Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers

I don't think that simply by selling the company they relieved themselves from their pending legal wrangles involving money laundering and copyright violations...

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Ok.... if I can't see them stealing then there is no proof. If there is no proof then it is ok for me to do business with them because I need the sales....


Who am I ?

Any answers?

all kinds of them..............

Mansef is being taken to court; both by the US Federal government on illegal banking/money laundering charges (as it was reported), and by Pink Visual and their parent company (Ventura) over copyright violations.

Soon after both lawsuits were filed (months ago), Mansef was sold to Virage Media / Manwin (who we still have very little info about).

So far as I know, both lawsuits are still moving forward.

Meanwhile the frontman for Manwin, Nathan / Fabian Thylmann, has been less than forthcoming about answering questions regarding the company which has taken over Mansef's assets.

See this thread for the questions the self-proclaimed Managing Partner of Manwin has cowardly ducked from for days now:

http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17348326

To continue with answering your questions, several significant adult industry copyright cases have in fact successfully been waged and won, or settled out of court, to the benefit of the suing company (the plaintiff).

If you were a content producer, then you would understand what some of the "bitching" is about, since it shouldn't be too hard to understand that if you spend significant money to create content, you wish to profit from the content you created, and decide whom else may or may not financially benefit from it as well. At it's essence, that afterall is what copyrights are all about.

Stealing is a violation of the law and wrong, and hiding behind loopholes in the law, is both morally and ethically, equally wrong. Unfortunately, some people in this industry are severely lacking in morals and ethics, or are willing to get in bed with what I can only regard as thieves, in a feeble attempt to protect their stake in the biz, not fully realizing that once they have exposed their vulnerability and weakness to the predators, it will only be a matter of time until they are devoured by the same predators whom they have supplicated themselves/their companies before.

It is undeniable that the DVD market is reeling, and pretty much on its knees, from their content being ripped off (or them selling off old catalogs in a desperate attempt to remain in business), and with internet pirates ripping and offering tons of their content (much of which was originally shot exclusively for DVD) for free on tube sites who are subsidizing their bandwidth and profiting using stolen/unauthorized content (like the bandits they are), by making money from companies advertising other non-video products (pills, dating services, cam shows, toys, etc), or upselling memberships to even more/better content (much of which is also alleged by some to be stolen).

In doing so, they have massively drained the traffic (the life-blood) from the traditional internet-based affiliate programs and paysites.

On top of all this, shamefully, many of the largest producer/content reseller companies are being co-opted, or are offering up snippets of their content, in what almost appears to be a quasi protection racket (extortion), to ensure that the bulk of their content is not wholesale stolen and uploaded, in exchange for relatively meager profits or link-backs posted alongside several upsells and traffic leaks which they gain no benefit from whatsoever, which likely yields very little to them for their cooperation/participation, compared to what they might otherwise make if they would band together to fight content piracy, and create a better, more equitable, infrastructure for the industry as a whole.

Don't get me started about the producers such as Brazzers and Mofos (aka Mansef) that are/were behind many of the worst offending tube sites themselves, despite their lies and deception about not being involved.

And still some would defend these people?!?

I blame fear, greed, and short sightedness, for much of the problem.

Many can attest, that even though I am a small independent producer, I have been on the front lines of the anti-piracy effort from the beginning. I do not wish to bow down to the people whom have been instrumental in destroying much of the industry as most of us know it.

I will continue to fight what I believe to be the good fight, and stand up for my beliefs. I am fortunate that I have mainstream business interests which are independent from my adult businesses (I actually operate several web sites, not one), so I am not dependent upon adult for my livelihood, even though I do fairly well in adult, and have plans to grow my adult businesses as best I can, given the current state of the economy and the industry.

I am also optimistic that the laws will eventually catch up with the technology, and that many of the people/companies behind the recent demise of the adult biz as we know it, will eventually be brought to justice, and be driven out of the business through stricter enforcement, and through the non-cooperation of industry people/companies with better business morals and ethics.

Well, hopefully, I've answered your questions theking (even though you won't answer even one simple one of mine, which is to name what adult web sites you currently operate/work for?).

Now if only Nathan / Fabian Thylmann would quit being a coward, and come in and answer my straightforward and simple questions honestly (see earlier link in this thread), maybe more people might trust him and his company.

Absent that, I do not think that he or his company are worthy of trust from honest and ethical people or companies in the adult industry.



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Sen. Mike Bennett Caught Looking at Porn on Senate Floor

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I think I am such a great guy and champion of the people but really I am just a little dick with a big ego... who am I?

I am about to jump out here because it is just getting ridiculous but I just want to say that I still call you a friend, one of the few people I would trust in this biz, and one of the only ones here that contributed anything worthy of debate and discussion here. We may have different ways of dealing with this issue and opposing views on the matter entirely but I respect where you are coming from. Sorry that our way of dealing with it would cause any friction or misunderstandings, but we all have to pick our own way through the minefield of day to day biz so to speak. War is hell.

