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TheDA 06-17-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Argos88 (Post 17256315)
BTW, is there any way to check if a CCBILL sponsor has rebills or not?

(Besides asking the sponsor...)...

View details of the sponsor you want to check in the tools report inside CCBill.

signupdamnit 06-17-2010 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwood (Post 17255858)
Daizzy's 2nd nick to back himself up?

No.

8char

dmhubby 06-17-2010 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy (Post 17256747)
hey Rob. thank you for getting into this. your program was removed from the list

Much appreciated and if ever you find anything wonky with our program let me know. As I said I'm still learning this side of the biz.

MrDeiz 06-17-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDA (Post 17256871)
How often do you update your list of "every ccbill program" on the site?

we scan upper ccbill ca segment like each 2 months, and once a year the whole ccbill database from the beginning

MPGdevil 06-17-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy (Post 17256770)
none of those programs was listed at Signbucks Daily, they aren't that big so it'll be hard for webmasters to find them. it's rather waste of time than usefulness of making people aware on that - don't you think so?

I have no idea of the size, but if they aren't big anymore as you say it is only good news.
I see the list is also more about amount of rebills and not so much cheat with rebills. So yes you are right and I have tried contact CCbill instead.

Their SpankBuxx sites are listed on Signbucks Daily although all links points to outdated url's. Just a notice if you would like to update those.

http://www.signbucksdaily.com/partne...am/spank_buxx/

BVF 06-17-2010 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 17254427)
Give me a SCREENCAP when you're in the ccbill admin where it gives you the option of lifetime rebills.

ahhhh i didn't read the second part of what you said..I was driving on the expressway at the time.

excash 06-17-2010 06:44 PM

good to know that

BNMedia 06-18-2010 03:37 AM

Femdomdestiny contacted me regarding the Kinky Kicks Affiliate Program and I have adjusted accordingly so re-bills are enabled.
For the record this programme was initially setup not really knowing how cash / affiliate programs work and very little effort has gone into it.
This is all set to change and it will soon be re-launched as a proper Cash Program under a new name with better promotional tools.
Details of this will be made available as and when this happens.

MrDeiz 06-18-2010 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MPGdevil (Post 17258002)
I have no idea of the size, but if they aren't big anymore as you say it is only good news.
I see the list is also more about amount of rebills and not so much cheat with rebills. So yes you are right and I have tried contact CCbill instead.

Their SpankBuxx sites are listed on Signbucks Daily although all links points to outdated url's. Just a notice if you would like to update those.

http://www.signbucksdaily.com/partne...am/spank_buxx/

thx MPGdevil, this's really helpfull. i used to search for spUnk buxx. that program is in trouble for a long time and it should be blacklisted already. i'll prepare the record lately and already removed it from the list

MrDeiz 06-18-2010 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BNMedia (Post 17259525)
Femdomdestiny contacted me regarding the Kinky Kicks Affiliate Program and I have adjusted accordingly so re-bills are enabled.
For the record this programme was initially setup not really knowing how cash / affiliate programs work and very little effort has gone into it.
This is all set to change and it will soon be re-launched as a proper Cash Program under a new name with better promotional tools.
Details of this will be made available as and when this happens.

i did manual check of your profile. from what i see it's still
Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Zero) rebills

please contact ccbill support to get this sorted out

MrDeiz 06-18-2010 04:19 AM

btw i've heard from the 2nd program owner already that they have rebills enabled but ccbill still shows they are not and ccbill support has no clue what's going on.

Supz 06-18-2010 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfecto Dollars (Post 17254047)
Maybe you should take off PERFECTO from that list. Its PPS...
The PPS program pays 1 time. like any PPS program does.

The revshare have been paying webmasters since the day we opened in 2003.

He did mention in the start of the thread that some of the programs might be pps or some might not be with ccbill anymore and some might just be not paying rebills. He left it up to us to check. He did state this pretty clearly.

