Patent for Website Technology.......enforce or give a pass? - GoFuckYourself.com

Redrob · 06-18-2010, 11:13 PM

Everybody is always coming down on Acacia for their buying other people's patents and trying to license the technologies or collect damages.

If the shoe was on the other foot and you developed and owned your own fundamental patent for an internet technology spending say $20,000 on development and legal expenses, would you try to license it and collect damages from other companies?

Just wondering? What would you do?

Intrinsic · 06-18-2010, 11:16 PM

Patents seem more enforceable than trademarks. Interesting.

crockett · 06-18-2010, 11:17 PM

There is a very distinctive difference here. Someone that spends money and "DEVELOPS" their idea deserves every right in the world to protect it.

Acacia, doesn't develop anything but lawsuits as a business model to clog the legal system and make money. Fuck them they deserve nothing.

XPays · 06-18-2010, 11:29 PM

enforce, speaking as an inventor. get paid for making those building blocks of the internet.

kane · 06-18-2010, 11:43 PM

Haven't you guys heard. This is the Internet. Once you create something you are supposed to give it away for free.

Redrob · 06-19-2010, 07:01 AM

Bump for additional comments.

rowan · 06-19-2010, 07:14 AM

Buying up patents that you think are broad enough to scare potential "offenders" into paying for a license is not being inventive or innovative. That's a fucked up business model.

marcop · 06-19-2010, 07:59 AM

Over the last twenty years or so, there's been a problem in the US with patents being granted that are overly broad, or not original enough. Congress has made a couple of half-hearted attempts to fix things, but hasn't managed to do so yet.

Paul Markham · 06-19-2010, 08:06 AM

There needs to be a big shake up over patents. So that those who create something can prosper from it, even if they sell the patent, and those that use it without a license are made to pay for it.

And companies who try to use an overly broad patent to blackmail people into paying for a license should be taken to court for fraud. If they lose a case in the courts they need to be made to pay all the costs of the defendants as well. At the moment it's too easy for these companies to prosper.

brentbacardi · 06-19-2010, 09:11 AM

In general, you should have to pay the costs of the defendant if you lose, the legal system in the US is fucking clogged already with bullshit lawsuits IMO

DaddyHalbucks · 06-19-2010, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intrinsic

Patents seem more enforceable than trademarks. Interesting.

It's actually just the reverse.

DaddyHalbucks · 06-19-2010, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

There is a very distinctive difference here. Someone that spends money and "DEVELOPS" their idea deserves every right in the world to protect it.

Acacia, doesn't develop anything but lawsuits as a business model to clog the legal system and make money. Fuck them they deserve nothing.

Without the support people to fund and enforce and manage, the actual inventors have nothing.

Relentless · 06-19-2010, 09:22 AM

Failure to enforce your IP rights is grounds for losing them.
If you don't plan to enforce... don't patent or trademark in the first place.

Redrob · 06-19-2010, 09:51 AM

Some patent companies like Acacia do help small inventors monetize their patents by splitting any profits after covering the licensing and enforcement expenses without the inventor covering a share the expenses upfront.

baddog · 06-19-2010, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

There is a very distinctive difference here. Someone that spends money and "DEVELOPS" their idea deserves every right in the world to protect it.

Acacia, doesn't develop anything but lawsuits as a business model to clog the legal system and make money. Fuck them they deserve nothing.

So, if I buy something it is not mine?

Redrob · 06-20-2010, 07:14 AM

One last bump for comments. Thank you for you opinions as they have been helpful.

DiF0r · 06-20-2010, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

Haven't you guys heard. This is the Internet. Once you create something you are supposed to give it away for free.

sortie · 06-20-2010, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrob

Everybody is always coming down on Acacia for their buying other people's patents and trying to license the technologies or collect damages.

If the shoe was on the other foot and you developed and owned your own fundamental patent for an internet technology spending say $20,000 on development and legal expenses, would you try to license it and collect damages from other companies?

Just wondering? What would you do?

You are asking people who got run out of business because of a complete lack
of copyright protection of their real product to believe that acacia's abstract theories of
web interfaces should get protected.

Not a chance in hell that acacia has a single thing that is protected.
There would only be one kind of computer if this was true since all computers
use the same "theory" of function.

It's not like Acacia developed actual computer code to do anything.

Redrob · 06-20-2010, 05:03 PM

Sortie, you beg the question....What would you do if you financed (paid for developers, attorneys, and filing fees) and developed a new technology (wrote the code).....would you license and protect it or would you allow later copycats to use it for free?

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Intrinsic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,589	Patents seem more enforceable than trademarks. Interesting.

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crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	There is a very distinctive difference here. Someone that spends money and "DEVELOPS" their idea deserves every right in the world to protect it. Acacia, doesn't develop anything but lawsuits as a business model to clog the legal system and make money. Fuck them they deserve nothing.

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	Haven't you guys heard. This is the Internet. Once you create something you are supposed to give it away for free.

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	Bump for additional comments.

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rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Buying up patents that you think are broad enough to scare potential "offenders" into paying for a license is not being inventive or innovative. That's a fucked up business model.

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marcop Content Producer Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,145	Over the last twenty years or so, there's been a problem in the US with patents being granted that are overly broad, or not original enough. Congress has made a couple of half-hearted attempts to fix things, but hasn't managed to do so yet.

06-19-2010, 09:51 AM	#14
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	Some patent companies like Acacia do help small inventors monetize their patents by splitting any profits after covering the licensing and enforcement expenses without the inventor covering a share the expenses upfront.

06-20-2010, 07:14 AM	#16
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	One last bump for comments. Thank you for you opinions as they have been helpful.

06-20-2010, 05:03 PM	#19
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	Sortie, you beg the question....What would you do if you financed (paid for developers, attorneys, and filing fees) and developed a new technology (wrote the code).....would you license and protect it or would you allow later copycats to use it for free?