Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers

What are you talking about? My assumptions about who you do business with? You said you do business with Pornhub, I am commenting on that. What have I said defamatory about you?

I already gave you proof of stealing. If you can't use common sense to see how those videos got on those tube sites, that those tube sites profit off of stolen content, then ask me this one simple question how did all of the stolen content get there in the first place from day 1? users just showed up and started filling up an empty site.... build it and the porn users will come

Can you name some people you don't do business with, some of these "plenty people" just curious how many of them you could actually stand to gain from. Or if your decision to not do business with them is based more off of if you can profit from them or not.



lol cause of the week. In 7 years of posting on GFY I've "campaigned" 2 issues... stolen traffic and sales from spyware and sites profiting off of stolen content. That = "cause of the week", you exaggerate much?

The fact that you know it is unpopular and post about you doing business with sites that profit off of stolen content isn't anything short of you just trying to justify it in your own head. Funny I always took you to be Mr. On the right side of the issue, but hell when it comes to a top 100 site that is sending you traffic and sales I can see why you are going out of your way to try to justify to yourself, more so than anyone here that you are still doing the right thing... but in order for you to be doing the right thing than you have to convince everyone that porn hub is not bad... good luck with that one!

It is rather simple. They had nothing to gain from Acacia, why not fight them. Acacia was shaking everyone down. It was either give in and pay them, ignore them and get sued and have a weak case for avoiding it, or fight them.

On the other hand, porn hub has tons of traffic and sales to send them. So why would he fight them and lose that traffic and sales.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Someone should save all these pages. I predict this thread disappears before end of month.

Exactly. Plus, they can ride the "we are a honest company" slogan all day long based on that.

all they'd really have to do is buy advertising or a skin and POOF it would all go away, along with any other threads started.

Good morning haters.

Here is the rundown...

First, we could've sold you guys out and made out like bandits on the Acacia deal. If you don't believe me, then talk to some of those that did settle with them and ask what terms they were offered.

Next, I cannot talk specifically about our CE case but suffice to say many people thought we were kicking a gift horse in the mouth when we went into arbitration with them. I am not going to name names for the others we won't do biz with but most of them are well known, highly respected, buyers of drinks at shows. I don't need to add to the drama by indulging your curiousity for our blacklist.

Seriously, the moment PV or anyone else brings a case and proves that they have stolen content then I will apologize to everyone, but in the meantime, my dealings with the company are not consistent with what others claim. Why should I believe anyone else's hearsay over my own experience? Seriously? Do you expect me to run a business based on what other people are saying and doing? I don't know you. I don't trust you. I am not about to jump on the "We hate tubes" bandwagon just because you did or did not.

You are welcome to disapprove, and to think we are desperate. On that point we can discuss it again in a year or so and see who is still in business.

/end of thread. You are the only person that doesn't think they have stolen content on porn hub, that there was never stolen content on porn hub, and that porn hub only exists because it made (makes) tons of money from stolen content - other people's hard work.

We have found plenty of our content on there that was not placed by us. We ask to have it taken down or replaced with our authorized copy. They comply. Promptly. End of problem. And end of story.

Just a stupid question but what "if" they really have sold Mansef.
How quick would you turn down the whole stolen content?
I mean,they have a million vids on their tubes,millions of users which submit new movies every minute.
How quick would you be able to take down all the stolen content (with original description and alternative description)??
I am just wondering,i have not read the whole thread but "if" they have bought it you should give them time.
If i would buy such a network i wouldn´t be able to do it and of course i wouldn´t take down the sites to make sure everything is fine,this does not make sense.
But hey,it´s not my business.

Far-L, can I steal your car and trash it, as long as I promptly give it back to you when you find me? With all due respect, I don't see how anyone can do biz like that. Theft is theft. Even if I only steal other people's cars, would that make a difference?

Steve Lightspeed

The difference here though Steve, to use your analogy, if you stole my car, which is a Model H, a Homegrown Cruiser with turbo power content and painted with our logos, and you drive it around until I get it back, you just did some solid advertising for us. I don't consider the content to be "trashed and crashed" because it went on the tube freeway. On the contrary, the more exposure, while it may have caused a dent or two, provided us with critical feedback to improve our design, generated tons of branding that elevated our organics, and created opportunities to find more distributors.

We tackled this problem from the beginning with carrot and stick. Work with us and get the carrot. Don't work with us and get the stick. People have been stealing our content since before most people here were even old enough to use a computer. We have been up against this problem since day one; now, instead of spending all our money on attorneys to fight it to a phyrric finish, we chose to try and work with people first. Most people I see just complaining, railing, and otherwise getting nowhere. We turned a negative into a positive, an enemy into an ally, and learned how to work with the situation. That doesn't make us evil. You of all people should get this.

Wow... so looks like Microsoft is a bigger thief than Brazzers!

Just go to Bing, search videos, and put in a term like "porn". Who uploaded all that freaking content without permission?

Somebody have Bill Gates contact info?

Fabian were you involved with PornGraph? Just curious...

Actions speak louder than words and who you associate yourself with says a lot about you

Far-L:

How is it possible that the day that ExtremeTube.com opened there were already thousands of vids on there? Thousands of copyrighted un-licensed vids just magically appeared before the site was even open to the public?

You should have read my Connecting the Dots article where I showed that the VERY FIRST member to be signed up to PornHub had uploaded a few 100 videos and made comments on other people's profile representing himself as an admin for the site. That not good enough proof to you? After I pointed out all these shady things, Brazzers...errr Pornhub quickly went and changed their tube site. All the while they were denying they owned these sites...if they were so legit then why were they trying to deceive people?

Ok, how about this...Brazzers running a tube site WITHIN their members area of Brazzers.com so you as a copyright holder would have no idea your content was being stolen unless you yourself became a member of Brazzers. This also gave them a nice way of adding value to their memberships..."why sign up for Homegrown...by being a member of Brazzers you can upload all the Homegrown content you want just keep it on the downlow"

You're doing business with the biggest copyright infringers our industry has ever known. You're judged by the company you keep. Go ahead and make your money with them, just know that they're making 10 times that by using your stolen content. Content with the table scraps? Your choice.

What a great generalization that says everything and nothing at the same time. Hey, try these on for size... when you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose... and time waits for no one and no one waits for time... you look like I'm tripping...

The strangest part of this is no matter how much I discuss this issue as a business consideration worth debate and try to keep it professional, folks like you and others simply want to insult me in such oblique ways.

The sad part is that if that is all you are going to do to address the problem is insult me then there is probably a good reason why the tube revolution has hurt your business so much.