You compete with free by offering stuff they can't get for free.
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That's true. And unfortunately I'm in the PORN business.
My entire business model isn't designed to sell them "stuff"
It's designed to sell porn.
And I can't make this kind of money by selling them adult toys or dick pills. I need to sell them what they really want: porn.
So I guess I'm screwed.-Robbie
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Robbie, there are lots of affiliates that can send 1000 hits a day. Maybe they aren't sending to you, but they are out there.
Not that 1000 hits means shit anyway. It could be 1000 trash traffic hits, its sales that matter.
I can send you 1000 hits a day for about $4 does that make me a genius too ?ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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I would think the biggest benefit to him posting here is people know who to go to whether it be to do business with them or to be acquired. I believe he said it early on in this thread if you are selling hit us up.Comment
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Well Said.I just read every post in this thread and this one stood out as the one worth commenting on. It is correct from the start to the end.
None of you can compete with free. There is no adapting to the current business model. There is free and there is not free. That's it. It just so happens that free holds all the traffic and dominates the search engines. If any of you had any real business sense at all you would understand that.
Very few will pay for something if they can get it for free or something close enough to it for free. Why would you? You could pay for a $29,950 car that is exactly what you want or you can take the free car that is very close to what you want, but it's free and you save $29,000. Which would you take? $29,950 vs $29.95 is relative. Free is free. Regardless of the market the vast majority of people who always choose free when it is an option.
The question was also raised about boys looking at porno. I started at the age of 13 looking at bra and panty ads in the paper. That was my porn until I found Playboy around 16 years of age. Now, a boy of any age can look at hardcore pornography for free, anytime day or night. There are no restrictions. Those who are running these sites are providing hardcore porno to minors, plain and simple. Then again, so is everyone with a free tour that is explicit.
There is but one way to do this, but you will never do it. Each and every one of you MUST boycott any company that does business with these sites. From hosting to billing to those who buy ads there. It will be painful but I assure you that however painful it will be, it's not going to hurt as much as you're going to hurt in two more years by doing nothing. Most of you will be out of business by then.
One good hosting company needs to stand up and declare NO to illegal tube sites, file hosting or any other site that falls under that category. Everyone then needs to leave their current company for that one. The other hosts will get the message and soon get on board. Support only those who support you in return. NO EXCEPTIONS. NO BROS. NO EXCUSES.
The same goes for your sponsors, web cams, 3rd part billers, companies like NATS and MPA3, everyone. Boycott EVERYONE who supports these sites. Only then will changes happen. Yes it will be painful, but not as painful as what is coming.
Of course this will never happen, but I have given you 1 solution. You have the power to resolve a lot of your own problems but are all afraid to act. No one wants to be the odd man out or the lone cowboy in this industry.
Good luck. Most of you won't be here in two more years.
I'd just add that one problem now is so many of them are no longer ILLEGAL. The amount of traffic a lot of the legal tubes have and the number of sponsors that have bent over to provide content to them has really put a hurt on that strategy. We honestly had a chance to do that 3 years ago. It could have worked. I don't think that strategy would work now. It's too far gone and too many people are hurting real bad to take that chance. 3 years ago everybody could afford to do it but couldn't be bothered.
As an industry we fat lazy greedy cunts. Every single storm we've had to face we've caused be either turning a blind eye or playing a part in it.Comment
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I understand what you are saying and what he is saying. I think what Robbie is saying is there used to be a lot of significant affiliates. 10+ sales a day 5+ sales a day etc. Now those numbers have dropped substantially. I know my strategy for our paysite business is simple. Affiliates are icing on the cake but to survive and be relevant in 2, 3, 5 years from now we have to be really good at buying and converting traffic. It's that simple. You have to control the traffic yourself. If you can do that well then you'll obviously be able to make affiliates happy and continue to get their traffic.Robbie, there are lots of affiliates that can send 1000 hits a day. Maybe they aren't sending to you, but they are out there.
Not that 1000 hits means shit anyway. It could be 1000 trash traffic hits, its sales that matter.
I can send you 1000 hits a day for about $4 does that make me a genius too ?Comment
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No, I was referring to real affiliate traffic from my former big affiliates who sent golden traffic directly from their niche free sites. Real surfers clicking a link because they have real interest.Robbie, there are lots of affiliates that can send 1000 hits a day. Maybe they aren't sending to you, but they are out there.