~Ray 06-18-2010 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfecto Dollars (Post 17254047)
Maybe you should take off PERFECTO from that list. Its PPS...
The PPS program pays 1 time. like any PPS program does.

The revshare have been paying webmasters since the day we opened in 2003.

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17254454)
Perfecto is right. Some of those are PPS.

I check it sometimes in ccbill, because it can also be set individual. But then I also check if its PPS. CCBill should send emails if something is changed, IMO.

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Originally Posted by pinupglam (Post 17254460)
We pay on ALL our rebills. All the time. 100%. Without fail.

Yes, we switched to NATS but every single rebill we have and do goes through NATS, including all rebills that were from initial transactions that came before we made the switch. Any of you who are affiliates can check your stats and check your bi-monthly payouts you get from us and you can verify that is the case.

I don't know why or how we got on that list, but whatever the reason it is a pure fabrication. We haven't been in business for 12 years pulling BS like that and I personally really resent someone coming on here, putting our name on some blacklist with zero evidence to back up any of what they are saying.

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Originally Posted by pinupglam (Post 17254517)
The problem is, a lot of people aren't reading that part of it and are just assuming that it's all true. We've already been getting pissed off emails from affiliates asking what's going on thanks solely to this thread.

Publishing an unverified blacklist and following it up with a fine print disclaimer that reads "this list may not be accurate" is bullshit.


You people should learn to read.

That is simply a list of ccbill programs that have rebills turned off. OF COURSE the PPS programs are going to be on that list because PPS does not have rebills...DUH!.

But, that is not what it is for. He posted the list so you can see if a NON PPS sponsor (aka Rev Share) is on the list. If so, THEN there is a problem... and judging from this thread, 2 webmasters have already found rev share programs on that list.

If you are a rev share program.. and you are on that list... you are stealing from your affiliates.

If you are a PPS sponsor and are on that list... well, DUH!

MrDeiz 06-18-2010 06:28 AM

MCTCash removed from the list that's his situation. now i see unlimited rebills from my back-end

Marlboro (16:10:15 18/06/2010)
there's a mess with their groups

Marlboro (16:11:31 18/06/2010)
there's main group where webmasters gets by default and all settings set for program apply for this group - it's like everything initially is fine

Marlboro (16:13:56 18/06/2010)
then programs start creating new groups (i.e. for dispatching news as it's done at CCBill) and when aff account is being moved to another group here comes drop of rebill settings, and revshare % kinda remains
once affiliate checks his option it's shows like everything is off and program thinks that basic settings where everything is right remained

Marlboro (16:14:21 18/06/2010)
when program checks its stats affiliate rebills are displayed correct

Marlboro (16:14:34 18/06/2010)
this issue webmaster spots only on his side

Marlboro (16:15:38 18/06/2010)
now i've set every group settings like they are for the main one, where affiliate gets after registration

tonyparra 06-18-2010 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Ray (Post 17259770)
You people should learn to read.

That is simply a list of ccbill programs that have rebills turned off. OF COURSE the PPS programs are going to be on that list because PPS does not have rebills...DUH!.

But, that is not what it is for. He posted the list so you can see if a NON PPS sponsor (aka Rev Share) is on the list. If so, THEN there is a problem... and judging from this thread, 2 webmasters have already found rev share programs on that list.

If you are a rev share program.. and you are on that list... you are stealing from your affiliates.

If you are a PPS sponsor and are on that list... well, DUH!

I have seen quite a few revshare programs on there that i have tried to promote...I have no problem with this list...People who dont like this guy just dont give him a chance, its like they put their fingers in their ears and say nahahahahahahahah poo poo :)

tombarr 06-18-2010 08:35 PM

This was brought to our attention by a concerned webmaster who emailed us after noticing that our program was advertising unlimited rebills for affiliates yet in his CCBill Affiliate Tools Admin area our program showed as rebills being turned off. Some initial checking on our part showed that our affiliate recurring settings were and always have been set to allow affiliates credit for rebills. We also checked our accounting in CCbill, and affiliates WERE getting credit and being paid for all recurring sales, so whatever was causing this inaccurate information to be displayed was NOT affecting actual affiliate credit for rebills. We then contacted CCBill to find out what is causing this information to be displayed incorrectly.

