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07-17-2010, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

Socks,

tell me a way to get rid of sites like pornbb, torrents and such, and I'll be all over it... I think there are not many ways if any to do so.

want to know why you wont address my content issue.

how can you guys use say fuckyoucash content for months and months and profit by sending clicks to brazzers tour using the content you dont have the rights to, which is paid for by other companies, until we "find out" and only then is the content either removed or link codes are added, doesnt mistake the fact that you profited of something that isnt yours.

how is this going to "change" while you own the "new" company.

please dont give me the excuse about user submitted uploads.

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07-17-2010, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

In this day and age, no one survives without transparency ? so that?s how we do business.
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07-17-2010, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

Robbie,

good that we understand eachother. I agree, it is not easy to change our tubes without hurting the, which is why we are doing it carefully.

I do however disagree that the tubes are impossible to compete with or make money from. Our tubes also obviously took traffic away from a lot of people. But last time I checked, thats free market economy.
If someone manages to produce a legal website which takes revenue away from us, I would be the last one to go and complain to them, instead of trying to figure out a way to beat them at their game.

The thing that mostly annoys me about some people on GFY is that they seem to think I have to be sorry or ashamed of having a very professionally run corporation and a very good team of highly qualified people. Good old GFY...

Come on. "Free market" society? More like blackmarket.

Pornhub took traffic and sales away from a lot of people because it was started with stolen content. Answer me this one simple question. How did pornhub open from day one with content on the site. The first "member" found the site, noticed it was empty and then went to porn sites and "user submitted" the site full of stolen content. We ALL know that at the very least the initial bulk of videos were stolen and put there by site owners, all the way up to the point when they started working out deals with studios and buying from people.

Where you with them then? Doesn't sound like it. But don't make it sound like Pornhub is just some shining example of a free market economy working. Bullshit, its more like a mob operation that eventually tries to go legit.

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07-17-2010, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

Wow! And some of these guys (Far-L, et al.) want you to just hop into bed with these guys without doing even the slightest due diligence on your own to know who you'd be doing business with? Incredible.

Hop in? they are already on dirty seconds with them.

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07-17-2010, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

If someone manages to produce a legal website which takes revenue away from us, I would be the last one to go and complain to them, instead of trying to figure out a way to beat them at their game.

What if i had a user submitted tube they logged into brazzers took all your hd videos and uploaded them to my tube? I then used your content to be as big as you. (this will never happen just making a point) Well when you send a dmca it would be taken down so that makes my site legal as far as US law goes and like every other tube 2 weeks later its back up. We can rise and repeate the process. You can come here and say that pornhub was all user submitted content but we all know that it was not. Like Robbie says it very well may be now but from day one it was all staff. You know it i know it hell everyone knows it. So if the business started on stealing YOUR shit then goes legit after destrying all the competition and you would you still be the last one to complain or the first?
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07-17-2010, 10:08 PM

lots of now successful affiliate programs started with stealing their content. i hope people are paying attention to who is sucking chode on this dude too. see the ones who are blowing him, and don't forget them.

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07-17-2010, 10:16 PM

for a post that was meant to offer transparency, there is a surprising lack of it... don't u think?

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07-17-2010, 10:17 PM

ADG,

Regarding your claims in your last posts, you are simply wrong and falling for disinformation prepared to try to destroy my image. I do not know why, but I am guessing being jelous is a bitch... This is the one and only comment to those baseless accusations. If you were not in the us, I would just sue you for even accusing me of such, sadly in a us court it is not as easy to do so as in Germany... Sucks for me. I will simply let my actions speak for themselves over the next few months and we will talk again then...

Fris, sorry that I have to say so, but that is how DMCA works. DMCA is a bit more complicated than you think though and there is reasons why it exists which make perfect sense. Do our tubes use a loophole in DMCA? No, I do not think it's a loophole, it's a type of site which many people might not like.

I have acquired the sites relatively recently and can not comment about things in the past, but I have said over and over again in this thread that we have plans to change certain aspects of them. I can not reveal details, but I am relatively sure most people complaining here currently will stop doing so.

Interestingly enough, DMCA becomes even more important once the site is changed, but I might explain that once we are at that stage.

