What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days?

this thread delivers

Thread closed?

I don't think so?

extra beef on your cock meat sandwich ?

I want to play with the Piece of shit first..... He must be hitting the pipe again these days

I am gonna rat all you out now

the only post that makes sense in this thread. Probably for the whole week or past month as well

This thread needs a deer eating popcorn.

pretty serious if you ask me

getting banned provides a good smoke screen for taking the money and running.

Yup ...lets see what he has to say about it , I am very curious as to his source of information (ie pulling it out of his ass) ...

Lets see what he has to say maybe he can enlighten all of us including myself

You're still up to your tactics William / pr0.

You didn't spend a week - all of the information was provided to you as was asked.

Ran off an employee? You're still trying to save face, I understand.

I'll admit I mentioned a monetary figure to an employee of yours - that wasn't breaking the non-disclosure though, sorry. Your posting the monetary figure publicly on GFY and then other details was though.. I'd have no problem pasting all of the email conversation either with your employee to show people I wasn't a "psycho tough guy" at any point (nice little jab there along with my "crazy babble"). People don't like being lied to about work that was supposedly done, but wasn't, especially when you paid them $2k.

It was 4 days after the deadline when I mentioned this monetary figure - so that wasn't preventing the work from being completed. That's just an excuse, the only one you've had this whole time to distract people from that you owe me $2,000. All your other distraction tactics were personal attacks on me. Classy.

You still can save face by returning my money. That's really the only way.

I'm posting inflammatory comments about you? You're joking right? I've acted like one of the most civil people on GFY. Intelligent people will discredit and stop listening when you attack others - I've not attacked you - I want people to listen, and they are.

Also, you suggested common sense things for Owned.com in a few messages - but tryng to say weeks? Come on now. Sure, you offered to help out with it, you wanted in on it so you were trying to be good in my books - I'm sure you try to be good in everyone's books, that's fine - until you fuck them over. You could own up to that if you really wanted.

You cost me and lost me a lot more than $2,000. I've already taken a big loss because of you fucking me over, much more than $2k. I will accept my losses with $2k back from you though. That will be some restitution for costing me a lot of money, extra time, causing grief and anger, and dealing with your propaganda and personal attacks, etc..

So, can you please wire me my $2k back?

I didn't post inflammatory comments about you, so I can't apologize for that.

I didn't break the non-disclosure agreement, so I can't apologize for that.

I didn't run your employee off either with my "crazy babble" - my emails were as civil as my posts here have been. I did say 'fuck' in my last email out of frustration - which is understandable because that was 4 days past the deadline - and the only work done online by that point was a few hosting support requests for them to setup Wordpress blogs. I can't apologize for this either.

I'm sorry this situation happened, but that's about all.

I just want the $2k back that you didn't do the work for, and more so now that you've dragged this on, and lost me a lot more money because of not doing the work.

That's really not asking too much.

For those interested - http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645 is a thread where I summarize the situation including email conversation with his employee with a timeline.

talked to him all cool he was messing around just a misunderstanding

carryyy on.... nothing to see here me and pr0 have no beef

glad its OK

I have another reply coming to his second long reply.

I'm really blown away at everything he says in it.

How long has this drama been going on for? ... 6mo/1yr +

I still havnt got my money back from your brother

did you guys have make-up sex? just askin...

Damn are you serious? You let him punk you like that? You look guilty as fuck.

this is getting in too deep

At least now you don't have to look over your shoulder next time you go take a piss at the shows.

Too long.

Yet he still never acknowledges or responds to specifics of what I say. He just continues to post the same ridiculous things to try to make himself not look as bad for fucking me over for $2,000.

I know it would have been difficult apologizing for something you didn't feel you did, but I was really hoping you could have just swallowed your pride and made the apology thread so you could get some cash back.

It didn't seem like he wasn't planning on returning my money if I apologized / lied.

In his second longer list of "requests" his final one was for me to "6) I also request he agree to free rent on Madison Ave, B&O Railroad & Marven Gardens during any future Monopoly games."

Why would I take him seriously? Plus, he made all kinds of false allegations that he requested I agree that happened on top of apologizing.

He also never claimed how much money he'd return. (Thanks to JFK for pointing that out)

And with his current behaviour he likely would take my apology and then claim "see, he agrees he broke the non-disclosure agreement - I owe him nothing".

If he writes out on here saying the specific amount of $ he'll return, and within how many days after I make an apology and the method of payment, then he'll receive an apology, but not for his lies about me attacking him or absurdness of planning this all out.

His tactic so far has been lie, put all kinds of completely opposite information out there to dilute the truth in his favour. Everything he's said has been an exaggerated lie or an outright lie.

He's never responded directly to my other threads or posts either to deny what I've said. He just posts new stuff. The list of words I'd describe this childish man are growing. He has no balls as Juicy said (regarding his encounter in a bathroom).

He's a bully, not ballsy.

