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12-31-2002, 04:29 AM
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THE solution to the "market oversaturation" problem
It's actually quite simple, and maybe someone's mentioned it before. If so, then I think it's probably still worth repeating.
Anybody old school bitching about how many newbies are here and there, taking your money, your business; the food out your mouth, it's your own goddamn fault. Wanna know how I got into this business? Simple. I saw a link at the bottom of a porn page that said: "Webmasters: Click here to make money" The solution is very, very simple. Don't put that up on your surfer's pages. Period. And on a side note, I'm tired of hearing about it. If this is a business, as a lot of you bitch and whine that it is such, and beg to be taken seriously, then the cold hard fact is that you will always have somebody a step behind trying to snatch some scraps, with the hope of stealing the whole fucking plate. That's the way it is, and always will be. Deal with it. Keep on the grind and you won't have to worry. my  |
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12-31-2002, 04:32 AM
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Remember when programs used to always say "no tgp traffic"?
You want to choke the newbies out? Stop buying their shitty traffic. So many ways to get rid of newbs. Kill freehosting. Kill free content. Jack up bandwidth costs. |
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12-31-2002, 04:35 AM
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yep, same here.
i was surfing porn, and saw these "webmasters click here" links - i didnt fucking know what a webmaster was so i wasnt clicking these links. then one day i saw "Webmasters click here to make $$$" - since then i'm in the porn biz. SO ITS REALLY FUCKING STUPID TO PLACE LINKS LIKE " WEBMASTERS CLICK HERE TO MAKE MONEY"  |
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12-31-2002, 04:49 AM
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Herein the words "you" and "big guys" are refering to the whining punk ass bitches complaining about oversaturation and bithicng about there being too many tgp's bringing them traffic for sales.
It's funny, people get pissed because it's relatively easy for newbies to get started in the adult biz. But It all boils down to being greedy. The big guys/gals just don't want competition. But you don't see walmart complaining when Mom and Pop open up a new store in the same city as a Walmart store is located. do you? Just because some of you people have been aroudn for ages and have payed your dues doesn't mean it's wrong that someone with half a brain and some design and html skills is able to get into this biz and give it a try. If you are all so fearfull of the newbies saturating the adult biz and bringing less sales to you then maybe it's time you started getting creative and making your sites worthy of making a buck. So long as your sites are top notch you will always make money. It's a shame that you won't have all the traffic and surfers and money to yourselves anymore but thats business as usual. You don't honestly think that all these newbies are going to stay do you? They won't. Only a handfull will last beyond the months of sleeplessness staying up all night trying to find a tgp to accept their submissions because 90 percent of tgp's play favorites, or stay up all night worrying about what asshoels will shave their sales silly. As well, most peopel will just give up once they eralize it takes time+money OR time+time+time. Not everyoen can handle this and will give up in frustration. Every biz has it's risks with saturation, EVERY.. Get used to it, you can't be gready and have it all to yourselves. We all have a right to run a biz too. And if you don't survive the saturation, then maybe you shouldn't be in this biz anymore, just retire and live comfortably. SO just stop yoru fucking whining, SOme of you are as bad as hockey and baseball players claiming they dont make enough millions. |
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TGP's in and of themselves do not hurt today's paysites. There are two factors in todays market that really threaten the profitability of the paysites of today:
Cheap bandwidth combined with Movie Gallery Posts. Movies and video are the only reason TGP's didn't put most paysites out of business to begin with. Now continue giving away long, quality video to the surfer in this age of broadband and what's left for paysites to offer?  |
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Competition is the key of development. Competition push the industry standards higher and force all the players to adapt and to find new ways for offering better quality and lower prices on their products/services.
Quality will always sell, no matter how many newbs are in this industry, but we shall not forget that without this "new comers" the quality and progress can't exist. Even if we are talking about new sponors, or new webmasters they all have same function in economy, to diversify and improve the offer of goods and services, so the consumers be able to get maximum satisfaction for the money they pay. Like Iwantchixx said, newbies come and newbies go, only the though ones manage to survive in this industry so the big players don't have any reason to fear them.
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12-31-2002, 02:49 PM
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If the paysites all folded then there would be no free content to give away on a TGP. We are probalby just going ot get a shake out. The hardest part of that is that we are a global industry and what is decent price for my time will feed 3 families in other countries that have access to the same tools.
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12-31-2002, 02:59 PM
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I'll tell ya what the real solution to it is....
put yourself in a position that the oversaturation works for you.... 
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12-31-2002, 02:59 PM
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things to do away with:
free hosts cheap bandwidth tgps mgps free hardcore p2p networks spamming I think there is a legit frustration. Most surfers these days just are leeches and want free stuff. And wont pull out the credit card. Its getting harder and harder. I'm sure theres a variety of reasons for this.... deceptive billing practices screwed them in the past high monthly rates cookie cutter content availbiltiy of so much free porn economy in a down cycle What needs to happen... Better paysites with great content More innovative payment systems Some obsenity busts to scare a bunch of guys away |
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12-31-2002, 03:01 PM
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another good development could be when cable modems start charging more for bandwidth.
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12-31-2002, 03:02 PM
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Personally the way the industry is i can't see how a newbie can take away the money i earned,
the net is so huge,, sure there might be 1,000's of newbies a day but then again there will be 1,000's of newbies that failed seasoned webmasters are the ones guilty of oversaturation, how many of ya buy a new domain and then turn it into a free site? i myself prolly made over 10,000 different sites in my years, a newbie would start with one site so whose at fault? |
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12-31-2002, 03:04 PM
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I've never really understood the "CLICK HERE TO MAKE $$$" at the bottom of most of the big programs main page.