Famous, again, I can not comment on things that happened before the acquisition, what happened or did not happen then has nothing to do with manwin. In general though, your comment with brazzers, we have to send dmca notices to websites all the time, just like everyone else. You do not see us complain. We buy ads on many of them too actually. The tubes are currently something that exists and we have to live with, why would we not try to make money with them. If we do not, someone else will.

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07-17-2010, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by opflix

for a post that was meant to offer transparency, there is a surprising lack of it... don't u think?

There are limits to transparency like there are limits to everything. For example because of non-disclosure agreements or confidentiality clauses in contracts...

That's just how it is, this is a business and it's run like any other.

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07-17-2010, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

There are limits to transparency like there are limits to everything. For example because of non-disclosure agreements or confidentiality clauses in contracts...

That's just how it is, this is a business and it's run like any other.

you're not protecting trade secrets here bro... there are no 'limits to transparency'... ask every publicly traded company on the stock market. you're not publicly traded, but you're the one that claimed transparency was necessary for survival. so with that statement, you've told everyone reading that you wish to be open, honest and TRANSPARENT but now... there are limits to the information you're willing to divulge. THAT immediately waves red flags bro... i'm sure you can figure that out for yourself.

if you actually backed up

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07-17-2010, 10:37 PM

Not sure why everyone is so quick to the pitch forks.

While I'm not familiar with who the players at Virage / Manwin are, I know that the sale happened. This isn't a smoke and mirrors sale, ownership has changed hands. Any buyer in the program market can tell you this.

That being said, I know for a fact that when buying a company and retaining the operational staff, last thing on your mind is changing all the company letterhead.

Acquisition space is a fast action, hit them hard and see returns game. I'm sure they are all looking for ways to increase the bottom line, or integrate their more profitable business methods.

I know first hand that Pornhub network of tubes have all been quietly working very hard with original content owners to further monetize the content directly and get the tubes to what they could have always been, a real traffic source for content owners to earn with. ( As long as DMCA is the loop hole, I'd take 50% of something , over 100% of nothing )

I'd say that when a guy like Fabian comes out and gives a direct line of contact, people with problems should use it.

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07-17-2010, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

ADG,

Regarding your claims in your last posts, you are simply wrong and falling for disinformation prepared to try to destroy my image. I do not know why, but I am guessing being jelous is a bitch... This is the one and only comment to those baseless accusations. If you were not in the us, I would just sue you for even accusing me of such, sadly in a us court it is not as easy to do so as in Germany... Sucks for me.

You spell jealous almost as well as another infamous GFY loser...

You have destroyed your image here by yourself by hiding who your associates are (or as the government may more likely call them, co-conspirators).

If the people in your company were such fine upstanding citizens, then why would they have anything to hide? Cockroaches run away from light.

Stick to what you do best lackey:

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07-17-2010, 10:39 PM

Call me crazy but a man who can afford to drop over 100 million dollars on a criminal enterprise would not be wasting his time on GFY in such a useless conversation.

I'm calling shenanigans.

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07-17-2010, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

You spell jealous almost as well as another infamous GFY loser...

You have destroyed your image here by yourself by hiding who your associates are (or as the government may more likely call them, co-conspirators).

If the people in your company were such fine upstanding citizens, then why would they have anything to hide? Cockroaches run away from light.

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07-17-2010, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Thurbs

Not sure why everyone is so quick to the pitch forks.

While I'm not familiar with who the players at Virage / Manwin are, I know that the sale happened. This isn't a smoke and mirrors sale, ownership has changed hands. Any buyer in the program market can tell you this.

That being said, I know for a fact that when buying a company and retaining the operational staff, last thing on your mind is changing all the company letterhead.

Acquisition space is a fast action, hit them hard and see returns game. I'm sure they are all looking for ways to increase the bottom line, or integrate their more profitable business methods.

I know first hand that Pornhub network of tubes have all been quietly working very hard with original content owners to further monetize the content directly and get the tubes to what they could have always been, a real traffic source for content owners to earn with. ( As long as DMCA is the loop hole, I'd take 50% of something , over 100% of nothing )

Has hahaha flown Fabian to Philippines yet and put him up in a nice beach villa like he has done so many program owners in the past?

hahaha is a baller. A real one. And notice he doesn't waste his time here feeding trolls and those who oppose him. Real ballers don't do that. Too busy ballin'.

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