Not that 1000 hits means shit anyway. It could be 1000 trash traffic hits, its sales that matter.
I can send you 1000 hits a day for about $4 does that make me a genius too ?
What I see are those same ones that were sending mega traffic a couple of years ago...now sending hardly any. And yet I see them promoting the shit out of us on their sites. And I talk to them personally and I see the traffic numbers for their sites in free fall just like the rest of us.
I know what you're saying about buying some shit traffic and sending it. But that's not what I'm talking about at all.-Robbie
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And that is the same thing I have heard over the last couple of years from nearly every program owner I have spoken to at shows. Part of the evolution of things.I know my strategy for our paysite business is simple. Affiliates are icing on the cake but to survive and be relevant in 2, 3, 5 years from now we have to be really good at buying and converting traffic. It's that simple. You have to control the traffic yourself. If you can do that well then you'll obviously be able to make affiliates happy and continue to get their traffic.-Robbie
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If that's the case, how do people in bottled water industry compete? Simple, they made public think they have a superior product, when the reality in most cases tap water is actually better quality but they marketed the exact thing people can get for free in a way that makes people want to buy it.
I know that it might be a bit tougher with porn, but I have a few ideas on how to make that happen...
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I already tried that...I told people that my porn is superior and safer...but they didn't fall for it.If that's the case, how do people in bottled water industry compete? Simple, they made public think they have a superior product, when the reality in most cases tap water is actually better quality but they marketed the exact thing people can get for free in a way that makes people want to buy it.
I know that it might be a bit tougher with porn, but I have a few ideas on how to make that happen...

But seriously, I hope to God you do come up with a doable solution. I already came up with mine for Claudia-Marie.Com
But that doesn't help me as an affiliate trying to make sales to all these programs that are being destroyed by piracy.-Robbie
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That is the wrong analogy.If that's the case, how do people in bottled water industry compete? Simple, they made public think they have a superior product, when the reality in most cases tap water is actually better quality but they marketed the exact thing people can get for free in a way that makes people want to buy it.
I know that it might be a bit tougher with porn, but I have a few ideas on how to make that happen...
This is not a matter of tap water vs bottled water. This is bottled water for sale at 7-11 vs free bottled water, the same bottled water that is inside 7-11, being given away in the parking lot of 7-11.
You would not be able to compete with free bottled water if your business was selling bottled water. Especially if they made the free bottled water available EVERYWHERE you were selling your bottled water. You'd fail. It would only be a matter of time.NUR COOL UND GEILComment
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bingo!!!that is the wrong analogy.
This is not a matter of tap water vs bottled water. This is bottled water for sale at 7-11 vs free bottled water, the same bottled water that is inside 7-11, being given away in the parking lot of 7-11.
You would not be able to compete with free bottled water if your business was selling bottled water. Especially if they made the free bottled water available everywhere you were selling your bottled water. You'd fail. It would only be a matter of time.-Robbie
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This attitude is poor and is usually used when one does not have a dog in the fight or much to lose. I'm sure everyone who is a professional is desperately trying to keep their head above water already. You do not need to remind them.
You can not adapt to free in this industry in terms of running a pay site. You can only die. Maybe not tomorrow. Maybe not in 1 year. Maybe not in 2. But it will happen sooner or later if this trend continues. It will happen to the biggest and smartest of them.
I smoke a pack of cigarettes a day. I pay for them. If I was given the option to get the same brand of smokes for free, guess what I would do? I may even drive a little further to get them. Now lets deliver them to my home. I can pay to have them delivered, usually paying a little more for the convenience of it all, or I can have them delivered totally free.
Not only are they totally free, but my 14 year old son can get them too because they don't care how old they people are they give them too, unlike the store and unlike the company that makes you pay for deliver. So now my 14 year old son is now a smoker, but he will also be a life long smoker thanks to these free smokes delivered to our house daily. He will NEVER pay for smokes again in his life because he has grown up getting them for free.
This is a losing situation. It really is. Porn is a unique product and it has to be sold, not given away. You can not outsmart free, none of you can. You can only hope laws are changed in your favor somewhere along the line and that the business model of free porn becomes less profitable for those running the sites, which will in turn result in less sites, much like the pay sites that are dying now.NUR COOL UND GEILComment

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