Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers

Very good point. But here's another point:
Bands and music are very FAN based. If you are a big fan of a certain band or musician you WILL buy it to "support" them. Just like sports fans support their teams.
For instance, I know that Mick Jagger and Keith Richards don't need my money. And I can definitely find their stuff for free. But as a FAN, I still buy their stuff. It's what a fan does.

That doesn't relate to the cookie cutter porn sites out there. Or even niche sites. Yes, sites like Claudia-Marie have real fans, as do other popular personality sites. And CM's fans join and stay and when they have to leave they write me at support and apologize for leaving and promise to come back as soon as they can.

But if it's just a guy who likes "big tits" and doesn't have any preference to whom those tits are attached to...then that Nine Inch Nails analogy doesn't work at all. It won't help Nasty Dollars sites for instance, to give all their shit away and expect folks to buy it anyway. They won't.

[QUOTE=Robbie;17372347]I'm not sure how much revenue any of that would bring. I am sure it wouldn't be even close to what I make selling memberships.

Well Reznor made 750k. In three days.



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Using our exclusive content as a loss leader to sell lesser things that don't rebill would probably cause me to just shut it down and move to another business.

I didn't suggest you did that.

It's not either or.

The model Reznor made work was releasing the album for whatever it was, $15. Then the limited edition stuff was REALLY expensive.

So if you wanted the limited edition print, that was an extra 250. If you wanted the dinner, that was 5k. Etc.

I wasn't suggesting you give away your content. I was explaining you have something that is impossible to pirate and impossible to give away for free. CM herself. I wonder how much a real fan would pay to have lunch with her. 500? 5000? 20000?

Just trying to throw out some ideas. Not tell you how to run your clearly successful business.

it aint a party till the peanut gallery starts analyzing shit.

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650 unanswered questions from operators of shady tube sites...



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only 14 pages?

14 pages is actually quite large, as are the 16k+ views.

The numbers would be higher if Nathian / Fabian Thylmann had have been more forthright about his known associates, such as the currently indicted O-u-i-s-s-a-m Youseff (minus the hyphens), and Stephane Manos ("Cheeks"), and then there is Matthew Keezer (Matt Keez), and Salam Said.

Oh well, their day will come in court. It's just a matter of time.

Since all of the above are likely foreigners, that day could come sooner than later, if they attempt to enter into the US anytime in the near future (since the FBI and Interpol, keep pretty good track of suspected criminals). If you think that you are in their cross-hairs, I would be afraid, very afraid:







If you are involved in any kind of shady/criminal activity, beware that law enforcement are probably on the lookout for you, and may be on-hand when your flight lands in the US.

I'm sorry if this inconveniences you, but if this concerns you, than maybe you shouldn't be involved in shady/illegal activities.



Roll the dice, pay the price...

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Who doesn't launder money these days? I'd rather take my chances trying to filter it than pay it all to a government that doesn't know what to do with it.

And so, in the end, the people put aside their differences, and they all agreed... yes, indeed... the internet really was a series of tubes. Yes, tubes. Tubes large enough for cats to run around in and play and make merry and become overnight sensations in.

Because they were such nice pussies!

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You sure have been the cocky one is this thread, for being a picture and video site owner. While you may still be doing ok sales wise and you may not be relying on affiliates, your days are numbered as well. I don't buy that your business is still doing great and if it still holding its own it will decrease over time with all of the other picture and video sites. Unless you offer live cams, or a ton of interaction you will go the way of all of the other sites closing down.

Sure the shit cookie cutter sites, that never updated and was built around cross sales are going first. But don't be so confident it will stop there. Those of you doing business with tube sites like pornhub are helping to supplement your sales some because of the customers you are plucking from the tube site where as the other companies with their content being stolen and put up on tube sites are losing sales to tube sites and gaining nothing.

Here is the deal, the tube site is hoarding a lot of the traffic on the net now. You and a small group of companies are doing deals with these tube sites to split up the "x" number of buying customers on the tube site. I'll give you an example.

Lets say 100K people find a tube site for the first time every day. (these are example numbers) Lets say of those 100K people 1K would have went on to be a porn buyer if they didn't find the tube site first and the full length videos. Of those 1K people, now only 100 is still willing to buy, the other 900 are satisfied with the full length videos. Now lets say that you and 9 other companies are featured heavily on that tube site. For the sake of examples, lets say that those 10 companies benefit from those 100 sales, they each get 10 sales a day. So even though 900 potential buyers were lost, you still made 10 sales, so what the hell do you care right? So what if you and those other 9 companies are the only ones benefiting from tube sites, where as those 900 sales didn't go other companies, so you don't care.

I truly believe what I explained above is happening. I believe the people who worked out deals on tube sites are making decent sales from it, because of shear volume but at the cost of the entire industry because so many potential porn buyers dont end up buyer because they found the full length stuff for free and that satisfies them enough vs paying $30 a month, potentially being crossed sale to death, not being able to cancel, getting bogus charges, etc.

