. He could take that for six months and wean himself off opiates.

How do I know this? When my pain is manageable and I don't need the heavy stuff, I switch myself to Tramadol and it keeps withdrawal away.

Nancy Botwin had a nice tunnel coming right into the back room of her maternity store!

God, I cannot wait until the new episode of Weeds starts this month.

I will admit it right here publicly. I am addicted to the show Weeds.

TWEAKER!!!!! :mad:

It was a joke jeez. I understand a wall wont stop shit.

:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I have a standing order for Vicodin and Morphine patches...because of mind numbing pain I suffer with 24/7 due to injuries received during Desert Storm in '91. I also have been through a pain management program. I seldom medicate...though up until a few years ago...I did self medicate with alcohol. I just eat the pain.

So there you go, you prove my point! :thumbsup

In other news, there are morphine patches? I'm always hooked up to the pump in the hospital but I didn't know they made morphine patches. Or are you talking about Fentanyl patches?

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We've got to stop this giggling! They'll accuse us of being high!

Smokie Flame. I'm not really gonna ever say anything bad about you to anyone.

I just felt you were way out of line saying that about me. I wouldn't ever go out of my way to hurt somebodies business. Especially someone like you who has their own site and is working to make a living.

I only said that to get you to see that perhaps you should take it easy with name calling on here. People like us have to keep our eyes on potential future business. Most of the guys on here that viciously name call and personally attack others do it anonymously because they enjoy trolling.

Morphine.

However, the old "one (or a few) bad apple(s)" theorem applies all too often in such cases. The problems and the shit caused by others often does end up negatively affecting everyone. If these people would just stay at home and do their drugs and never bother anyone ever then the laws made to control them would in all likelihood be far less pervasive to everyone.

I get what you're saying there and agree with it in part, but I absolutely hate the side of it where addicts use it as a copout. A good part of me thinks, bad genes or not, these people still all had minds of their own going into it, and with the power of choice we all have they still opted to use until addicted, and then keep using until lives are ruined, jobs lost, homes forclosed on, kids taken and ultimately supported by... the state, as in the evil controlling governement.

I don't see it as being as simple as that though. These addicts all too often can't afford to support their habit much less pay for health insurance or medical bills. When they do go for treatment it often takes many tries, many months, even years before they're able to put their lives back together. All they can afford is free treatment, who is paying for it? The state, the government, and ultimately... you.

In other words it's the government's problem whether they make laws about it or not.

I was all set to post another big drawn-out argument here but eh... you're probably right. :D

But I think we can agree that something has to be done. I see moves being made with the stiffer more comprehensive laws etc, but I've also seen a lot of improvement over the years in the medical treatment aspect of the problem that you're pushing for. I believe there has to be a balance, not just one and not the other. And another thing I think most will agree on is that we (as a society) have a long way to go before we hope to get a decent handle on the problem.

Gangs ABSOLUTELY smuggle pseudoephedrine into this country. I didnt say METH was smuggled in, the COMPONENTS that are controlled or watched are. What you fail to understand is that even if the government passes stricter laws on the components here in the USA, GANGS WILL STILL SMUGGLE IN THOSE INGREDIENTS. It curbs NOTHING.

I can tell a lot of you porn fucks have been addicts before.