Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers

Fixed for ya!

What are you doing to address the problem? If you can't beat them join them?

lol, thanks for putting words I didn't say into my mouth. Still, you make a good point - I agree there is a fundamental and elemental revolution going on regarding Intellectual Property, copyrights, patents, etc.

I don't pretend to know how everything will shake out. I just know we are going to do our best to protect our content and survive in the current marketplace.

So Far-L, would you do business with The Pirate Bay? After all, there's no proof anyone working there uploaded a single torrent file. And they aren't required to comply with DMCA laws since it's a US law.

So by the rationale you've laid out to us, there should be nothing stopping you from seeing any problem with the ethics of The Pirate Bay.

Here's the thing man, you're entitled to do business with whomever you want. We can criticize you for it, but at the end of the day it's your decision to make as a business owner. Where I think you really insulted the intelligence of a lot of people is when you started down the path of "show me evidence" that Brazzers has ever done anything wrong. You're taking pages out of the Jules Denial Jordan playbook there.

Stick to your guns on your decision to do business with them, but don't come in here defending Brazzers like they're squeaky clean.

Seriously, first let me thank you for actually raising debatable points rather than just attacking me personally. The difference in Pirate Bay is they would not take content down and that is why they got into the hassles they got into, worldwide, regardless of US copyright laws, so that answer is provided based on the reality of how they conducted biz. Sure, we could post our clips there with some branding but that was all we could do to address them using our content without permission. Therefore they are a different problem and not the same beast of a problem as the tubes.

To say that I am denying what you and others say about Brazzers is inaccurate also. I am not going to determine their guilt based on what is essentially hearsay arguments and circumstantial evidence that runs counter to our own experience. I am suspicious of them but I am suspicious of you, Steve, and everyone else here and I don't trust anyone in this biz for the most part. However, for us, they are innocent until PROVEN guilty and not the other way around. I hope you get my point.

To sum it up... I don't defend their innocence or prove their guilt. I just found that we could address any problems we had with our content going up easily and professionally and in the way that market conditions dictated. Same with Youporn and other tubes that would take down our stuff with appropriate notices.

I am not familiar enough with the start of Brazzers to comment on what they did in the beginning, but knowing the history of this industry, the idea that people used content without permission is not a surprise. An inconvenience yes, but par for the course - albeit unfortunately.

Anyway, I feel like I am in the midst of the same deluge Shap went through on this score a couple years back.

Tell me how much you pay month to month on legal to address IP issues? If it is more than we do then I will bow to your efforts and give praise. But if we spend more then you should just bend over and kiss my ass...

Nathan/Fabian

Are you gonna comment on what ADG posted? This point particularly:


Or did your iPhone stop working?

Who said "don't answer the question you were asked, but they question you wish they have asked"?

McNamara mentioned it in "The Fog of War", but I forgot the original source.

seriously, fuck you and your "i am better than everyone" attitude because you spend this or that. Bottom line is everyone knows what you are doing here and no on agrees with you.

Your argument that " well they take down the stolen content when we ask " is just fucking lame.

They know there is stolen content on their site. They do NOTHING to stop it (key word being STOP it). They could put safe guards in place to prevent it from happening. If someone produced a homemade clip it would be easy for them to prove they owned it. For the studious and companies like yourself it would be easy for you to prove to them you own the content.

However those sites don't give a fuck, they dont care to control what content ends up on their site and they could give a fuck if there is stolen content or not. Them taking down a video when you ask is a laugh. Wow so IF you find your stolen content on their site they will take it down. Then the next day it is back up again. Then you have to find it again and ask again, then they take it down again. Oh look a couple days later it is back again, etc... its a fucking joke, being played on you. You are the monkey they are making jump through the hoop. And makes it even worst is that you convinced yourself that what they are doing is OK, because you don't do business with bad guys so you trying to convince us and everyone else that Porn Hub is a good site to do business with

Look at the responses here, it isn't like I am off in left field. Everyone disagrees with you even other program owners like yourself. Stop making excuses for them. What you are doing is like sucking their dick with the lights off and because you can't see its a guy you are trying to tell everyone you are not gay.

BTW, you have avoided the question of " how did all of the content get their in the first place if the site owner didn't go steal it". Asked about 3 or 4 times, you avoided it every time.

Sounds like something Kissinger would've said...

Kissinger would lie

Cut me a break. The only reason you feel threatened by me saying to prove you put your money where your mouth is because you actually haven't done anything other than bitch about stuff and you haven't actually done much to really do anything about this at all other than preach to the choir.

I have already answered your question - I said I don't know and I don't believe your version of events based on hearsay and I showed you the Bing example to give one potential example of how to start with content.

Now, calm down and try to remain professional. Just because I disagree with you is no need to get so piqued. If you stick to the topic maybe people will actually learn something - whether you or I are right or wrong. Reduce it to name calling and swearing and all you do is reduce this to idiotic childishness.

Actually maybe 10-15 people have posted against Farrels business decission.
Have a look at who that is....Then have a look at "who is not posting against it".

PS: i do believe the post you were just referring to was a joke as im sure he is sick of answering people that have no real questions.
or the same questions

I remember the thread where ExtremeTube.com was outed on here. At the time they were still under construction and they had no traffic whatsoever, but they had pages and pages of uploaded, stolen content. Personally I couldn't give a shit who someone does business with, but get the fuck out of here with the "it hasn't been proven they steal the content and upload it themselves" bullshit. It has been proven, and it was proven right on this very forum.

I had a tube site with a shitload more traffic than ExtremeTube.com had when it was revealed on here, and when I opened up user submissions the vast majority of videos uploaded were the heavily watermarked "spam videos" that are prevalent on xvideos.com. So Brazzers can't tell when a video from a popular website is uploaded, but by their own admission on here they reject videos that are watermarked with anything if you don't have a partner account? Really? Get the fuck out of here...

Leaving the porn tubes aside for the moment.

Does make one wonder about the porn tubes though.