Now here is the problem for those people like you Far-L. You doing good "now" but your days a limited as well because:

1. It's only a small group of companies like you working with the tube sites. But that wont last long, the tube site doesn't care about making sure the pool is small so the people involved get a big piece of the pie and a lot of sales, they care about having a ton of content. So people like Nathan will pick up as many companies as they can get so he can add as much content as he can to his site. So today you might be splitting it 10 ways, in six months or a year you might be splitting it 100 ways. So your 10 sales a day goes down to 1 sale a day.

2. In my example, those 900 that don't buy. Well that is 27,000 over the course of one month, as the number grows more and more each day you better believe that some of those people would have found your site somewhere else and paid. So you are losing potential sales because of the tube site. Don't be naive, you making sales from the tube site but you will have a net loss at some point even with your content on there with links back to you. Once the tube site is saturated with advertisers + the large number of potential buyers decreasing daily that find the tube site for the first time, you will see a net loss in the near future.

3. credit card crunch and declines, it is affecting everyone.

You might be a fast tough little dinosaur that made a deal with the devil for protection but sooner or later the comet is going to wipe you all out and the devil could give a shit. Enjoy your cockiness and continue to think you won't be affected by all of this... that attitude will ensure your own demise even more. I would suggest either starting your own tube site, or a cams site.. and praying you are good at one of them.

Shap can come on here and talk shit. He is one of the few who can, he owns some great tube site names and built his own tube sites where he controls the traffic and can control how the pie gets split up and how many of the sales his tube site generates can go to him. Far-L you have no room you be cocky, all you have is a picture and video site and dealing with the tube sites might cause you to hang on longer but it wont save you.

I'm better off than you, by being skilled in promoting cam sites. Tube sites aren't going to crush my sales, but it will crush your business ultimately.

Please, I thought you already promised to get off my jock and here you are, back on it and trying to ride me like a cowboy into the sunset before the final credits roll.

First off, calling me arrogant and then explaining to me how I am going to fail just pretty much makes you a self absorbed all assuming jackass. Climb off your high horse there cowboy. Seriously kemosabee, you better check the six gun before you start shooting blanks. Saying that all we do is pix and vids just proves to me how little you know about Homegrown Video and what we offer. Maybe if you actually realized how well we convert/retain off tubes you would back off a bit but I doubt it. You are too busy being so right and thinking I am so wrong that you could never even begin to comprehend the folly of your position.

By your own logic then even you are going to fail. Even cam sites are turning to a new "free" model in case you haven't been paying attention.

If you want to call us a "dinosaur" then you should probably realize that we are more like a tortoise or crocodile or one of those prehistoric reptiles that has been around for millions and millions of years. (Newsweek - "Homegrown Video is the longest running series in the history of porn") We are not one of those old school brick and mortar porn valley companies that sold off the library. If you actually were paying attention to the Acacia thing and understood that then you might have a better idea, but I don't think you think so much as react and act like a child about things.

Btw... did Newsweek, GQ, Marie Claire, US News, HBO, CBS, ABC, etc. etc., ever do a story on you camboy?

High noon hits and you are going to be the one eating the dust and feeding the crows you tenderfoot hayseed yellowbelly cuss.

I was off your jock, just pointing out the obvious and adding to the discussion. It would have been nice if you could have just re-fruited what I had to say and entered into a good discussion.

Thanks for more arrogant replies like " did Newsweek, GQ, HBO blah blah blah blah" do stories on me. You living in the past bro. Who did what on you in the past means shit going forward in regards to making money. The times are changing daily, while you may have been featured for something 8 years ago or even 3 that means shit now. I know you the cool guy with sites mentioned in the media so i have no right to talk and you the cool guy who spent a lot of money fighting acacia so I have no right to talk. But what you don't realize is that thinking that way doesn't make you a cool guy, just a pompous ass who thinks his opinion is the only one that matters to be heard because everyone else doesn't have the accolades that he has.

Reread your reply, you spent 80% of it on trying to bash me and brag about yourself. You spent very little if any disproving what I posted about. The only "knock" I made on you was you being cocky and arrogant, I think most people would agree after reading your replies.

As fas as cam sites being affected by sites like myfreecams, go do GFY search, its been commented on and explained by me and other people knowledgeable on cams several times. Go educate yourself on cams if you like and read those threads, i know whats going on with cams, if you have something new you think you have to offer feel free to share.

Btw, how is homegrown an interactive site and so much more than just pictures and videos? So people submit real home made stuff to you... it's still all based on pictures and videos, all your stuff that they can obviously be stolen and found for free on a tube site. Explain to me the value in the "experience" of being a member of your site that makes it worth paying $59.95 ? educate me, instead of insulting me and bragging about yourself... or is that all you are good for... patting yourself on the back and insulting other people.

btw, if you the main guy running the company then your attitude is going to be your down fall. You are so high on your past success you can't see the headlights of the freight train heading your way, you are so full of yourself and what you company DID that you not going to know what hit you in the end.