After some digging around with CCBill, it appears that there is some disconnect in CCBill between what is set in the Affiliate Setup area at the subaccount level, and any changes to grouping settings that are made to the account as a whole after the initial subaccount settings are made. This issue causes the Affiliate Tools listing for the program / site to inaccurately show the correct affiliate rebilling setting. So even if the account actually has rebilling credit for affiliates turned on at the individual subaccount setup area, if any changes to account grouping have been made, this information can actually display incorrectly for affiliates. One of our sites, Asian Cock Stars.com appears on this list, even though in our Affiliate setup area, we have always given affiliates credit for all rebills.

Working with CCBill on the webmaster chat tool in their admin, we were able to get this misalignment corrected so that our program does in fact show the correct information in the Affiliate Tools area.

I have further contacted Daizzzy at Sign Bucks Daily, requesting the removal of our site from this list.

TheDA 06-19-2010 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tombarr (Post 17262162)
This was brought to our attention by a concerned webmaster who emailed us after noticing that our program was advertising unlimited rebills for affiliates yet in his CCBill Affiliate Tools Admin area our program showed as rebills being turned off. Some initial checking on our part showed that our affiliate recurring settings were and always have been set to allow affiliates credit for rebills. We also checked our accounting in CCbill, and affiliates WERE getting credit and being paid for all recurring sales, so whatever was causing this inaccurate information to be displayed was NOT affecting actual affiliate credit for rebills. We then contacted CCBill to find out what is causing this information to be displayed incorrectly.

After some digging around with CCBill, it appears that there is some disconnect in CCBill between what is set in the Affiliate Setup area at the subaccount level, and any changes to grouping settings that are made to the account as a whole after the initial subaccount settings are made. This issue causes the Affiliate Tools listing for the program / site to inaccurately show the correct affiliate rebilling setting. So even if the account actually has rebilling credit for affiliates turned on at the individual subaccount setup area, if any changes to account grouping have been made, this information can actually display incorrectly for affiliates. One of our sites, Asian Cock Stars.com appears on this list, even though in our Affiliate setup area, we have always given affiliates credit for all rebills.

Working with CCBill on the webmaster chat tool in their admin, we were able to get this misalignment corrected so that our program does in fact show the correct information in the Affiliate Tools area.

I have further contacted Daizzzy at Sign Bucks Daily, requesting the removal of our site from this list.

I'm guessing that whilst yours was still working positively for affiliates and they were getting credit, it could go the other way.

Changes could be made the other way and the affiliates would never notice other than getting no rebills. :(

MrDeiz 06-19-2010 03:42 AM

thx tombarr

Now i see
Trial Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills

for your program, it's removed from the list

MrDeiz 06-19-2010 03:45 AM

CCBill explain the situation which was described by Marlboro from my icq log and tombarr. is there a way to get it fixed? or what should owners do to fix it on their own if there's no way to fix it on your side?

MPGdevil 06-19-2010 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daizzzy (Post 17259574)
thx MPGdevil, this's really helpfull. i used to search for spUnk buxx. that program is in trouble for a long time and it should be blacklisted already. i'll prepare the record lately and already removed it from the list

Np :thumbsup

MrDeiz 06-20-2010 02:04 AM

that's a mail i got from DreamNetCash
I've checked the info and it's right. the program is removed from the list

Dear Daizzzy,

The Dreamnet Specials Affiliate program is on your list. I have fixed it to 50/50 revshare with recurring. It was honestly an oversight.

We have Several Affiliates running through DreamnetCash.com and I have double checked them and they are all 50/50 reshare with recurring payments.

