CarlosTheGaucho

In short, here's my "political" agenda:

- decriminalization YES - there is enough actual real "crime" to solve
- legalization YES - but only if the use will be strictly restricted to adults only


- denying negative effects of marijuana - NO
- potheads preaching and positive propaganda - A BIG NO NO

I hope it's clear.

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CarlosTheGaucho

I was just being sarcastic, referring to the fact that if someone talks about weed too much there's usually something unhealthy about his relation to it.

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ottopottomouse

Not sure what's going on with all the needles then unless it's just attempting to scare really impressionable people.
Change this from marijuana to coke and it would be about one of my friends

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Amputate Your Head

Very clear. And here is mine:

- decriminalization YES
- legalization YES , I don't see any reason it can't be as regulated as alcohol or tobacco. Those aren't fool-proof regulations either. Someone of legal age buys an underage teen some booze & cigarettes somewhere every day. But I also don't think it needs to be regulated with an iron fist. It's not as harmful as the government makes it out to be, and anyone can grow it.

- denying positive effects of marijuana NO , there's no denying that it helps many many people.
- potheads preaching about the benefits? Why not? Isn't that what we want in society? People spreading the word about things that HELP them? When someone has a headache, what do we say? Take some Tylenol, it'll help. When someone has a root canal, do we not tell someone about how much the Vicodin is helping with the pain? When we discover an incredible premium Tequila, do we not share that info with people? Look at all the pharma commercials and advertising... all of them preaching about the benefit of their latest drug creation for everything from heartburn to full mutation, and that's not even because they "care", it's solely about profit.

I just don't understand the reasoning for the MJ fear. (in general, not you specifically). Why must something that helps people be kept quiet? I'm not advocating that every man, woman and child take up ganja smoking, or that it'll cure anything that's wrong with you, but there is certainly no harm in sharing positive experiences.

Okay, anyway.... good discussion here, but I'm bailing out now. 7 pages of this is enough... lol

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CarlosTheGaucho

All Right

gotta work

If you see me on GFY during the next 48 hours bitchslap me

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BFT3K

I smoke pot, but I actually don't want it to become legal.

Once it becomes legal everything will be blamed on weed...

• Car accidents.
• Unemployment.
• High School Drop Outs.
• Teenage Pregnancies.
• Every Defense In Court.
• Domestic Violence.
• Everything!

People will get in trouble for whatever, and instantly they will blame pot.

Like Tiger Woods cheats on his wife, and instantly he's a sex addict that needs to go to rehab.

We are who we are.

If you are a lazy, unmotivated person, then that's who you are.

If you are a lazy, unmotivated person who smokes pot - then blaming your shortcomings on weed is just an easy cop out.

I don't think pot is really that dangerous. Cigarettes and alcohol are WAY more addictive and dangerous, and are both legal, but legalizing weed will only lead to more problems.

I'm down with decriminalization, but legalizing it will not bode well.

Be careful what you wish for...

Agent 488

get's boring man. i used to be like that. some of my friends are like that and i don't like really talking to them anymore.

it's like talking to a friend who converted to christ or a mormon at your door.

there is more to life.

BFT3K

Well, like the saying goes...

"No one is as anti as an ex."

CarlosTheGaucho

One last point before I leave on hiatus

- there's a doctor to tell you what's good for you NOT a stoner, I don't need no pothead telling me or anyone else what's "good"

If I ever catch a stoner pushing his bullshit to my kid or my woman or anyone that's close to me and dumb enough to believe it I'm gonna kick his ass out of my backyard immediately

I don't have nothing against drugs, but I sure don't like pushers, and anyone praising this miracle herb bullshit is a pusher that fools other people to use bullshit drugs

Ok I'm on a hiatus now - count 48 hours that's till June 24th 10:52 AM if I'm not mistaken, if I'm back sooner consider me a fail

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2012

take another hit Obie One ...
... puff puff passsssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

2012

see what happens Say NO !

Agent 488

i smoke dude. i am anti-fanaticism. hard to comprehend i know.

Badmaash

Dont get high on your own supply - just sell marijuana all day!

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BFT3K

Not sure where you're going with this. I am not a pot fanatic. I do not push weed on anyone, nor do I claim it to be an end-all to any of the world's woes.

In fact, as I've already posted within this very thread - I don't even think it should be legalized.

Maybe it IS too hard to comprehend...

Agent 488

wtf are you talking about then? go post a money pic or something.

