D Ghost

Some in South Korea dispute the official version of events: that a North Korean torpedo ripped apart the Cheonan.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul...rpedo-20100724

whoops

While N.K are fucking crazy, it's not really suprising if this turn out to be true.

erooup

It's a false flag operation. Hillary want to belive North Korean is the devil, she wants everyone else to think it as well, and she will position every data to make it appear she is right.

Right now you have to wonder who is more out of touch with reality - Clinton or North Korean.

Luscious Media

"...the Cheonan hit ground in the shallow water off the Korean peninsula and then damaged its hull trying to get off a reef."

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MrBottomTooth

I'm not exactly an experienced sailor, but how would hitting a reef cause an explosion?

sortie

I think that NK would have been proud to have sunk the ship because they would
have believed it to be warranted and would have never denied it.

The fucking ship ran aground.

WMD all over again.

This is actually one thing about Clinton that I didn't like : she is still beating the
same old drum towards NK and Iran that the Bush team was beating.

The thing is that South Korea is democratic and it is excepted and expected that
democratic governments openly seek the destruction of communist nations.
So how can SK live in peace next to NK when they openly pray for the destruction
of the NK government. Not realistic, but democratic ideologs have problems ever
believing that their policies and rhetoric are antagonistic.

The existence of communism is a reality, like it or not.
We(democratic nations) will either live with that or kill them.
There is no rhetoric whatsoever from democratic nations that we will live
with communism still in the world.

We "make the fight"; because we don't promote changes to communism,
we only promote the destruction of it.

WTF do you expect their leaders to do?

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sortie

You're not exactly an attentive reader either :

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MrBottomTooth

I was not referring to that article. Every other news story I have seen on the story said there was an explosion.

such as:
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...puted-waters/1

MrBottomTooth

even the ship's captain reported an explosion.

The Cheonan split in two and started sinking shortly after an explosion at the stern around 9 p.m., according to the ship?s captain, Choi Won Il, who was among 58 survivors.

Spilt in two because it hit a reef? Riiiiight.

docputer

So the North Korean torpedo fragments they found were planted?

sortie

Got links?

I'd accept that evidence.

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Dirty Dane

Do we even need such excuse to free the people of NK?

sortie

We haven't freed Palestinians with all the excuses we have so yeah, we need one.

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Dirty Dane

Two different things. But yes, the Palestinians deserves better than Hamas. Their election was not exactly democratic.

sortie

Oh, so things were great before Hamas?

I guess you got that yarmulke on real tight to be confused about who the fuck
Palestinians need to be liberated from.

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L-Pink

Could it have been a mine? I'm sure they are floating around those waters.


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bronco67

"The critics, mostly but not all from the opposition, say it is unlikely that the impoverished North Korean regime could have pulled off a perfectly executed hit against a superior military power, sneaking a submarine into the area and slipping away without detection. They also wonder whether the evidence of a torpedo attack was misinterpreted, or even fabricated."

Isn't the country impoverished because all of the money goes into its military?

So let me guess -- this is an indirect accusation at the US.

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Dirty Dane

Well, I do not want to attack Israel because the Palestinian militant leaders refuse to live nextdoor to jews and put their people into suffer instead. That's not going to solve anything. Hamas is the problem and even without jews, they would still force themselves to power.

Similar, the NK leadership abuse their authority. Even more. It's total control and anyone trying to object or escape will be shot or placed in camps. Including families and friends. It's the same as Pol Pot did and it's not acceptable.

sortie

Then please STFU then.

Thanks.

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sortie

Can you give me a domain with less motherfucking dots in it.

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Dirty Dane

You gotta work on your reasoning. Your logic is the same as if the man living next to you were beating his family, you wouldn't report it, unless he made some harm to you. That's irrelevant and what's going on elsewhere is also irrelevant.

DaddyHalbucks

Hillary and I don't agree on much, so this is a cause for celebration.

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sortie

Dude, you'd celebrate a fart if it had stars and stripes.

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sortie

PS: That article listed a "Korean Font" as evidence.

Question :

Does this shit really have an italic :

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directfiesta

.. and was not black ...

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Doug E

I've said from day 1 it was probably bullshit. North Korea would have claimed doing it had they done it intentionally unless it was some rogue or accident bullshit but theyd probably still claim it after they realized there was no retaliatory bombing/invasion coming, as always.

One guys theory is a US nuclear sleeper sub not involved in the training exercise at the time had sunk it mistaking it for a NK threat. He has good arguments for it but it could have been any number of things and the US moved to capitalize on it. We'll probably never know, there will be so much BS spun once the mainstream media starts printing it that only the genius conspiracy theorists will know 'exactly' what happened. The people involved that actually do know won't even know what to believe at the end of it.

Other than the massive amount of civilian casualties on both sides of the DMZ (a very big other) I've got no problem seeing the NK government fall. It should have been done in 52/53. Had Macarthur had more support from the presidents office the thing would likely have been nipped in the bud and not allowed to drag out for 57-and-who-knows-how-many-more years.

My thinking is US intelligence has seen a big opportunity with the upcoming transition of power, has made contacts within the military/government there and has the chance to push the current administration to collapse and has maybe enough support for a coup or at least support to help stabilize the country soon after what ever may happen happens. There's no way with the money the US is bleeding with two inherited wars that Obama would allow these stiff sanctions right after this very possible mocked up incident. It's a huge provocation by the US gov and wouldn't be done if they didn't have good reason to believe the Kim Jong Il government is folding or will fold if they give it a little push over. A huge provocation assuming I and others are correct in believing the SK vessel was not sunk by NK. But fuck it, I'm probably wrong and this shit will drag out for another 50 years with some retard running North Korea, sipping cognac or whatever he drinks these days in his harem of slave whores while his people eat dirt and starve all the while as South Koreans rightfully live the good life in what is quickly becoming one of the most advanced countries in the world on what should be one of the most advanced peninsulas in the world.

Mr. Cool Ice

Looks like another Golf Of Tonkin to me.

False Flag all the way. There needs to be a reason for war.

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MrBottomTooth

Can you use google? It was a well known news story. I thought maybe you'd like to see what they are saying in Korea as well, so that is why I used that link. Sorry if the korean domain extention somehow invalidates the story for you.

Sly

I'm not so sure that North Korea would have claimed it.

Have they claimed bombs? Yes, sure. Did people die during those bomb tests and missile tests? No, they did not.

North Korea needs China very much. Without China, they are fucked. If North Korea simply came out and said "hey guys, we claim that submarine attack!" China would be put in a very difficult position and would quite possibly be forced to squeeze North Korea. That would be a very, very bad situation for China.

Claiming the attack would also put North Korea at odds with its own people. Don't forget that North Koreans and South Koreans still have family and friends across the border. I don't think publicly admitting "hey guys, we killed your cousins" would go over the greatest. Of course, they could lie to their own people about it while bragging to the rest of the world... but I'm not so sure that would stay under wraps very long.

Who knows. North Korea is nuts. One of these days they will finally push too hard and their people will suffer even more because of it. I hope the high-ranking officials are enjoying their iPods today, they might not have them much longer.

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PR_Glen

Titanic split in two and it just hit some ice...

False claims of attacks by the US have been documented to have happened in the not so distant past so denying the possibility is pretty ignorant...


I'm not saying it did or it didn't happen here, i'm just saying believing everything you are told by government and newspapers and never asking questions is something that would have ALL our forefathers and founders of our countries rolling in their graves...

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