So, William / pr0 - it's your turn. What are you going to do? How much $ will you return for an apology? What method? And how soon after I apologize will you send it? Let's end this game. You fucked me out of $2,000 - you've admitted it publicly - the only thing you loosely hang onto is that I told an employee of yours a monetary figure - which had no effect on the work getting done or not because it was after the deadline of when the work was due.

And stop going back to statements I already addressed.

well ask him for it, im not even on speaking terms with him because of the money he has taken from people, let alone live anywhere near him.

his/your problem not mine.

Your "brother" haha.

Exactly my thoughts..

Or just say it was really your brother. Rogue brother alert!

True, but he's already taken the money - just isn't running. But he's doing more damage with his false accusations and defamatory comments.

I hear ya man, just thought it would have been nice to get some of the cash back after getting screwed over. I know he didn't specifiy an amount, so he might have been just planning to send back a hundred bucks and mess with you. I've seen it time and time again on gfy, in a business transaction one party doesn't like how the other acts or something they say and they suddenly feel like its their right to then not complete the services agreed upon and just keep the money.

Not sure why you think that. You should take everything pr0 / William's says with a grain of salt. He's just stuck continuing to try to save face from starting all of his lies. He has to keep perpetuating them.

Yeap, had it happen to me a couple times years back. I had one douche I bought traffic from not deliver for weeks, kept making excuses, I kept being nice and giving him more time. After 3 months of excuses, I gave him the " look I am tired of the fucking promises, either start sending the traffic by Friday or send me my money back, I'm tired of waiting" type response. Which he then replied back, if you going to curse me and threaten me then I am not going to work with you and I will not be giving you a refund.

It's like they wait for you to get mad and then try to justify keeping the money because you... got mad. Wow go figure, someone got mad that they paid for services that weren't delivered and all they got in return was loads of bullshit.

2 grand shouldn't be nothing to the ceo of seo.

Pretty fucked up some one keeping your money for some dumbshit reason and not delivering what was agreed upon. Nothing short of theft.

I expected better out of one of the 'big timers' here. Fear not Nysus, these actions will come full circle. Looks like self-destruct mode is already initiated, so it won't be long.

Why? Because you're a friend of his, and support him, and get off on this kind of stuff (more so privately)?

You don't think the people that know he's fucked someone over, and treated them how he's treated me won't have an affect? This is how he reacts and treats someone because his employee didn't do the work, and then he didn't get it done for a month past the deadline (and it was very well-known beforehand the deadline was very important, and he reassured me about it).

Oh, and he threatened me if I posted on the boards (even though to try to comfort my fears of being fucked over in the past by others, he used his reputation / put it on the table saying I could just post on GFY if he fucked me over --- which now in his list of requests he tries to use against me, him trying to say that because I questioned his non-disclosure agreement that I'm "crazy psycho"). How fucked up is that?

I don't know how he can read all of this, and be okay with it.

And don't forget the $5,000 someone else paid him a year ago, and never did the work for (- a person wanting to stay anonymous for now private messaged me about that - pr0 hasn't denied it).

The more these threads continue, the more people find out. And no, you can't track the numbers - but trying to comfort yourself by assuming it has no affect is ridiculous and you're just fooling yourself.

Ya! Giving him work sounds like a great business decision! Maybe if you're political party looking for a superb propagandist who doesn't think about or care about the implications of their actions or behaviour...

Thanks for your words of support. I do actually need the money back. I had to stop the project and sell off the two main sites already because of him not doing the work. I lost money from hosting I paid for for the project as well (~$900 and the hosting company gave me some free months when I explained that the guy I hired - pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets - didn't do the work I paid him for). There have been other costs too.

I just need the money back now. The pathetic part is he mocks me now for needing the money, even though he requested money for his own health issues years ago on GFY and accepted the kindness and generosity of others from here.. and then he treats someone like this.

Unlike you, marco, eastwood...whatever nick you use next. It's pretty common knowledge that Fris and his Brother are two different people.

Why would it get closed??

Exactly how this situation happened.

He owes me $2,000 - but he cost me a lot more than that. I couldn't hire someone else to do the work because he had my money, and I also lost nearly $1,000 for hosting costs. He totally fucked me over and now he just plays games pretending no one is noticing or that no one cares. Baffles me. Just give me back the $2,000, pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets.

Wasn't pro balling out with his screenshots of 2-3k a day? Or was that all bullshit?

his screenshots always came from sites his best buddies owned.

From my understanding they were Loadedcash screenshots that he claimed were his; LoadedCash from AJ concurred......

So my belief is he was bullshitting.

He's a great manipulator / liar. But what he says now has become so ridiculous.

Yea, it's weird how people get a little money and turn into a different person.

It doesn't seem like he became a different person, he just stopped needing hide this horrible side of himself. *2 cents*

pr0 hasn't replied directly to anything on this thread now either. He's gone back into hiding. Coward. Own up to the fact you owe me $2,000.