Fraud: My bank, Visa or PSWBilling? - GoFuckYourself.com

PrettyCarla · 01-02-2003, 08:34 AM

I am unexperienced with banking, hope you will read this horror story and help me what to do now:

I ordered DVD with my Visa card at some internet shop. Shopper used PSWBilling to bill my credit card. After few days i got message from shopper and psw that transaction was declined because of credit card number error. I checked the number i gave them and called to my card issuing bank. It is the biggest bank in our country. They told that there was no error and transaction was accepted, my $40 was transferred. So i am without payment, shopper is without payment and this situation lasts already 50 days!

PSWBilling is telling transaction was rejected by visa, visa blocked payment but did not take it. It is my bank who blocks my funds. They are sure and are talking that transaction reports from my bank i am showing them only prove that funds are blocked.

My issuing bank is telling transaction was accepted, visa took funds and sent it to merchant bank. They are sure that PSWBilling shaves or its bank block it for unknown reason. They sent me many complicated papers where are details of transaction, i do not understand all items but there is stated transaction approved and they are telling they have this transaction in list of outgoing transfers to visa.

I thought that it could be easy solved if i ask directly visa: Is my bank right or PSWBilling? But both sides told me that it is impossible to contact Visa, because they have no customer support. Both sides are telling they have sufficient proofs they are right if i take legal action agains them. And of course, there is also possible that it is visa who is holding my funds. They could send different results to my bank and psw and keep my funds laughing to our faces!

How to solve this situation? Shall i leave $40 to thief without searching who it is? My bank offers to charge back for reason goods not delivered. They do not know reason Merchant did not received funds because they are telling it is impossible! Hard to say what happens but i risc that the chargeback fee will pay the shopper, only one person who is really innocent, because psw billing states they did not pay him. And i risc that PSW will add me to negative database and share it with other processors.

Can anybody here tell me what to do to find the truth? Any possibility how to contact visa or how to sue them? Because if i would go to the court i would start with visa. But they seem to be anywhere and nowhere...

p1mpdogg · 01-02-2003, 08:39 AM

what dvd did you buy?

heh

PrettyCarla · 01-02-2003, 09:44 AM

Something from dvdempire.com, daria or so, not important compare to loosing money that way.

playa · 01-02-2003, 09:46 AM

its really simple

CHARGEBACK

Kick Ass Chat · 01-02-2003, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
its really simple

CHARGEBACK

Agreed

Since you did NOT recieve the product you ordered, then Charge it back, and let the banks, and processors battle it out.

buran · 01-02-2003, 10:05 AM

It is quite possible to contact VISA, start at visa.com and search for contact info for your non-english speaking country.

Also, you're a customer of the bank, so if they don't help you to resolve this problem, threaten to drop your account with them and move to a new bank. If that doesn't help, then find a new bank.

playa · 01-02-2003, 10:25 AM

VISA has nothing to do with it,, there just a service provider

your bank/credit card company is the one you need to contact,

your allowed to dispute any charges that you didn't make
and they can't make you pay for it without an investigation

jimmyf · 01-02-2003, 10:37 AM

1st tell the company that you order the DVD from... you are going 2 CHARGEBACK if you don't get your money *TODAY* and go down 2 your Bank and Tell'm you want 2 talk too the Mgr. if ou have 2 wait then wait, if the Mgr. is busy tell'm you will *WAIT* Go 2 the bank even if you get your money back from company you order DVD from and talk 2 the Mgr. Get something FREE from them like a FREE month of checking any thing but ask for something.

multisexsite · 01-02-2003, 11:17 AM

I think Visa just needs your $40

PrettyCarla · 01-02-2003, 11:22 AM

What is the reason why i am not sure if charge back? Because i am scared that PSW will not look at this case, but pays and disable me from all payments with them forever. Somebody described similar situation with CCBill.

Bank will charge back if i give order, no problem here.

PrettyCarla · 01-02-2003, 12:45 PM

Thanks for advices, i have found email address askvisa [at]visa.com, so i will email them and wait several days if they answer.