BFT3K

Badmaash

BTW I wonder how Marc Emery is doing for selling cannabis seeds even though Canada di not mind..... as the USA are legalizing marijuana left right and center they should let him off the hook... or maybe they want to teach him a lesson since another guy did not get banged up for the same crime as he did not piss the US off....

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stickyfingerz

You are so right, never ever had someone at a bar, or a get together or a party pester someone else to have a drink... nah never










Ya only marijuana supporters that speak loudly cause our relaxation method of choice is ILLEGAL in most place, speak out about something they are passionate about... lmao

ProG

Believing in Jesus is more detrimental to your health than smoking pot.

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BFT3K

I knew a guy who believed in Jesus, like 3 times a day!

Never got shit done!

Always out looking to score more "belief".

Sucker!

Coup

Peter-Porn

i love marijuana)

NiteOwl

Pot Rocks!

And no militant moralist will change anything.

Light up and enjoy!

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The Sultan Of Smut

I second that.

Coup

THE MEDICAL DANGERS OF MARIJUANA USE

I must preface these statements with the remark that there is still a great deal of research to be done concerning the effects of marijuana on the health of humans due to the fact that widespread marijuana use has only become prevalent in this country within the last three decades, so the effects of long-term use are just beginning to become apparent. I should also add that in making these observations, I have concentrated on the risks of smoking natural marijuana, since it is the most effective method of ingesting its active cannabinoids.

Marijuana has often been touted as one of the safest recreational substances available. This is perhaps true; many reputable scientific studies support the conclusion that cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and even cigarettes are more dangerous to the user�s health than marijuana. In addition, the celebrated pharmacological properties of cannabis have led thirty-six states to permit its use as a therapeutic drug for, among others, those suffering from AIDS; various painful, incurable and debilitating illnesses; the harmful side effects of cancer chemotherapy, and glaucoma. Additional research is being conducted concerning the use of marijuana on the treatment of anxiety and mental disorders.

Nonetheless, it would be fallacious to conclude that because the chemicals in marijuana have been found to present fewer dangers than some very harmful substances, the medical or recreational use of marijuana is perfectly safe. In a recreational context, marijuana has been shown to affect health, brain function, and memory. And in a medical context, marijuana is like any other powerful prescription drug: it has potentially dangerous side effects, and the decision to use it to treat patients must involve the same balancing test as the one required for chemotherapy or AZT: do the therapeutic effects of the drug outweigh its harmful effects? Though there are many more studies to be done on this issue, current data shows that the answer to this question may not always be "yes."



EFFECTS OF HABITUAL MARIJUANA USE ON THE IMMUNE SYSTEM

The most potent argument against the use of marijuana to treat medical disorders is that marijuana may cause the acceleration or aggravation of the very disorders it is being used to treat.

Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients.

Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant" whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system. Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of the smoker�s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms, including macrophages (a.k.a. "killer cells") and the all-important T-cells. Obviously, this suggests the conclusion, which is well-supported by scientific studies, that the use of marijuana as a medical therapy can and does have a very serious negative effect on patients with pre-existing immune deficits resulting from AIDS, organ transplantation, or cancer chemotherapy, the very conditions for which marijuana has most often been touted and suggested as a treatment. It has also been shown that marijuana use can accelerate the progression of HIV to full-blown AIDS and increase the occurrence of infections and Kaposi�s sarcoma. In addition, patients with weak immune systems will be even less able to defend themselves against the various respiratory cancers and conditions to which consistent marijuana use has been linked, and which are discussed briefly under "Respiratory Illnesses."

In conclusion, it seems that the potential dangers presented by the medical use of marijuana may actually contribute to the dangers of the diseases which it would be used to combat. Therefore, I suggest that marijuana should not be permitted as a therapy, at least until a good deal more conclusive research has been completed concerning its debilitating effect on the immune system.

For more on this topic, please see Donald P. Tashkin, M.D., "Effects of Marijuana on the Lung and Its Immune Defenses," Secretary's Youth Substance Abuse Prevention Intiative: Resource Papers, March 1997, Center for Substance Abuse Prevention. Pages 33-51 of this address can be found at the website of the Indiana Prevention Resource Center at Indiana University, located at http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/druginfo/tashkin- marijuana.html.



RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES

The main respiratory consequences of smoking marijuana regularly (one joint a day) are pulmonary infections and respiratory cancer, whose connection to marijuana use has been strongly suggested but not conclusively proven. The effects also include chronic bronchitis, impairment in the function of the smaller air passages, inflammation of the lung, the development of potentially pre-cancerous abnormalities in the bronchial lining and lungs, and, as discussed, a reduction in the capabilities of many defensive mechanisms within the lungs.