I am sorry for the confusion it was an honest oversight on our legacy Affiliate Program 932302-0000 but all our new programs 932302-0600 - 0603 have been 50/50 rev share with recurring since the beginning.

If you have any questions please let me know.

Zoligirls 06-21-2010 02:09 PM

Just as i posted on legmaster, Thank you.
 
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Originally Posted by onlytease (Post 17251711)
That is a very interesting list, and 3 programmes we are affilaites off (zoligirls, ms britt, cate cash) that are on his list, he is 100% correct, they do not offer rebills. And Zologirls on their site talk about 60% payout plus rebills - so thank you for a good list - very interesting reading :)

Dear Client, Zoli Zoligirls

This email is being sent as a follow up summary regarding the phone conversation we had earlier today.

You had reported that some of your affiliates were complaining that they were not receiving payments on rebills. I found this to be true and accurate on the large majority of your affiliates (393 total) who were a member of the "ZoligirlsCash" affiliate group (Affiliates > Setup > Grouping) were set to not receive payments on rebills. Per your request I have modified the payment settings for all members of the group to receive payments for rebills. Your affiliates will begin receiving credit for any rebill transactions that occur after the these settings were changed. In summary, all current affiliates and newly registering affiliates will receive payments on both the initial and recurring transactions unless further changes are made.

If you have any further questions please let me know.

Thank You,

CCBill Client Support
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 800.510.2859
Support Center:

Please forgive my ignorance in this matter as i had no idea that ccbill had different grouping for Zoligirls and Zoligirlscash. I had gone through this with Chris and CCBILL about 6 months ego when he told me he was not getting paid on re-billing and CCBILL told me that it was resolved and I took their word for it, I had a few people test it and it all came back as a working pay out. Thanks especially to Paul for bringing this to my attention. And please take note that this was not done in a pre-mediated manner.
With Regards
Zoli

MrDeiz 06-22-2010 07:27 AM

thx Zoli

good to see you have fixed that

your program is removed from the list


btw too bad CCBill is unwilling to help in resolving this thing. i've icqed Paul with link to this post, but he ignored it

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Originally Posted by daizzzy (Post 17262596)
CCBill explain the situation which was described by Marlboro from my icq log and tombarr. is there a way to get it fixed? or what should owners do to fix it on their own if there's no way to fix it on your side?

ok CCBill, just another record in my book how you treat your clients.

other things about you:
- too big billing fees;
- outdated aff back-end;
- unwilling to fix issues (i mean from practical side);

too bad there's no good alternative atm

Zoligirls 06-22-2010 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daizzzy (Post 17269221)
thx Zoli

good to see you have fixed that

your program is removed from the list


btw too bad CCBill is unwilling to help in resolving this thing. i've icqed Paul with link to this post, but he ignored it



ok CCBill, just another record in my book how you treat your clients.

other things about you:
- too big billing fees;
- outdated aff back-end;
- unwilling to fix issues (i mean from practical side);

too bad there's no good alternative atm

Yeah i pm him twice and left him even a thank you for letting me know I guess his quick at throwing people under the bus. ahh well i did what i had to do and fix the stuff on my end.. Thank you..

RyuLion 06-23-2010 08:44 AM

back to top..important..

MrDeiz 06-24-2010 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RyuLion (Post 17272579)
back to top..important..

nice to see more programs are fixing that

icymelon 06-24-2010 01:25 AM

jesus my top converting sponsor is on there. and sure enough 0 rebills so far. and I talk to the owner almost everyday

MrDeiz 06-28-2010 11:48 PM

please check if programs you promote are there and contact the owner to get it fixed
a dozen of programs have fixed that thing already

V_RocKs 06-29-2010 02:30 PM

I love this.... every program on the list is well... strange... Well most anyway... The content on the sites kind of gives away that the sites owner might not be all that.