01-02-2003, 08:34 AM	#1
PrettyCarla Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 144	Fraud: My bank, Visa or PSWBilling? I am unexperienced with banking, hope you will read this horror story and help me what to do now: I ordered DVD with my Visa card at some internet shop. Shopper used PSWBilling to bill my credit card. After few days i got message from shopper and psw that transaction was declined because of credit card number error. I checked the number i gave them and called to my card issuing bank. It is the biggest bank in our country. They told that there was no error and transaction was accepted, my $40 was transferred. So i am without payment, shopper is without payment and this situation lasts already 50 days! PSWBilling is telling transaction was rejected by visa, visa blocked payment but did not take it. It is my bank who blocks my funds. They are sure and are talking that transaction reports from my bank i am showing them only prove that funds are blocked. My issuing bank is telling transaction was accepted, visa took funds and sent it to merchant bank. They are sure that PSWBilling shaves or its bank block it for unknown reason. They sent me many complicated papers where are details of transaction, i do not understand all items but there is stated transaction approved and they are telling they have this transaction in list of outgoing transfers to visa. I thought that it could be easy solved if i ask directly visa: Is my bank right or PSWBilling? But both sides told me that it is impossible to contact Visa, because they have no customer support. Both sides are telling they have sufficient proofs they are right if i take legal action agains them. And of course, there is also possible that it is visa who is holding my funds. They could send different results to my bank and psw and keep my funds laughing to our faces! How to solve this situation? Shall i leave $40 to thief without searching who it is? My bank offers to charge back for reason goods not delivered. They do not know reason Merchant did not received funds because they are telling it is impossible! Hard to say what happens but i risc that the chargeback fee will pay the shopper, only one person who is really innocent, because psw billing states they did not pay him. And i risc that PSW will add me to negative database and share it with other processors. Can anybody here tell me what to do to find the truth? Any possibility how to contact visa or how to sue them? Because if i would go to the court i would start with visa. But they seem to be anywhere and nowhere...

01-02-2003, 08:39 AM	#2
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	what dvd did you buy? heh __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

01-02-2003, 10:05 AM	#6
buran Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: how'd I get here? Posts: 264	It is quite possible to contact VISA, start at visa.com and search for contact info for your non-english speaking country. Also, you're a customer of the bank, so if they don't help you to resolve this problem, threaten to drop your account with them and move to a new bank. If that doesn't help, then find a new bank. __________________ [this signature intentionally left blank]

01-02-2003, 10:37 AM	#8
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	1st tell the company that you order the DVD from... you are going 2 CHARGEBACK if you don't get your money TODAY and go down 2 your Bank and Tell'm you want 2 talk too the Mgr. if ou have 2 wait then wait, if the Mgr. is busy tell'm you will WAIT Go 2 the bank even if you get your money back from company you order DVD from and talk 2 the Mgr. Get something FREE from them like a FREE month of checking any thing but ask for something. __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

01-02-2003, 09:44 AM	#3
PrettyCarla Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 144	Something from dvdempire.com, daria or so, not important compare to loosing money that way.

01-02-2003, 09:46 AM	#4
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	its really simple CHARGEBACK

01-02-2003, 10:25 AM	#7
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	VISA has nothing to do with it,, there just a service provider your bank/credit card company is the one you need to contact, your allowed to dispute any charges that you didn't make and they can't make you pay for it without an investigation

01-02-2003, 11:17 AM	#9
multisexsite Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 929	I think Visa just needs your $40

01-02-2003, 11:22 AM	#10
PrettyCarla Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 144	What is the reason why i am not sure if charge back? Because i am scared that PSW will not look at this case, but pays and disable me from all payments with them forever. Somebody described similar situation with CCBill. Bank will charge back if i give order, no problem here.

01-02-2003, 12:45 PM	#11
PrettyCarla Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 144	Thanks for advices, i have found email address askvisa [at]visa.com, so i will email them and wait several days if they answer.