Marijuana smoke and cigarette smoke contain many of the same toxins, including one which has been identified as a key factor in the promotion of lung cancer. This toxin is found in the tar phase of both, and it should be noted that one joint has four times more tar than a cigarette, which means that the lungs are exposed four-fold to this toxin and others in the tar. It has been concretely established that smoking cigarettes promotes lung cancer (which causes more than 125,000 deaths in the US every year), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema) and increased incidence of respiratory tract infections. This implies, but does not establish, that smoking marijuana may lead to some of the same results as smoking cigarettes. It is notable that several reports indicate an unexpectedly large proportion ofmarijuana users among cases of lung cancer and cancers of the oral cavity,pharynx, and larynx. Thus, it appears that the use of marijuana as a medicine has the potential to further harm an already ill patient in the same way that taking up regular cigarette smoking would, particularly in light of the fact that those patients for whom marijuana is recommended are already poorly equipped to fight off these infections and diseases.

For more information, please see the Tashkin website mentioned at the end of the section on immune disorders. See also:

www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/mrr/ 21.96.10.html, for information on the link between chemicals contained in marijuana and lung cancer.
http://www.marijuananews.com/latest_...that_heavy.htm, for an article concerning the link between marijuana and cancer, with commentary


MENTAL HEALTH, BRAIN FUNCTION, AND MEMORY

It has been suggested that marijuana is at the root of many mental disorders, including acute toxic psychosis, panic attacks (one of the very conditions it is being used experimentally to treat), flashbacks, delusions, depersonalization, hallucinations, paranoia, depression, and uncontrollable aggressiveness. Marijuana has long been known to trigger attacks of mental illness, such as bipolar (manic-depressive) psychosis and schizophrenia. This connection with mental illness should make health care providers for terminally ill patients and the patients themselves, who may already be suffering from some form of clinical depression, weigh very carefully the pros and cons of adopting a therapeutic course of marijuana.

In the short term, marijuana use impairs perception, judgment, thinking, memory, and learning; memory defects may persist six weeks after last use. Mental disorders connected with marijuana use merit their own category in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) IV, published by the American Psychiatric Association. These include Cannabis Intoxication (consisting of impaired motor coordination, anxiety, impaired judgment, sensation of slowed time, social withdrawal, and often includes perceptual disturbances; Cannabis Intoxication Delirium (memory deficit, disorientation); Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Delusions; Cannabis Induced Psychotic Disorder, Hallucinations; and Cannabis Induced Anxiety Disorder.

In addition, marijuana use has many indirect effects on health. Its effect on coordination, perception, and judgment means that it causes a number of accidents, vehicular and otherwise.

For further information, you may find the following sites helpful:

http://www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRU.../updatejl.html, for information on links between marijuana use and mental health risks.
www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/mrr/21.96.10.html, for more information on the indirect effects of marijuana on health
http://www.adf.org.au/drughit, the Australian Drug Foundation�s website
http://marijuananews.com/a_safe_ high_.htm, a reprint of New Science magazine�s "Marijuana Special Report: A Safe High?" with commentary
http://marijuananews.com/claim_four.htm, an article about the similarity of long-term marijuana use�s effect on the brain to that of "hard" drugs, with commentary
http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/publica...okescreen.html, for general information on the health risks of marijuana.
http://www.health.org, the homepage of the National Clearinghouse on Alcohol and Drug Information, for general information on marijuana.

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Magick_Temple

So let me get this straight. After 25 years research you can tell us that pot irritates the lungs and causes confusion. There may be other effects, but due to prohibition you're not able to research it properly.

This is your basis, as an academic, for supporting the law that stopped you doing the research.

Did I get that about right? How did that take 25 years? Were you stoned for most of it or something?

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CarlosTheGaucho

And what exactly are you trying to prove?

Try this mantra instead:

- I smoke marijuana because I get high, that is the only reason

- I don't give a crap whether it has any medical effects or not, but it's a nice alibi and I can justify my drug abuse that way

- I won't ever admit my consumption as "problematic" even if it was a daily drug consumption

Anyway, happy Wednesday,

I just made my comeback after more than a week and actually logging off again, surprised you weedheads haven't crucified the troll that posted this yet

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CarlosTheGaucho

Where's "Sticky"?

We need more weedheads in this thread

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