V_RocKs 06-29-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoligirls (Post 17271300)
Yeah i pm him twice and left him even a thank you for letting me know I guess his quick at throwing people under the bus. ahh well i did what i had to do and fix the stuff on my end.. Thank you..

22 seconds to load your site and I am on FIOS... 25mb/25mb connection. You need a new hosting company.

MrDeiz 06-30-2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 17289128)
I love this.... every program on the list is well... strange... Well most anyway... The content on the sites kind of gives away that the sites owner might not be all that.

only stand up common sense guys run xxx biz :upsidedow

bbobby86 06-30-2010 09:09 AM

bump bump...

crazytrini85 06-30-2010 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by daizzzy (Post 17251156)
So this list is very raw. Some programs pay PPS, so it's ok if that option is off, some are gone. We don't have enough time to check it on our own, so it's up to you guys

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

While I somewhat applaud when you are trying to do, you DONT list a company that may be legit and try to get them on a shit list without fucking proof to make such a claim.

You DONT make a "raw list" and let everyone else figure it out.

WTF?

First you gave out passwords to members areas you had. Then you picked fights with companies. Now you are listing companies as being shady that may be legit due to PPS.

Amateur hour. :2 cents:

MrDeiz 06-30-2010 12:28 PM

trololololllll

MrDeiz 07-07-2010 12:47 PM

just got it from WayOut Sites

Hi there,

I believe I've fixed this. CCbills admin pannel is a total rat's nest
of options. I'd appreciate it if you could remove me from the no
rebills list.

Thanks

Marek

I've checked it and it appears:
Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills Recurring Subscriptions: Payments for Rebills End After: (Unlimited) rebills

the program is removed from that list.
please contact others from that list and let's have this resolved (that's actually the idea of that list)

Tanker 07-07-2010 01:56 PM

Daizzzy is doing a good thing here some programs are on the list that are PPS but there are a lot that have issues and since many program owners don't know how to setup a program initially this is good that they get pointed out many of them are getting fixed quickly!

I deal with new program owners every day and I can tell you many of them do not know how to set up their CCBill program. I have walked at least 2 dozen new program owners through their CCBill setup.

Many people that start programs have the skill to produce their content but they do not possess the skills or knowledge to get their program opened up. Part of what we do at CCBTools is hand hold program owners through the process.

If any of you need help with your setup just hit me up I would gladly help you out.

Pics Traffic 07-07-2010 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 17254633)
listen clearly you deluded piece of shit

NOBODY GIVES A FUCK HOW YOU COMPILED THE FUCKING LIST - IT DOESNT MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cannot make negative accusations about peoples business's here without providing proof ? Do you understand that you fucking village dwelling idiot ??

Analogy that even a moron like you could understand.

How about I start a thread "all these sites are all involved in CP"!!!!!!!!!

it is an automated list and my programmer is new so after I posted the thread on gfy thinking I was a big fucking hero we find out that some of the sites have nothing to do with CP. Meanwhile hundreds of people have seen my thread and looked at the list.

SO thats ok according to your fucked up head is it ? I just apologise and remove them from the list and everything goes back to normal ? Is that how it works you fuckin imbecile ?

christ you are a smug little shit


Its in CCBill admin area.
I had to drop few programs myself when I saw that BS.

icymelon 07-07-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Happypeekers (Post 17254304)
Pinup Dollars pays on ALL rebills. We did recently switch to nats but that in no way means that we are now not paying out our rebills. We have been in business for 12 years because of good business :-)

:thumbsup:thumbsup


I looked up pinupdollars and they rebill better than most my other sponsors. Is it possible that list is not accurate?

opflix 07-07-2010 10:42 PM

excellent post.... for those who can read and aren't alarmists, this makes perfect sense. wake up and check who you're promoting as things aren't always as they seem. thanks for opening eyes, daizzzy

Realgfs 07-07-2010 11:56 PM

Dawm. That list is sick.. Thanks for the good work guys


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