I mean shit..... Does mcdonalds leave their franchise information on a big mac container? Just never made any sense to me at all...... |
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another point,
I would like to also point out that internet went to shit when the government broke up the Registars to force competition,, I mean lets thing about it $75 for domain name was pretty steep investment especially if you had over 100 names. once domains dropped to 8-15 all hell broke loose. fucking typo domains scams,, cheating webmasters that had nothing to loose cuz they could easily buy another domain |
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Streaming music/radio stations/talk shows etc. You can easily burn 3 gigs in a day listening to a station, thats 14$ a day with a 7$ per gig overage on a cable modem. I don't think premium charges for bandwidth on cable modems will work in the long run....EVER. |
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Its slowly thinning out the herd. I cant count how many horror stories I have heard or read about in the last year of plummeting profits and sites going titts up.
Dont compare this business to a normal brick and mortar business model as this "business" has no startup costs. You are not gonna enter the wonderful world of fast food franchises without a chunk of change. Same goes with any other business where returns can be as high as they are here. Any smacktard with a modem can become a gallery maker. I dont even consider them part of the business. They are like the door to door salesman and telemarketers of online porn. And so long as some Russian newb is happy with his 1:9000 ratio to nasty dollars, what the fuck does he care. It still beats standing in a bread line. The only people that like newbs, are the people that sell shit to newbs. And until every freehost operator is gutted like a deer, and people like choker are drug behind a vehicle going down the highway at 90, we are gonna have to put up with this crap. I fucking hate newbs. I dont view them as competition as much as the little googly eyed bitches like to think they are. A gallery maker will never be my competition. Maybe if I was another gallery maker they would be. But the day I turn to making galleries is the day I leave this business. |
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shit I am going ot put "click here to make $$" on every page now. Who the fuck knew people clicked that shit?
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i totally agree with Labret about the ease of entry on the affiliate side of things.
but to say, start a successful paysite tomorrow - these days it's going to cost money, take time and commitment, and require real knowledge of what the fuck you are doing.
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I was an adult bbs sysop, we had FREE porn then too!
When I got on the net in 1990 we had FREE porn on ftp sites. Want to sell a surfer? Consider for awhile why they still buy print magazines even though the net should have killed them long ago.
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I consider my self a old timer now after almost 6 years in this business. i can name you problem that you guys could fix to help you do better.
1. stop spending all your time on This board or other boards 2. get ride of IM if you can use it efficenly. 3. Instead of complaining do something about it 4. Why put work for tomorrow when you can do it today ( that is a major problem, we are in a world that doesn't sleep, adn yet it's hard to get something done by people. 5. Stop looking at the grass to see if it's greener on the other side , focus in your shit. i can go on, but stop for a second and ask yourself how much time you are wasting! Ok now to go party
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I understand the frustration. But really, only 1 out of every 1000 so called webmasters will last. Hell I probably won;t even last. But I gave it a shot. I don;t show too much in my galleries. Just enough to give teh surfer an idea as to whats inside. Hell, if they can manage to jerk off to my galleries I'm doing something wrong.
I wish movie posts would fucking die. Kinda hard to get a sale on a sponsor that says they have movies of the girl inside the members section when the surfer knows full well they can just search that models name on kazaa or go to a movie gallery posts and find the same damn girl but in a movie taking cocks in all available holes. The surfer doesn't care about teh pics he may get inside teh members section, he wants to see the movie. SO kill the fucking movie posts. Sponsors should start stresing more to the webmasters that they cannot use full nudity in galleries or free sites. Just give teh surfer enough to get a wooddy and NEED to get off by paying for a membership. I learned this the hard way. My first dozen gals got fuckall for sponsor clicks because I showed too much and they already blew their load. All my other ones had way less nudity, maybe a few ass shots or boobie shots, nothign more, and I get 1000 times more clicks to sponsors. But still, ony a small amount of sales. Because they know they can go to another tgp and find a fully explicit picture set of that same girl. Places like tinyeve.net need to fuckign die a quick and horrible death. The fucker only accepts pic series with fully explicit sets. |
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Labret is hilarious!
Dacash is totally correct! Quiet has a point... the entry to making REAL money in this biz keeps getting higher not lower. It is easy to get in this game but it takes a lot of money to compete for the real prizes. It's very true that the market is oversaturated with free porn but as long as those galleries and such pays the $700 rent of some 20 year old that would normally be working at the car wash it will never stop. We are gonna have to figure out how to deal with it. The adult biz needs a mafia.
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speaking of no sleep, i woke up yesterday at 11 am and drove 6 hours to get back home, and worked t'ill 11am the today and sleeped about 3 hours this afternoon to be able to party tonight...
If you can't handle it go home
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Ya know if it wasnt for newbies I would of been out of biz along time ago and so would alot of you. But you still want to complain and pick on the new guy, well guess what you were a newb one time. I was told from the beging the day you feel that you are no longer a newbie is the day you should retire.
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Well a newbie who gets a free host account, some sponsor content and an account with Russian Submitter is not likely to do anything now.
Most linksites and tgps that are worth a damn dont even take free hosts submissions. The third worlders that can live like kings on one signup a day are troubling but I assume basic internet access is a stumbling block to many of them as well as English. The people that will survive IMO are the ones that vertically integrate. Own the paysite, build the galleries/freesites/avs and buy traffic for themselves. Selling a good product(paysite) and controlling your own throughput still makes a lot of us a nice living.
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I remember when Adult Check was just getting going and so many surfers were signing up to be webmasters just to get an AC Pass that they could use to surf all AC's sites for free.
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the challenge of providing essential services that more than satisfy the needs of both surfers and webmasters is the key to survival matched with long term growth and profitablity. Bundling of services worked for the telecommunication industry and it works in this industry as well. this is survival of the fittest. i welcome all compettion both new and old. the more competetion the more wise and creative i become. thats why i am called the one.
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