Maybe one day we will laugh over a beer and one or the other will get the privilege of an "I told you so".

I understand Farrell. I assume that you know I have been consciously avoiding debating with you precisely because I do consider you a friend, and one of the most knowledgeable people in the business.

You have articulated your positions quite well, and while I might not agree with all of them, I do understand them.

I am not trying to be a gadfly here, I genuinely would like to see the questions which I posed to Nathan / Fabian answered. To me, that would go a long way towards establishing whether we will see any real changes with Mansef / Manwin, or if it will be just more smoke and mirrors, and business as usual.

Finally, I don't think that it has to come down to an "I told you so" moment between you and I, since there is certainly more than one way to conduct business, and I like to think that our friendship runs deeper than that.

I wish you well, and look forward to having that beer with you before too long...

P.S. I was just up in Seattle recently, and thought about calling you, but I was dealing with my Dad passing away, and so I spent time with my family while up there instead. I'll definitely call the next time I'm up that way - you're a lot more fun to hang out with than my relatives, lol.

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Will76... respect to you too for using an open source image to mock me with. At least that shows that you not a hypocrite about content copyrights. Respect.

You aren't a bad guy and I apologize for busting your balls. You are free to criticize us as you see fit. Hopefully, you can hear me on these simple points. We don't condone theft of content. We know that all the "user" submitted tubes exist in a grey area of being considered "theft" - and this is true for mainstream as well, ie, YouTube before it was cleaned up, etc. We took the time and effort and expense to weigh this problem in depth and decided on a course of action that is highly controversial. We did not make the decision lightly.

You say they are "theives" but forgive me, until that is proven by something like the PV lawsuit, or government crackdown, or whatever, I have to go by innocent until proven guilty. People call Google and Bing theives for the same reasons. Do you think they are? I have not had the problems others encountered. Why should I go by anything else that people I don't even know claim? How do I know their intentions? What if someone claimed someone you work with and have only had a good experience with was bad? Would you go by the accusation of someone you don't know or the experience of your own relationship? We work with Google and Bing to make money, even though they "stole" a ton of our content. Right or wrong. Ethical or unethical? If only it were so simple.

I know that sharing this has prompted such criticism and ridicule but hopefully people can see that there are a lot more intricacies to this than just who or who didn't upload content. On that count, it is not a matter of us not caring as people here accuse, it is a matter of taking control of the situation in a way that doesn't hurt us with costly litigation against an uncertain outcome, that can reverse a loss to a profit, and that adjusts to the ever changing landscape of how the industry evolves. We wish it could be as black and white as you see it, if it were, trust me, I would be in total agreement, but that is just not the case. For us, there are so many shades of grey and we have to find our own way through that fog. Sorry that we have to be at odds as a result.

Hey having a small dick is an inherited problem, being an asshole is a learned trait.

You do know that you also hot linked an image that you didn't own, unless you owned ratemydick and that was your image you posted? At least I didn't post nude content, without knowing the source, age of the person in picture etc... again unless that is a self picture then I apologize.

I'm not looking for anyone's respect I speak my mind. What I think about your actions in this thread and you doing business with pornhub and needing to see proof, blah blah, is your business philosophy not mine. I am saying what I think about it. Take it or leave it, it's my opinion. You jumped in to defend them, so you tossed it out there for everyone else to comment about. I didn't go looking for you or tried to drag you into this thread.

If you looking for respect or approval from people here for your actions, then I think you would get that if you were just honest with people and said you doing it because you want to make money. Instead of trying to defend pornhub with all of the bs no one is buying anyway.

You would have been the type that did well during the Terror in France. You just want heads in guillatines. So much so you don't even listen. I believe the following sentence clearly states that we had financial reasons for our decision, "it is a matter of taking control of the situation in a way that doesn't hurt us with costly litigation against an uncertain outcome, that can reverse a loss to a profit, and that adjusts to the ever changing landscape of how the industry evolves".

Notice how I used an image that kept the source advertising on it. I bet you a dollar that they appreciate the advertising to help drive traffic.

I am going back to eating my cake. You can eat some too.

Now... please... respectfully, get off my jock.

Great, well at least I can take comfort that my being an asshole will end with my death but not you... you are going to sire generations and generations of dicks. No wonder the world is so hard to change.

so its ok if i download all the content from the homegrown members areas, upload them to a tube site, but as long as i take it down when you find out i have it listed its ok?

apparently... as long as a "user" does it and not the site owner. So i can go start a tube site and you can be my "user" who uploads his content to it. Then you go start a tube site and I will be a user and upload his content to it. Then we legal and he is cool with everything, as long as we take it down when he catches us stealing.



your a douche, and everyone who reads this thread knows your a douche. I'll leave it at that and get off your jock now. Your own words speak 10x louder than anything I can post about you.

Enjoy your cake.